US Supreme Court rules DOMA is unconstitutional!! Rules Prop 8 had no standing!

[Mr. Squirrel Princess]

Today is an amazing day for equality!!! 

 

"DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment."

"DOMA singles out a class of persons deemed by a State entitled of recognition and protection to enhance their own liberty."

So the federal government must recognize those same sex couples who are legally married. That means ss couples can file taxes jointly, get surviving benefits etc
 

Note: This does not mean marriage equality is now legal. It just means that if a couple gets married in a state that has marriage equality then the federal government must recognize it.

 

This Prop 8 ruling means that the judges believe that proponents had no legal standing to appeal. This means that Judge Walkers opiniion stands.

In lame speak this mean Prop 8 is invalidated and california has marriage equality.

[DocumentaLy]

This only applies if you live in a state that already allows gay marriage.

[Mr. Squirrel Princess]

This only applies if you live in a state that already allows gay marriage.

 

No. It applies if you get married in a state that has marriage equality. You don't have to live in a state that recognizes ssm. You just have to marry in a state where it is legal

[DocumentaLy]

No. It applies if you get married in a state that has marriage equality. You don't have to live in a state that recognizes ssm. You just have to marry in a state where it is legal

 

Whatever, it's the same thing. This only applies to certain states. It's not as if gay marriage is now legal everywhere.

[Mr. Squirrel Princess]

Whatever, it's the same thing. This only applies to certain states. It's not as if gay marriage is now legal everywhere.

 

No it's not the same thing. If someone from let's say Michigan goes to Massachusetts gets married then that means their marriage is recognized federally. That is very important. That means gay couples will get all the federal benefits that marriage has that they have been denied. That means gay couples where one person is not a US citizen will no longer be forced to be separated because one member faces deportation because their marriage isn't recognized. Yes it means that in those states where there is a ban on marriage equality that it is still banned by the state. But federally these couples will be recognized. This ruling is very important.

[DocumentaLy]

No it's not the same thing. If someone from let's say Michigan goes to Massachusetts gets married then that means their marriage is recognized federally. That is very important. That means gay couples will get all the federal benefits that marriage has that they have been denied. That means gay couples will no longer be forced to be separated because one member faces deportation because their marriage isn't recognized. Yes it means that in those states where there is a ban on marriage equality that it is still banned by the state. But this ruling is very important.

 

Like I said, it's the same thing. It's not as if gay marriage is now legal everywhere.

[h0neanias]

Like I said, it's the same thing. It's not as if gay marriage is now legal everywhere.

 

Now you're just being obstinate. That gay marriage is not legal everywhere doesn't mean it's the same thing, as demonstrated above. Whatever your personal stance, the logic is irrefutable. You may argue not enough has changed, however you'd define that, but not that nothing has, obviously.

[DocumentaLy]

Now you're just being obstinate. That gay marriage is not legal everywhere doesn't mean it's the same thing, as demonstrated above. Whatever your personal stance, the logic is irrefutable. You may argue not enough has changed, however you'd define that, but not that nothing has, obviously.

 

Note that I said it applies to certain states. I didn't say nothing has changed. 

[Hero Kim Jaejoong]

I am gay but I rather them to worry more about student loans and other stuff. It will help a whole lot more tbh.

[h0neanias]

Note that I said it applies to certain states. I didn't say nothing has changed. 

 

Then I wonder what exactly is the "same thing" here:

Like I said, it's the same thing. It's not as if gay marriage is now legal everywhere.

 

After all:

No it's not the same thing. If someone from let's say Michigan goes to Massachusetts gets married then that means their marriage is recognized federally. That is very important. That means gay couples will get all the federal benefits that marriage has that they have been denied. That means gay couples where one person is not a US citizen will no longer be forced to be separated because one member faces deportation because their marriage isn't recognized. Yes it means that in those states where there is a ban on marriage equality that it is still banned by the state. But federally these couples will be recognized. This ruling is very important.

 

All it's about.

[DocumentaLy]

Then I wonder what exactly is the "same thing" here:

 

After all:

 

All it's about.

 

It's the same thing because it's not as if this applies to all states, only to ones with gay marriage already.

