Boadicea 2,129 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) It's weird how Hoya wasn't even in the pic but he got to be in the main character list (wiki) while Haeryung who was in the pic, didn't. Wiki is unreliable. Hoya was never even said to be a main character, and it's up in the air whether he'll be a guest appearance or an actual side character. Haeryung didn't seem to be one either, but I think she's integral to that love....whatever it is, I'm guessing. Edited August 28, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 The teasers make it look rather bland. Thank goodness for Tumblr. I'm only here to see L's face really. As long as they don't do what they did in CSL where the chemistry between the second male lead and the main female lead was really good and a lot of people were rooting for that guy to get the girl in the end instead of the main, but the writers were dumb and then proceeded to be like 'Nope, we're going to bastardize your character so people hate you instead,' just so the two main leads could get together. I hope that doesn't happen, because that would be bad writing, but knowing netizens, they'll say it's bad acting or something of the like instead. But I have my pitchforks at the ready, just in case. The main male and main female had good chemistry though? I'm sure part of the reason why others were preferring the second male lead was because the main male was being a bitter, self victimized ass. But when the second male lead started showing his faults while the main male was going through the proper development, the tides changed. I don't think the writers did it on purpose because others were gunning for the second male lead to get the girl. I believe it was made to end that way. That also never stopped dramas from getting who they want to get together...well, together. Either way, guess we'll see how the battle of chemistry ends up (for me, gif wise, lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Nah, it was like a complete 180 to be honest and while I didn't really care for which person she ended up with (I'm not big on romcoms in the first place, but it was entertaining for the most part and I was watching it for Myungsoo), I thought it was completely weird how in it only took one episode for them to be like 'Oh, he's a terrible guy' and didn't really build up anything before that, but then ever episode after, they made him seem very wishy-washy depending on the episode. Like they didn't have any subtle hints before then, except maybe his immaturity due to his age, but that was a given, but everything else... It wasn't written that well, especially since it seemed like the writers knew that people were rooting for the second lead to get the girl more than the other and with the second lead having just as much chemistry with the main girl as well, they totally squandered his character after that, just so they could set her up with the main guy. (They wanted to the two mains to get together, that was obvious (out of every kdrama out there, 9/10 times the two mains get together, so it wasn't like I didn't figure that out by the get go), but it was pretty obvious that they didn't realize how much chemistry the girl had with the second lead either, so when they saw that and realized that many people were rooting for those two to get together instead of the leads, they were like 'Fuck, this can't be happening, we need to stop this,' and gave him bad characterization instead. And from my understanding, I'm pretty sure they don't write all the episodes before the show starts or if they do, I do know that they're extremely flexible with their scripts and will make changes according to what the public thinks about the series and if something isn't going to plan with their 'original idea' or if they feel like something fits better later on, they can change things if they want to. And because of the flexibility they have and how most of their shows ride on public sentiment, especially since it all depends on how much money they're getting, this is why there can be things like bad characterization for characters half way through a series or major plotholes that don't get filled. If they really wanted to make him a bad guy as they supposedly made him for a while, they could have given subtle hints here and there to show how his real nature was, but they didn't, so that pretty much tells me that while they wanted to the two mains to get together, they didn't exactly expect the public to like the other couple as much as they did, so they had to fix that and fix it they did.) I'm going to watch it, just because I don't really have any kdramas I'm watching right now (I'm waiting for there to be more episodes of the 3 musketeers one, but everything else right now looks bland as hell), but if it turns out to be terrible, then I'll just watch Myungsoo's cuts and reblog gifs on tumblr and stay away from places like netizenbuzz where I'm sure there'll be an article or two about it. Who's the "public" though? Koreans? International people? I saw some liking the second male lead with the main girl, yes, per the usual, but people were still up for and rooting for the lead couple just as well. It wasn't such a discrepancy like it usually is even when the CEO was an ass. It's definitely not enough to butcher some character on purpose just so they can get the lead couple to work and gain more support. They didn't need to do that. The second male lead also had a handicapped sister. Her character was butchered too (which is even a bigger shame, considering she had the potential to be a different second female lead than most, being a Director of a company from start, but she turned out to be like the rest of them), and it had nothing to do with chemistry considering her and the male lead were probably the most two who lacked it out of the love square. It's simply, to me, down to bad writing or messy plotting. CSL wasn't the same near the end that it was in the beginning. I just think the accusation that the PDs deliberately ruined a character for the sake of their main couple is farfetched considering the lack of proof for it