EYK gets serious, talks about driving + Entertainment industry in Korea + Ladies Code

[gno]

 

like the fact that even if their employees have the sniffles they tell them to stay home ~

 

RIP Eunb & Rise once more as well.

[Rabbit]

I'm glad that they opened up this subject. I was expecting them to make a video about this incident.

 

RIP EunB and RiSe 

[kinjiki]

go home white devils and keep your nose out of matters beyond ur comprehension!!!!!!

[gno]

go home white devils and keep your nose out of matters beyond ur comprehension!!!!!!

 

*sigh*

[TMI]

They made good points, but they missed the main point. In THIS particular accident, the make of the car was what yielded the tragic results that it did. When you're in entertainment, whether it be the theater industry, the movie industry, the music industry all over the world, you do not have regular hours. I've gone home after 12am on more than one occasion, and that's rather mild. MANY people go home far later than that. Or at 12am, the cast decides that they want to run through again. For movies, sometimes people have to get to the set for sunrise to do certain scenes. People can't stay at the theater or in the auditorium. Artists are on their tour buses all night to make it to another state. This does not mean that you're being overworked by the way, it's just that workers in that industry don't have regular hours. You do day shows, evening shows and night shows. I agree that idols are overworked, I just don't think it fit in this video. 

 

I feel equally bad for the person who rented the car, because they probably didn't know about the car's poor construction. Even if the girls were not wearing seat belts, no one should have died or been near death. Also, the driver should have been more careful, but it's iffy whether or not the driver was doing a poor job. In any case, on a wet road, you cannot drive as you normally do.

[Eric Sogard's Glasses]

Too bad they completely missed the main talking points, and how the idol industry was one of the main factors. But of course, why does it matter when EYK directly profits from it? 

go home white devils and keep your nose out of matters beyond ur comprehension!!!!!!

Sounds par for the course for an EYK thread. 

[DragonFury]

They made good points, but they missed the main point. In THIS particular accident, the make of the car was what yielded the tragic results that it did. When you're in entertainment, whether it be the theater industry, the movie industry, the music industry all over the world, you do not have regular hours. I've gone home after 12am on more than one occasion, and that's rather mild. MANY people go home far later than that. Or at 12am, the cast decides that they want to run through again. For movies, sometimes people have to get to the set for sunrise to do certain scenes. People can't stay at the theater or in the auditorium. Artists are on their tour buses all night to make it to another state. This does not mean that you're being overworked by the way, it's just that workers in that industry don't have regular hours. I agree that idols are overworked, I just don't think it fit in this video. 

 

I feel equally bad for the person who rented the car, because they probably didn't know about the car's poor construction. Even if the girls were not wearing seat belts, no one should have died or been near death. Also, the driver should have been more careful, but it's iffy whether or not the driver was doing a poor job. In any case, on a wet road, you cannot drive as you normally do.

I haven't watched the video yet but I'd like to throw in my two cents regarding your POV. The make of the car in this accident was a contributing factor but it's not the cause of the accident. For that you need to see the whole picture of the attitude of the K-pop companies towards their artists and Korean culture as a whole towards road safety. We've heard stories all the time about idols being driving around by exhausted, over-worked managers driving through dangerous conditions trying to meet a schedule that's would be tight even under perfect conditions. And how many times have we seen in car footage of idols sitting in the back without wearing any seatbelts? Worst of all, these are considered normal are accepted as a necessary risk to take.

 

And it's not that no-one in the industry realized these dangers, everybody knew an accident like this was going to happen but not one company has taken even the slightest steps to prevent it happening to them. That's what really pisses me off and its also something makes me loath your analysis of the accident. I worry that people are just going to say "Oh, it was the car that was crappy, just don't use that car" when in fact the attitude of the entire industry towards the safety of their employees needs to change drastically. Because if it doesn't it's only a matter of time before some other idols is going to end up dead. 