[SAUCY]

jesus do some of you have bricks in your brains or something

 

 

good for the US I guess

but im not following the line of reasoning 

[sane]

It's the same thing because it's not as if this applies to all states, only to ones with gay marriage already.

 

Do you not understand the meaning of the word "federal"? 

[Mr. Squirrel Princess]

It's the same thing because it's not as if this applies to all states, only to ones with gay marriage already.

 

all it means is that gay couples in states that ban ssm can't march down to their local city hall and get married. that they have to go to a state or country where ssm is legal. that when they come back their marriage isn't recognized by the state but their marriage is recognized federally.

 

so no it isn't the same thing.. like ppl have been trying to say

 

and really not a person expected to give a broad ruling where marriage equality is now legal in all of the us. the court tends to rule conservatively and not make sweeping decisions most of the time

[h0neanias]

It's the same thing because it's not as if this applies to all states, only to ones with gay marriage already.

 

Now you are being obstinate.

 

 

I am gay but I rather them to worry more about student loans and other stuff. It will help a whole lot more tbh.

 

It's such a brouhaha exactly so that you don't notice how badly you're being fisted elsewhere.

[DocumentaLy]

Do you not understand the meaning of the word "federal"? 

 

I understand the word federal. If you get married in a state has gay marriage, your marriage is legal across the country. But you still can't get married in the 38 states that don't have gay marriage.

[sane]

I understand the word federal. If you get married in a state has gay marriage, your marriage is legal across the country. But you still can't get married in the 38 states that don't have gay marriage.

 

Yeah, but this now means that you can travel out of state to marry, and then return to your home state and still receive federal recognition and benefits for your marriage. It's a huge step.

[DocumentaLy]

all it means is that gay couples in states that ban ssm can't march down to their local city hall and get married. that they have to go to a state or country where ssm is legal. that when they come back their marriage isn't recognized by the state but their marriage is recognized federally.

 

so no it isn't the same thing.. like ppl have been trying to say

 

and really not a person expected to give a broad ruling where marriage equality is now legal in all of the us. the court tends to rule conservatively and not make sweeping decisions most of the time

 

I got that. I've had that the whole time.

 

Now you are being obstinate.

 

 

 

It's such a brouhaha exactly so that you don't notice how badly you're being fisted elsewhere.

 

I've explain my position.

[DocumentaLy]

Yeah, but this now means that you can travel out of state to marry, and then return to your home state and still receive federal recognition and benefits for your marriage. It's a huge step.

 

But like I said, it's not as gay marriage is legal everywhere though. Like you said, it's a step.

[sane]

But like I said, it's not as gay marriage is legal everywhere though. Like you said, it's a step.

 

You're just trying to rain on the parade 

[DocumentaLy]

You're just trying to rain on the parade 

 

I don't personally see a reason to get excited. That's just me. The whole gay marriage thing has NEVER interested me. I find this whole gay groupthink that if you aren't gung ho about it that you're doing something wrong very odd.

[Hero Kim Jaejoong]

Now you are being obstinate.

 

 

 

It's such a brouhaha exactly so that you don't notice how badly you're being fisted elsewhere.

If you say so but I rather have congress and the supreme court worrying about stuff that will help all sexes equally instead of gay marriage.

[sane]

I don't personally see a reason to get excited. That's just me. The whole gay marriage thing has NEVER interested me. I find this whole gay groupthink that if you aren't gung ho about it that you're doing something wrong very odd.

 

Then why even comment if you're not interested and try to ruin it for the people that are? 

 

 

 

 

 

If you say so but I rather have congress and the supreme court worrying about stuff that will help all sexes equally instead of gay marriage.

 

You know they could probably focus on multiple things, right? 

 

People have this bad habit of choosing only one topic to be "for", and they forget the other 5 million things that need to be taken care of, and the government regularly takes advantage of this. People just need to expand their horizons tbh and remember that it's okay to focus on more than one thing at a time.

 

 

(And technically gay marriage does benefit "all sexes"... lol)

[DocumentaLy]

Then why even comment if you're not interested and try to ruin it for the people that are? 

 

So no voices of dissent are allowed? Seems like I was right.

[sane]

So no voices of dissent are allowed? Seems like I was right.

 

About what?