other than an assumption. I feel it wasn't a complete 180. He just started to be clingy and was fighting for her hard despite how it came off because he knew he was struggling with a losing battle. He backed off when all was said and done. Rain and Krystal's chemistry is up in the air, I've seen mixed responses, but we still don't know how L and Krystal will work either. And if they do end up changing their minds or if MyungStal do end having more chemistry, unless it's enough to hit viewers' attention, there's no need to worry. Unless they go awry with the plot. Either way, unless some good news happens, I'll just be looking at gifs in terms of this drama so far. Edited August 30, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) And a picture of the four main players released - Edited September 4, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I'll get to that big reply. MAIN CHARACTERS: Leads - Unfortunate second leads fighting the losing battle - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Just judging from the 3 teasers and bts that were released I think I felt Krystal's age in the way she seems stiff while Rain is so relaxed. That's why Rain looked to her as if she was a child in the BTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 ^ lol Myungsoo wearing one of back's shirts. Isn't it Sonagi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) OMFG. They had more chemistry in a few seconds than Rain and Krystal had in four teasers. Though I'm not jumping to conclusions just yet. I'M JUST HAPPY THERE'S FINALLY SOME L. AND HE LOOKS SO GOOD. That isn't surprising though. Oops ya LOL ^ Edited September 11, 2014 by Boadicea 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) From what I saw, a good portion of the Korean public were for the noona-dongsaeng relationship, but I do understand that second lead/main romance usually does have some people liking it. But the chemistry between the two was pretty solid and could have went either way. Personally, I kind of wished the girl would have dropped both guys, but that's just me. And bad characterization is bad writing. I agree with you on the second female lead having terrible characterization too, but I don't think it's not impossible for them to butcher some their characters, at least a little bit and for a little while at that (there was a few episodes that really did seem like they were writing out of the seat of their pants for some stuff, but towards the end, the show did pick up and get better again), to make certain things happen the way they want them too, especially since their scripts aren't set in stone and they don't film the show all at once or half of it at a time like American shows do. If I remember correctly, there was some plot holes as well, but that's the norm for most shows, but bad characterization shouldn't be that much of a problem, especially since the show's plot wasn't anything exciting or new, so it's just odd to see the two main leads have decent characterization, while the rest of the cast was kind of mess depending on the episode. I only say this, because there's this nifty thing in writing called the story triangle which is made up of three things: good characterization, good plot, and good writing (as in style, voice, etc...) and usually most writers can only hit two of them at once, so either one writer can have great writing and great characterization, but may have a boring or bad plot, while someone else can have great characterization and a good plot, but have terrible writing, but you would think with many writers writing, they would be able to hit all three (maybe not be amazing at all three, but more than decent at all three) because each person on the team of writers would have their strengths, but sadly, that doesn't happen often. But since their shows are confined to 16-20 episodes usually, you would think they would have better writing since they don't have to come up with new things every season like American shows, but it seems that only a few shows stand out each year, while the rest can range from mediocre to decent. I'm not too worried about it, unless it turns out to be another BoF type deal, then I may have to stop watching it, because I absolutely hated that show, but maybe having Myungsoo and Krystal in it would make it bearable to me, but BoF... Worst drama ever and I still don't know why people seem to think it's the best kdrama they have ever watched. (Sorry about the late reply, but school likes to keep me away from sites like this. The woes of being a senior engineering student.) I'm not denying that they would manipulate aspects to have things go the way they want, I just don't think people preferring the second lead/female lead is the reason for it. Like all these k-dramas, the leads will obviously end up together. It was a matter of what happened throughout it. They decided to use the second leads as plot tools to create issues. After all, the leads can't get together until the very end and they have to resolve the quadrangle at the same time. So they made the choice to go for the cliche mean, second lead woman and turn the nice, second lead (as per usual they are, while the main lead is a douchebag) into a clingy koala that didn't get the meaning of rejection. Both of these characters were set up to be that way. Maybe it wasn't executed well, but the second lead woman obviously had some hints about her mental state and the second lead male was already described as immature plenty and had the signs of not liking the idea of the leads together. Therefore the actions that they both took when it came to the people they fell in love with once things started to get heavy wasn't that sudden. Cunning Single Lady I feel was more character focused than plot focused. I'm still not watching this drama. I'm just keeping up with the news cause L's in it really, and I'll only see it in gif form. You know what happens every time he's in some drama, I'm not dealing with it. Anyway, take your time. It's busy for everyone ;;. Yes, it's true. I can'i wait. Myungstal sorry Rain Lol. Nothing's set in stone until it airs. They