[dopamine]

Too bad they completely missed the main talking points, and how the idol industry was one of the main factors. But of course, why does it matter when EYK directly profits from it? 

 

Sounds par for the course for an EYK thread. 

 

They did address the idol industry though.

[timpa]

 

Sounds like they decided on a narrative which applies to other accidents, but not this one.

[TMI]

I haven't watched the video yet but I'd like to throw in my two cents regarding your POV. The make of the car in this accident was a contributing factor but it's not the cause of the accident. For that you need to see the whole picture of the attitude of the K-pop companies towards their artists and Korean culture as a whole towards road safety. We've heard stories all the time about idols being driving around by exhausted, over-worked managers driving through dangerous conditions trying to meet a schedule that's would be tight even under perfect conditions. And how many times have we seen in car footage of idols sitting in the back without wearing any seatbelts? Worst of all, these are considered normal are accepted as a necessary risk to take.

 

And it's not that no-one in the industry realized these dangers, everybody knew an accident like this was going to happen but not one company has taken even the slightest steps to prevent it happening to them. That's what really pisses me off and its also something makes me loath your analysis of the accident. I worry that people are just going to say "Oh, it was the car that was crappy, just don't use that car" when in fact the attitude of the entire industry towards the safety of their employees needs to change drastically. Because if it doesn't it's only a matter of time before some other idols is going to end up dead. 

I heard the wheel came off. I also heard that they were going home or to celebrate after a schedule. 

 

I agree with you on the road safety part, that's why I added the last bit. People take the road for a joke, when it's the most dangerous place. And my point was not "just don't use that car", I was saying that the end result would not have been so tragic had the car been of a better make. Not just idols die on the roads in Korea. If it's a road safety issue where adults and young people who are old enough to know better are not taking enough care whether they are passengers or drivers of course, since idols are first and foremost people, they will also share these attitudes. To make it about idols, when Korea as a whole doesn't take road safety seriously and it will obviously extend to idols is a little......

 

I thought this was very clear. 

[park sooyoung]

do people like them......

[Eric Sogard's Glasses]

 

And it's not that no-one in the industry realized these dangers, everybody knew an accident like this was going to happen but not one company has taken even the slightest steps to prevent it happening to them. That's what really pisses me off and its also something makes me loath your analysis of the accident. I worry that people are just going to say "Oh, it was the car that was crappy, just don't use that car" when in fact the attitude of the entire industry towards the safety of their employees needs to change drastically. Because if it doesn't it's only a matter of time before some other idols is going to end up dead.

This is it. This is why nothing will happen. People will lay blame on the van and it's safety record, and not the fact that every company from the Big 3 down to the start ups treat their employees and idols like complete dirt. And then this cycle will continue.

 

I'm frankly sick and tired of people basically shutting down any type of serious discussion on this topic under the bullshit guise of "mourning". It's time to raise the issue to the forefront.

[TMI]

 

This is it. This is why nothing will happen. People will lay blame on the van and it's safety record, and not the fact that every company from the Big 3 down to the start ups treat their employees and idols like complete dirt. And then this cycle will continue.

 

I'm frankly sick and tired of people basically shutting down any type of serious discussion on this topic under the bullshit guise of "mourning". It's time to raise the issue to the forefront.

No one is saying that is not an issue, I am saying that is not the SALIENT or RELEVANT issue. I'm not saying they can't go into into how actors and artists are back at work shortly after an accident, but in THIS particular accident, that was not the issue. There are several opportunities to discuss this issue, you can even relate that issue to this accident. But it is not the main issue here. You don't facilitate intelligent discussions about the issue by making it the main issue in a place where it doesn't really belong.  And what you're doing right now will help to take attention off the fact that certain companies are making faulty products and putting people in danger. 

[Eric Sogard's Glasses]

No one is saying that is not an issue, I am saying that is not the SALIENT or RELEVANT issue. I'm not saying they can't go into into how actors and artists are back at work shortly after an accident, but in THIS particular accident, that was not the issue. There are several opportunities to discuss this issue, you can even relate that issue to this accident. But it is not the main issue here.