won't end up together anyway, so Rain and Krystal have to make it work. It might be just L's intense gaze that's playing tricks too, cause good lawd, I'm awed that Krystal survived. Edited September 12, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boadicea 2,129 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) The acting bits are being exaggerated. L's passable, and Rain/Krystal are okay. Are they Oscar winner actors? No. But there's nothing bad, or horrible, or anything unless people are being utterly nitpicky. L's flaws in particular are being made worse than what they are. I hope both Krystal and L keep getting those roles and taking them, and let them haters keep bitching about it. Why listen to such awful nonobjective negativity anyway. They can writhe and suffer in all their hateful misery for all I care. That also goes for international fans who are on the same low level. oki i watched the 2nd episode, i didnt like it that much tbh lol i still dont get chemistry love vibes from krystal and rain, i think they have chemistry but mainly as little sis and oppa type of feel.myung an krystal needs more scenes they are too freaking kawaii together I get that feeling too. There's some chemistry, but it's not romantic. At least it's better than having no chemistry at all, even thought both aren't good for the lead couple, realistically speaking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufvg393QgrM I love her voice I love how he listens to her voice. Edited September 19, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) I think things like this can't be helped. There are just people who have more chemistry with each other and/or different chemistry with each other. L and Krystal, which was seen from the My Lovely Girl conference alone, what they have with their characters...it was expected. The chemistry between Se Na and Hyun Wook is stale and more platonic because that's perhaps how the actors themselves see each other. I'm trying to figure out why it isn't working just yet, cause Rain had chemistry with all his female co stars. But they were adults. It's also a shame, because, while Hyun Wook/Se Na is inevitable, this makes Shi Woo/Se Na doomed from the beginning. The main couple already fell for each other by episode 3. There's going to be problems concerning the dead sister and his illusions of course, once everything's out in the open, but they have to end up together by rule, so it'll be fixed. I'm thinking that's why they're developing so fast, for the sister's shadow issue. With that in mind, I don't see why there needs to be a one-sided love from Shi Woo's part. If it's for development, it could have worked as them being friends since he seems to have no one there for him. But the chemistry between Krystal and L wouldn't have allowed that anyway. I love the interactions so far though. Antagonism with a side of subconscious flirting. From the Ep. 5 preview, there's going to be more Shi Woo/Se Na scenes. Shi Woo's also the most interesting character in the drama. Not even being biased, the character itself is set up well from the get go, he's entertaining, and there's unexplored painful background. Say whatever you want about L's acting, but he does make him likable and charming and you can't really hate him like you can with Ra Eum and Rae Hoon. Who I detest. Sorry Hoya. Speaking of Hoya, there's L's smirking, and then there's Hoya's tongue sticking out all the time. It's rather comically irritating, lol. Rain doesn't have much to work with as Hyun Wook, the character is pretty stream lined and carbon. But he's doing the best he can with it. U feel The chermistry with L because the age and many Myungstal shipper and Krystal acting had improved so much Why u said it Worst?Lmao.She improved a lot If u mean L im agree.its not just my opinion u can search on forum,fb and even knetz said it No, they have chemistry because there's chemistry there. Even non-shippers (and especially non-MyungStal shippers) reblogged the hell out of the My Lovely Girl conference. Last time I checked, some gif posts and whatnot had like 3,000 notes. Pictures went to the hundreds. I doubt there's that many MyungStal shippers in existence. I know you ship Hyukstal, that's fine, but keep it objective here as well. You wouldn't be saying this if it was Minhyuk? L and Haeryung (Bestie girl) are also the same age, but it's not the same as the Se Na/Shi Woo scenes. Edited September 25, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAj9zUixF9A More Myungstal Aw, them in a noraebang. L in over sized hoodies and sweaters looking cuddly do things to me, I can't. Also, #noamnesia2014plz. Maybe the dead sister will speak to him, or maybe he won't crash at all. Edited September 25, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 (edited) As another user who replied before me, I do not ship Myungstal. I just feel a genuine chemistry when I watch them both together on screen. It comes off more naturally when compared to scenes with Rain. I don't know if you're serious or not but she just hasn't commanded her character well enough. It may be due to the fact that her character so far is just bland and I see no potential growth in her character when compared to Rain or L's. (who as another user pointed out to me, has the most interesting character background story so far out of the whole entire cast regardless of whether L's acting is bad or not.) She still has way more to go in terms of improving her abilities as an actress. Basically, that she doesn't have the charisma to be a leading lady yet. But she really doesn't have much to work with in the first place. Her and Rain. Edited September 27, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 (edited) That is what I meant by her having a bland/badly written character. Rain's character on the other hand has other issues that can be/will most probably be further explored such as his post-traumatic issue and his relationship with his father. Nothing too exciting/interesting though if you ask me. I'm more intrigued by what L's character has to offer behind that snobbish attitude he puts on. She's the person who will heal both male leads. In the same way Rain's character will heal her, together, but she doesn't have much to heal in the first place. I think they're focusing on the songwriting aspect and her struggle for it, but not on how she's dealing with whatever scar the death of her sister left. Si Woo is what drives me to watch (him and the L/Krystal scenes, which is supposed to happen with the lead couple). I don't know what L's doing but the character's charming despite being vain and quite the jerk. An actor's job is to bring the character to life and he's succeeding in just that. It helps that he has good material. Edited September 27, 2014 by Boadicea 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) Episode 7 really was boring. Mostly cause we were basically told flat out not to believe this drama will think outside the box. It doesn't. And I think that unless you're invested in the lead pairing, there's nothing to look forward to. Granted, this might have been an off episode, so I'll give it one or two more before deciding on just cuts. I liked what they were doing in the last three episodes. I felt like, while we knew where it was going since the beginning, they sort of played neutral. Well, more that there was a chance the drama could still possibly surprise us with something different maybe? Yet all this episode did is actually cement exactly what we all knew was going to happen and now the drama flat lined. Expectation? Out the window. Interesting? Out. A twist? Nope. It really is going to be predictable. Plain, old predictable. I'm aware of how it's going to go. The least they can do is spice it up along the way. I like that Se Na has cajones and isn't such a typical female lead, there's no time being wasted on useless things, but honestly, her whole world revolves around Hyun Wook. And she's flat. As in, a flat character, lol (if it wasn't for Krystal...). I've yet to see a change in her that's tantamount to real development. She's still the same person I met seven episodes ago, except she's evolving as a songwriter. Hyun Wook is flat too (the perfect, nice, helpful, caring, protective, handsome and rich CEO who's a genius and has talent, and actually has people there for him) but at least he has some issues to work out and his past to be discovered. As if the characters themselves weren't flat, Hyun Wook and Se Na's relationship is literally free. There's no conflict to go through, they have no conflict. The only hurdle they have to face is the dead sister wedge, but even that will have its inevitable result and they'll end up together anyway. We're just probably going to see them brood over the sister for an episode or two. Ah. Perhaps throw a wild Hae Yoon in there, per typical second female lead. Now, Hyun Wook and Se Na are cute. They're warm and fluffy and whatnot. But it's definitely not the chemistry that I would consider lead couple material. It is what it is though. Let's go to Si Woo, the saving grace (seriously, I have no idea what this drama would have been like without him). What sucks is that for the leads' moments to shine, Si Woo had to take a back seat. I don't want to jump in that accusation, as this is one episode, but, they did use him minimally this time and his interactions with Se Na dwindled as he's being friendzoned. I thought it was entertaining to see how the two couples might go head to head, but they ruined that too. He continues being the interesting one out of the cast, he isn't riddled with perfections, and I still feel bad for him. No girl wants him, he has no friends, he has self doubt, insecurities, and issues that he has to handle by himself, people tell him he has no talent and apparently doesn't (he's the complete opposite of Hyun Wook, maybe that's why I'm drawn to him more). Life sucks for Si Woo. I guess the only thing he has to look forward to at the end of the drama is a possible successful solo career. Hopefully Ra Eum can throw herself off the bridge and fall to the Han River. I don't understand the reason for her existence. Se Na may be flat, but she's spunky and charming to make up for it. I don't know wtf Ra Eum is, she has nothing redeeming about her. She and Si Woo don't complement one another at all and he'll be stuck with a shallow diva of a girl. It's best he ends up alone. He should be used to that anyway, that's his life story as there ever was one. Don't get me started on Hae Yoon. I'm not going to breach that subject. I guess I was letdown despite knowing what I was getting into . Away from that, I hope MyungStal get to be in a drama together again. The chemistry between them is going to go to waste in this and it's too good to not do anything with one day. Edited October 9, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) " seriously, I have no idea what this drama would have been like without him (SiWoo) " Guys, I think you're being a bit biased here Try to forget about your love for Myungsoo and your disappoitment that SeNa is not falling in love with him and I'm sure you'll enjoy the drama a lot. I'm neutral, I liked her chemistry with SW a lot, and I like her chemistry with HW as well, but if you think about it, SW didn't really do anything that might make her fall in love with him, and the fact that he refused to sing her song made it even harder for her to like him, which is sad because she was starting to see him differently the last few episodes. I think there's definitely a physical attraction between SW and SN, but with HW, SeNa feels safe and that's what women neen in a relationship, don't forget that SeNa is 25 in the drama so she's looking for a serious long term relationship, if she was 20, I would've supported her with SW, but when you get a bit older, you start looking for stability, and that, HW can provide it to her. I'm 24 myself, so I think I understand why Sena is falling for HW, but if I was 2 or 3 years younger I would've definitely been attracted to SW. Se Na became 23. I believe the SBS official site changed it. Why? I have no idea, don't see how it helps. I'm not being biased here. Neither am I the only one who feels that way, and