Quit with the moral bullshit and realize it IS a relevant issue. At the very least, most European and American film and music companies hire drivers to shuttle their stars, or at the very least tell them to go to sleep. When was the last time we has something like this in the West?

[TMI]

Quit with the moral bullshit and realize it IS a relevant issue. At the very least, most European and American film and music companies hire drivers to shuttle their stars, or at the very least tell them to go to sleep. When was the last time we has something like this in the West?

 

Moral bullshit? Didn't a wheel fall off the car and the car subsequently ran into a wall or bar? Did the manager do that? How about we talk about the facts?

[DragonFury]

No one is saying that is not an issue, I am saying that is not the SALIENT or RELEVANT issue. I'm not saying they can't go into into how actors and artists are back at work shortly after an accident, but in THIS particular accident, that was not the issue. There are several opportunities to discuss this issue, you can even relate that issue to this accident. But it is not the main issue here. 

YES. IT. FUCKING. IS.

 

I completely understand a TV shoot or talk show with dozens of employees on it can't come grinding to a halt because a single person was in an accident. But there is a complete lack of effort on the part of entertainment companies to prevent accidents from happening that bothers. How this particular accident happened is irrelevant to that notion. Even simple things like wear a seat belt in the back or hiring a professional drivers who can take a rest while the idols performs are completely ignored even when people are literally dying. Both of these things are really fucking simple to accomplish, and the first doesn't even cost any money but neither have been implemented by even a single company.

[Eric Sogard's Glasses]

Moral bullshit? Didn't a wheel fall off the car and the car subsequently ran into a wall or bar? Did the manager do that? How about we talk about the facts?

The wheel did indeed fall off. But don't like it was entirely to blame when we can prove the manager was being forced to speed in a rain storm, on a dark and wet road no less, to make their next appearance.

 

YES. IT. FUCKING. IS.

 

I completely understand a TV shoot or talk show with dozens of employees on it can't come grinding to a halt because a single person was in an accident. But there is a complete lack of effort on the part of entertainment companies to prevent accidents from happening that bothers. How this particular accident happened is irrelevant to that notion. Even simple things like wear a seat belt in the back or hiring a professional drivers who can take a rest while the idols performs are completely ignored even when people are literally dying. Both of these things are really fucking simple to accomplish, and the first doesn't even cost any money but neither have been implemented by even a single company.

Leave this fucker alone. He seems to believe it isn't, and he's set in his ways.

[TMI]

 

YES. IT. FUCKING. IS.

 

I completely understand a TV shoot or talk show with dozens of employees on it can't come grinding to a halt because a single person was in an accident. But there is a complete lack of effort on the part of entertainment companies to prevent accidents from happening that bothers. How this particular accident happened is irrelevant to that notion. Even simple things like wear a seat belt in the back or hiring a professional drivers who can take a rest while the idols performs are completely ignored even when people are literally dying. Both of these things are really fucking simple to accomplish, and the first doesn't even cost any money but neither have been implemented by even a single company.

Did that cause the accident? Can a tired manager take the back wheel off the car? As I said in my original comment, maybe the driving was a factor, but it's iffy, since nothing to that effect has come forward. What has come forward is that the back wheel fell off the car and that Hyundai starex vehicles are generally unsafe. So either they made the car badly, or the person who repaired the car (if it needed repairs) did a very poor job. Since was it the companies' responsibility to tell grown people to wear a seatbealt? EVERYONE should be wearing seat belts at all times, but as was said in the video, Korea doesn't seem to take this very seriously. That's not unique to companies. I'm 120% sure that similar accidents like these happen all the time to non celebs.

 

 

The wheel did indeed fall off. But don't like it was entirely to blame when we can prove the manager was being forced to speed in a rain storm, on a dark and wet road no less, to make their next appearance.

 

Leave this fucker alone. He seems to believe it isn't, and he's set in his ways.