most aren't L fans outside of here. That's a pretty unfounded conclusion just because my bias is actually playing the character (I could turn the accusation back to you in terms of Krystal). I don't know if another actor would have captured or sold it the same way, and really, would we'd be even watching if our faves weren't here? But Si Woo, as the character, is by far the most interesting to me. He's realistic and riddled with layers and more often than not amusing to watch on screen. I find him more easy to sympathize with and I feel more when it comes to his character arc than the perfect Hyun Wook. Who's the stuff straight out of a woman's fantasies (dating your dead older sister aside), therefore not a character I relate with. I know Si Woo is rather rough around the edges. Heck, I even understand why Se Na would fall for Hyun Wook instead, really I do. But Si Woo's not simple and is more complex. A person you need time to comprehend and know rather than being the designated hero of the female lead. It's not something safe to figure out in comparison to what he's up against. Se Na was already starting to crush on Hyun Wook since the first episode, so she doesn't have that time since she's too infatuated with the male lead. You say she's probably looking for someone to settle with, but her actions and the way she comes off reminds me of a starstruck teenage girl rather than a woman with serious feelings. Hae Yoon feels like a woman with serious feelings and carries herself as such, but the patheticness of it is a turn off. It helps that Si Woo's the underdog here, meaning the audience is given more reasons to root for him. Hyun Wook basically has his happy ending written in stone and is getting the girl, but Si Woo? He adds something to the drama that would be gravely missed in my opinion. Maybe the lack of him in this episode is what made it a bit bleh to watch. I don't know, I just wasn't as entertained as the last few episodes. I wasn't entertained either for the first two but then it picked up. Now it's back to square one. As for the chemistry, I'm not going to be like some others that say Hyun Wook and Se Na don't have any or find them awkward to watch. It's just what they have is not what the drama is trying to portray (the romantic route). When I imagine them kissing or being passionate or have their skin ship mean more than just something cute, nice, and warm, it falls flat. Like it does in the actual drama. The relationship also has no conflict. So that's why I stated that if you're not that into the lead couple (I think by this point we are supposed to be), who basically took over Episode 7 with all their moments and I don't see it ending, there's no incentive to continue watching. I liked how there was still a minuscule chance that the drama might surprise us, but this episode killed it really and whatever anticipation I had was gone. Like if I know what's going to happen, then give me something else to keep me. I'm still checking it out though, as I stated, it could be an off episode. Edited October 9, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 there is no more ost T_T I really want to hear Krystal's version of the latest OST T_T hng I ended up watching only Siwoo's cuts and the kissing scene since I don't feel good so I can't really judge the episode much, tell me if this episode is better than yesterday? I avoid MLG discussions places at other sites since most of them are filled with ship wars and dissing so I can't check other people opinions, which makes me sad because I usually enjoy when people discuss a drama in depth (but well maybe it's because the drama doesn't give the watchers much to discuss other than the ships?) I'm personally going to stick to cuts. I don't know what you mean if better than yesterday, in terms of what you're looking for. It's still pretty underway to being predictable, nothing has changed about that. Except they finally kiss (I can't say anything since it didn't impact me severely and whatnot), as per the expectation of the leads at this point. The sister bomb will probably drop in the next episode or two. I would have been so happy with the Si Woo this episode, but if you've never felt how painful it is to have your heart punched with brutal force, you do now. It's not even the rejection yet and it's still hard to watch. They made it really harsh this episode o.o. Like why would they go and show all that and him being all sweet and happy, they're being cruel to him on purpose. I was holding my breath the entire time in fear. It didn't happen yet it would have been better if it did. I wish they'd do it and get it over with. I am so proud of L for doing so much justice to the character, but that's what makes this so difficult . I think you misunderstood, I never said Siwoo's character is not important in this drama, of course he is, but so are all the others . Yes, his character is interesting but I can say the same about the other characters as well, even though Rain represents the "perfect guy" as you said but he's a lot more than that, he lost the love of his life, he even think he's reponsible for her death, he lost interest in life, in his passion (music), he hid himself somewhere far from seoul and broke contact with his friends and family, he's just as lonely and miserable as Siwoo. I can say the same about SeNa as well, her father left them a long time ago, she lost her sister and her mother died from pain, she was left behind, alone, she had to face the hardships of life by herself at a young age, she was going through life without any purpose or direction, wandering from a job to another. You said "Si Woo's not simple and is more complex. A person you need time to comprehend and know" and I agree with you, and maybe that's why it's not working for Sena, why would she choose the hard way (sw) when she can have it the easy way (hw), maybe she's selfish and maybe she's just too tired of taking care of others all the time while no one is taking care of her. And as you said, we already knew that sena was going to end up with hw, that's how it works in kdramaland, but I think if she