 

Some reports say they were going to another schedule, and others say that they were going home (or for a celebration) after completing a schedule. The back wheel of a car, if properly made, should not come off even if you are speeding (which, we have yet to prove). Are you Hyundai's rep? You need to be fired.

[Eric Sogard's Glasses]

Some reports say they were going to another schedule, and others say that they were going home (or for a celebration) after completing a schedule. The back wheel of a car, if properly made, should not come off even if you are speeding (which, we have yet to prove).  Are you Hyundai's rep? You need to be fired. 

 

when you can not throw around the shill accusations you can come back to the adults table 

[TMI]

 

when you can not throw around the shill accusations you can come back to the adults table 

 

Is this your idea of an argument? Adults table? Oh, you're hiding under there. Be careful, you might get kicked. 

[Eric Sogard's Glasses]

Is this your idea of an argument? Adults table? Oh, you're hiding under there. 

Eyyyyy, there's what I was looking for. 

 

You're a fucking waste of time. I'm done with this. 

[TMI]

Eyyyyy, there's what I was looking for. 

 

You're a fucking waste of time. I'm done with this. 

Be careful, the adults may be able to hear you under there. 

[DragonFury]

 

Did that cause the accident? Can a tired manager take the back wheel off the car? As I said in my original comment, maybe the driving was a factor, but it's iffy, since nothing to that effect has come forward. What has come forward is that the back wheel fell off the car and that Hyundai starex vehicles are generally unsafe. So either they made the car badly, or the person who repaired the car (if it needed repairs) did a very poor job. Since was it the companies' responsibility to tell grown people to wear a seatbealt? EVERYONE should be wearing seat belts at all times, but as was said in the video, Korea doesn't seem to take this very seriously. That's not unique to companies. I'm 120% sure that similar accidents like these happen all the time to non celebs.

What you seem to lack is a fundamental ignorance of why accidents happen and how it relates to the effects of accidents. Yes, the direct cause of the accident might not have been the result of the general disregard for employee safety in the K-pop industry. But the effects of the accident could have been mitigated by even a basic effort from the company to ensure the safety of their employees. Which brings me to my next point:

 

Yes, it's the companies responsibility to tell their idols to wear seatbelts. In every civilized country in the world companies are responsible for the well-being and the safety of their employees. It's why I work in an office that has an entire department devoted to health and safety. In fact, it's the reason the entire concept of health and safety even exists. And the fact remains; companies in the K-pop industry are ignored or flat refusing their responsibility towards their employees by not taking proper steps to ensure their safety.

 

 

Be careful, the adults may be able to hear you under there.

If you worked in my company you'd be fired and probably face some legal repercussions for your attitude towards safety.

[TMI]

If you worked in my company you'd be fired and probably face some legal repercussions for your attitude towards safety.

Nope, because if you read my original comment, I clearly said that you cannot drive as you normally do in the rain, and I said in another comment that everyone ought to wear seatbelts. What do you do in this company? It is clear that you have reading comprehension issues. Or is your company Hyundai?

[Remus]

 

This is it. This is why nothing will happen. People will lay blame on the van and it's safety record, and not the fact that every company from the Big 3 down to the start ups treat their employees and idols like complete dirt. And then this cycle will continue.

 

I'm frankly sick and tired of people basically shutting down any type of serious discussion on this topic under the bullshit guise of "mourning". It's time to raise the issue to the forefront.

 

What? Seriously, how can you not blame the van when the freaking back wheel came off the damn van?! No matter who is driving or who is in the car, idols or anybody else, a car isn't supposed to just start falling apart if you have to swerve to miss something. The airbags didn't deploy either. If both of those two things didn't happen then those two girls would still be here, regardless of other real or imagined issues in the music industry.

 

People always look for someone to blame in a tragedy, but you saying "companies treat their idols like dirt" and blaming these deaths on that is a ridiculous conflation of completely separate, much broader issue and the known facts of the incident.