ends up with siwoo, it would be a bit unrealistic, unless she really can't forgive him because he hid the truth about being her sister's bf, or if she feels that she's betraying her sister, then it would make sense that she chooses siwoo (which I personnaly don't mind, I ship them both, as you've noticed I'm a fan of krystal so I'm fine either way ). That was perhaps true in the beginning, but the thing about it is we are aware of their impending happiness. Hyun Wook has people around him. He went into hermit mode, but he still has people around him that care for him and his well being. Hae Yoon, Sung Jin, Se Na, etc. He has people to support and help him. He has family, as broken as it is thanks to his father. He's not going to suffer alone and he isn't as we speak. I honestly cannot sympathize. Especially after this episode. As for Se Na, I probably would have felt her if the drama actually covered her pain and hurt and loneliness more. But it doesn't. I like Hyun Wook and what he has to offer, don't get me wrong, but I really can't feel for him. He just has to get past So Eun and he's set for life. It can't be helped. If L was the lead, Se Na would have taken time to get through his layers. But he isn't, and they're obviously going with Hyun Wook/Se Na so that's where they'll place their efforts. He was doomed from the start. They made his fate really upsetting in EP. 8 though. I don't know why they had to go and do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) better meaning less boring than yesterday's episode and that something new actually happens, haha. As long as they don't go on amnesia/terminal illness route for the lead couple, it's better to be like this I guess. At least I'm curious about how Sena will deal with the revelation about her sister, even though I know she will forgive Hyunwook eventually. I kind of want to see her being angry. Yeah I hope his heart breaks soon so we will get over it soon enough, his heart isn't even broken again yet but my heart is already broken for him, haha. It's hard seeing him smile so much because of Sena but Sena will be the one who break his heart again. The writers are cruel to him, I love and hate it at the same time. Yup I'm proud of Myungsoo for succeeding in selling his character and the writing for his character helps. Actually Siwoo's character is like a lot of first leads but at the same time, he is also really different because his struggles are real and I can connect with him. I can't connect with Hyunwook because he's too perfect, but I can relate with Siwoo a lot and sometimes with Sena too. Anyway since I appreciate Siwoo's character a lot I want to take a little time to appreciate Sena's character too, she knows what she wants and she is not that meek, she's actually quite bold but sadly her boldness falters in front of some people. She is a little different than most Candy characters and that's why I like her. You're going to have to watch for to judge yourself. I found it almost the same. Hyun Wook and Se Na kiss, but other than the fact that they kissed, it was rather meh overall. I really don't think Rain and Krystal have the right chemistry. Otherwise, there's again, not much to talk about. I said it before, but all this drama has is the older sister and Hae Yoon possibly turning into the bitchy second lead. Si Woo has gone through so much and he's handled it all by himself. How long were Infinite Power active? Because then he would have been dealing with being ostracized for a few years. His home life doesn't seem all that grand either. The relationship between him and his mother is strained, as much as they both care for the other. He has no one to talk to, no one to listen to him, no one to be by his side. He's more than likely going to deal with the incoming heartbreak alone as well. Dealing with insecurities and pressure of his solo career on top of that. Am I the only one who's surprised he hasn't buckled under? As for Se Na, yeah, that's good for a female lead. But I said before how I feel she has nothing but Hyun Wook and wants nothing else but Hyun Wook. The disinterest of being anything with Shi Woo (companions, friends) rubs me the wrong way. She just appears like she doesn't care. Not even just him, but other people? It's like she has no goals to make friends or go outside her ahjussi bubble. Her whole entire character is basically centered around Hyun Wook really. She doesn't even mind the fact that he expressed control and basically told her who to see and not see (a.k.a. "don't interact with anyone on AnA"). I was flabbergasted. And she's too high up Hyun Wook's ass to really care about the implications of that. They weren't even dating at that point. Honestly, last night's episode made me realize how unlucky Siwoo is, the poor guy was really trying to get closer to SeNa but she was too hypnotized by HW, I really felt bad for him. For the first time I felt like he could be just as reliable as hw, he could do a lot for her too, but I guess he came a little late. I'm so worried about him now, I hope he won't have a sad ending. I can only imagine how your fangirl heart is aching watching him suffer, even if it's just a drama ( even I, who's not a fan, felt bad), but you should try to put your feelings aside, and enjoy the drama and his acting, he really did a great job unlike what people were expecting (myself included). If everyone did the same as you and only watched the cuts of the character they like the most, the (online) views are not going to increase, and it won't help the drama to get more popular (note how many articles were talking about how MLG ranked first in terms of online ratings, which helped promote the drama). So I think, even though we're getting too emotionally involved, we need to keep watching every episode that comes out, so that the drama gets more recognition and the cast as well, they all did a really good job in acting so it would be a shame if they didn't get credit for it or if nobody watched it. The positive thing about what's happening to L's character is that we all sympathized with him ( even non-fans), which only shows how great L's acting was, I myself was impressed with his improvement a lot. So let's please all try to do the best we can to make this drama more popular. fighting Just going through his scenes make me sad. He's such a pitiful character, a character who has nothing and who no one cares for. I don't know how he hasn't gotten depression to be honest. L really understands the character, though he most likely can relate to him in the first place. As for watching the entire drama for the sake of supporting it, I don't know, does watching in Viki or DramaFever even really count as viewership rating? Edited October 11, 2014 by Boadicea 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 I finally watched it...well I skipped some scenes but overall I guess the drama's being really predictable and I have already watched the same kind of story too many times. I watched too many dramas I guess. Not that I have much expectations for this drama, but epi 3-6 gave me hope that it won't be that boring and predictable. Yeah Krystal and Rain do have some chemistry, but not the right chemistry. It doesn't help that Rain acted so ancient in this drama even though he is actually not that old. If I'm not mistaken, IP is active for around 4 years just like Infinite? So he had deal with that for years plus on his training days. He is strong and weak at the same time. I guess that makes him feel real and human since he is not perfect. And when will his family issues be addressed? I guess they're saving it for later episodes since it might be related to Hyunwook too. I'm afraid that they're going to turn his character into an antagonist later because of heartbreak and whatever his family secret is, hopefully the writers are smart and don't do that. Ah yeah, I guess that's a problem too. Her character hasn't really developed yet and her world now is revolving around Hyunwook, sometimes I even feel that her dream is being put as second next to Hyunwook. It's kind of sad to see :/ Her character has some potentials if only the writers really explore her life. I saw some comments where people actually predicted the structural order of events in sixteen episode dramas (apparently, for those, the kiss happens in episode eight). The lack of creativity baffles me. I'm not going to say much on Rain and Krystal or Hyun Wook and Se Na. I'm simply not feeling it. And by it having to do with Hyun Wook, you mean the half brother speculation. Because the lady in the picture showed up in that one episode and it's not Siwoo's mom. So it's pretty much shot down. And I don't think they are going to turn him into an antagonist. I think that's what they are going to do with Hae Yoon more. Plus, they still have Jae Young. Three people against the leads is stupid, even for k-drama standards. Siwoo is just going to be a sad puppy for a while. I don't think that's going to change unfortunately. The writers seem to find that as "love" and it doesn't look like they feel it's anything wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) yeah usually episode 8 there is a kiss, and then 9-10-11 lovey dovey, 12-13-14 conflicts, 15-16 twists and endings. Well I think it's usually like that. so the next episodes we're probably going to see sena and hyunwook on dates or something with solo debut and management conflicts on the side. Really? I thought in the photo the woman actually looked quite similar with Siwoo's mom, so I guess my eyes are tricking me. If it's not that then I wonder what is the family secret he don't want to know since it's on his character description. Yeah it's better if he's just a sad puppy and don't turn into a villain. Idk, now it feels like having a successful solo career is not that much a happy ending for him if he still doesn't have anyone by his side. But well, as long as it's not raeum... ...that sounds rather boring. Guess I'll know to skip next week's episodes and tune into the rest. Well, more like rush pass them. I don't expect a twist either. There was a woman that was caught by the spy that the wife hired to check on CEO Lee. I think it was Ep. 7 where he visited some shop. I'm thinking she's supposed to be the woman on the picture. Unless the wife thought wrong. I wonder then what the family secret is too. That he was dead poor? I don't know. It could be they threw a red herring that episode. I know it's not the best happy ending, but it's all Si Woo has really :/. I wouldn't wish him Ra Eum in the slightest. Let him meet some other amazing, great, beautiful girl. Yes, it counts on online views. But if you really can't keep watching the drama don't force yourself Even though this drama is kind of predictable and has many clichés, but I find it very comfortable to watch, and it also has so many new things that I've never seen in a kdrama before, like Sena's bold character, or the fact that she doesn't hesitate to make the first move to get closer to the guy she likes (I was shocked when she hugged him in the last episode, I've never seen a female lead initiate skinship first ^^), or the nice second lead who's a not a jerk for once (unlike in the heirs). And most of all, I support my bias who's part of the cast. But as I said before, the fact that you don't like the drama and don't feel like watching it doesn't mean you're not supporting your bias, so don't feel like you have to I believe second leads in dramas are usually the nice guys while the male leads are the jerks with a heart of gold. In MLG, the roles are switched. But people still got second male lead syndrome, lol. I like Se Na's good points, but I don't like her behavior around Hyun Wook. You can't deny that she has no other connection besides him and she seems not to be interested in expanding her circle either. All her focus, her entire character actually, is on and about Hyun Wook. Neither do I like that he's already forbidding her on who to see and not see. This is very different from the likes of Sung Bin from I Hear Your Voice, who had her own agency outside the men, as did all the women. Her crush was only a minimal part of her. Se Na doesn't have that, for all her boldness. Hyun Wook defines her. She comes across to me as infatuated. She's unique yet not unique. If anything, I can just watch online and skip to certain scenes. That's what I've been doing actually. Edited October 11, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Honestly, I think even though sena likes hyun wook now, it's likely to change in the next episodes, since she'll know that he hid the fact that he was her sister's bf, after that, she'll feel lonely and weak and if siwoo keeps making efforts to get closer to her as he's doing now, she might start to look at him differently, so I'm definitely optimistic about these two, they may not end up together in the end but they are going to share sweet moments, and that's all I'm asking for, at least he would have had his chance, because as you said, sena only sees hyun wook now and doesn't even care to notice that Siwoo is interested in her and trying to get closer to her. I don't think the sister reveal will affect her much at all. I mean, she seems to be so in love with him, and goes out of her way to please him. I'm sure she's going to be hurt and struggle a little, but once Hyun Wook explains I'm positive she'll forgive him. It's Hyun Wook who more than likely will be the reason for them being apart for a while, playing noble idiocy. I even expect the ghost of the dead sister to make a reappearance. Se Na's lack of interest in making connections outside of Si Woo isn't only about...Si Woo. It's in general. Either way, I'm not holding my breath for anything Si Woo/Se Na. I don't think many are anymore as well though a few still fruitlessly wish. That nail was hammered in the coffin since Ep. 7. Those gifs confused me the first time I saw it. I didn't watch the subs yet, so I was bewildered and WTFing as to when things took a turn like that, lol. Ah, if only he was lead. I don't think L's ready for that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Haha ! sorry about the gifs My delulu mind is telling me that even if siwoo and sena can't be together, L and Krystal in the other hand can ^^ since Rain has a girlfriend, and Myungsoo had said before that he finds her pretty,this drama must have definitely helped them get closer. They do seem friendly. Lord, they are adorable. I think this is what's seeping through their characters, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) this drama is so cruel to siwoo.................................................. What happened? D: I just want him to get rejected already, why are they dragging his misery I don't know. Like, does Se Na have no clue or...? Oh, and surprise at Hyun Wook invading Se Na's head. No, not really. They're kind of forcing it if that's the case. Um, yeah, we get the fact that she loves Hyun Wook. You don't need to hammer us with it just because she's in a scene together with the second male lead and that it's one sided, we already know where it's going, PDs. Well, Myungstal shippers, you must be happy after today's episode ... I don't think most of us really are. Si Woo and Se Na just have it. Edited October 15, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boadicea 2,129 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) IDK if you already knew or not... His performance is kind of sabotaged by Jaeyoung and he broke his ankle while performing, and meanwhile the (non)fans kind of backstabbed him during the performance? I know about about the second one since inspirits who came to the performance shooting were told to act like they hate him, but I didn't expect him to break his ankle the hospital still should give me a clue but well too late And he was lipsyncing too....... And probably there will be a scandal about him and sena since a paparazzi caught their photos in the hospital? I'm not sure if the scandal is blocked or not. Well needless to say his popularity is rock bottom right now. I don't remember Hyunwook invading Sena's mind when she was with Shiwoo this episode, but well he was there physically haha. the only time hyunwook doesn't show up is in the hospital scene. I think Sena knows that Shiwoo likes her tho. Maybe. In the preview he's still chasing her and Hyunwook is still telling him to stay away from Sena and also delete Sena's number from Siwoo's phone, so I guess Sena still won't reject him next episode, unless it will happen late in the episode. I was waiting for new OST to show up but it didn't show up............. Yeah, I saw everything. The drama really does love to play around with him, that poor baby. He's really down on his luck, and then he's not going to get the girl either. Which is incoming. I'm guessing he's going to have to go for a ballad now? Those fans weren't his fans, Jae Young shut them off. I guess it would have been too early for him to do well, especially since he's still very insecure about himself. But really, what else can you expect when he's been told the entirety of his career that he's just a pretty face with no talent. I really don't know how he holds on so well with all this bull. Thankfully, Hae Yoon stopped the pictures from floating. But who knows, it still exists. Watching this episode, I don't understand Se Na's behavior. It was excused because I was giving her the innocent, young girl act who's too oblivious and into Hyun Wook to notice how a guy is making blatant advances towards her. But not anymore when she's told right in her face. And yet no rejection? I'm not liking it. It might have been sort of bad as Si Woo went through failure that day, but it's worse if she drags it out longer and have him keep falling for her instead of ending it right there and then since she's so in love with Hyun Wook and all. Isn't she mature? I don't like seeing Si Woo be led on. She also hasn't pulled away or reacted in a way where she stops his actions. She didn't even back off in the hospital scene. Sometimes I wonder if she's secretly enjoying the attention. Ep. 10 already aired and I don't think she's rejected him yet either. I won't really know until subs. Edited October 16, 2014 by Boadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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