Princess Sunggyu Thread

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Ballad is better if sunggyu sing the lower note and let woohyun take the higher. I don't get why they keep using his whiny tone (tho sometimes i love it lol)

 

I disagree only because then he wouldn't get to do his falsetto's, and his high notes can be good at times as well. For example, he did great with his high notes in Between Me & You. The difference between Woohyun and Sunggyu's high notes is that Woohyun's are more dynamic, whereas Sunggyu's high notes, although his vocal flexibility is competent and continuously improving, tend to be rather one dimensional. Sunggyu can be resonant, but he for some reason picks and chooses when to do it, and maybe he sees it more as a stylistic decision than anything else. I personally think he should employ all those good techniques he's acquired from his musicals in Infinite's music as well, but Woollim's vocal trainers aren't competent, and their music producers don't seem to think that the boys' whininess or nasality are problems. I don't think they get as much direction as they need.

Part of me hopes that Woohyun gets better at composing so he can take charge of Infinite's music, because from what he's shown, he knows his member's voices the best, and as a perfectionist with pride, he'd make sure that everybody sounds their best as well.

 

I have so many hopes for the group, so many expectations, and I also disapprove with Woollim's decisions from time to time, but I also know that there is very little I can do about changing the things that happen. I just keep holding on for the day when things do change for the better. I can't do anything else.

 

 

Abomination lol. Sometimes when he sings live, he tries to belt notes in a way he really shouldn't. I love his falsetto, though.

 

 

His falsetto is everything.

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Agree with what you said. And I can only hope that Woollim will wake up and get a grip on reality--that they'll get a proper PR team, treat the member's injuries, and realize that a lot of fans are starting to become worried for the longevity of the group.

 

His falsettos in Light, though. I am listening to it right now and I love all the little adlibs They bring the song to life--something that Infinite F's Crazy desperately needed but didn't have, causing it to become a repetition of static, uninteresting blur of a single tone.

 

Contrary to what most people say I actually think Woollim tries their best with treating the boys' injuries. The sad reality is that they have been injured to degrees which require lengthy rehabilitation and for them to heal completely they would need to take some serious time off from everything. That's where I don't understand people. The group had a year off from music promotions and only did a couple of concerts in that time. Only Infinite H and Sunggyu had comebacks in that time span (and F's promos were not taxing). Sunggyu and Dongwoo weren't injured so they were fine, but Hoya was still recovering. Meanwhile Woohyun and Sungyeol who had various issues, were properly resting by not having schedules, and still people accuse Woollim of not letting them heal? I don't understand that.

As for Hoya, he is very stubborn so Woollim tries to accommodate him the best they can, and I suspect that the reason we haven't heard from Woohyun is because they are accommodating his needs as well. 

 

And I have a theory, that I don't expect people to take as truth because it's not, but that the reason Woollim is hesitant to release tour dates is because they are having doubts on how many concerts Infinite will actually get to do with the group as they currently are, one member less, and several members injured. The only solution they must have found was to announce dates as they approach, assuming the boys will be fine to promote at those times.

 

Tbh, I found there was something a little bit lacking with Light, but maybe that's just because I'm so hard on Sunggyu when it comes to his solos. F's Crazy was seriously monotone. Ugh. They could have done so much more. But I realized that LJY needs to stop picking songs based on composer and uniqueness and start seriously assessing music as consumable products. Crazy was chosen because it was written by an indie group, and the reason Lovelyz are stuck with mediocre title tracks is because they were done by Yoon Sang's producing team. For no other reason than to be "different". 

 

 

agree with this, woohyun should be their vocal director, i like what he gave the boys lines in together 

 

woollim should hire proper persons for their management before Inspirits getting piss off and when won't hear the end of it

 

They need to have more faith in Woohyun. As I remember, LJY didn't want to include Woohyun's composition in their album last time, and it was thanks to Sunggyu's support and the coaxing of one of Woollim's other heads that he relented. LJY has too much pride. He needs to learn when to bend.

 

Finally 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x327az7_eng-150814-jtbc-witch-hunt-infinite-sunggyu-1-2_tv

 

 

 

 

Definitely watching this tomorrow!

Edited August 19, 2015 by dopamine

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can't wait for part 2 being sub then i'll watch them all 

 

 

LJY is a very stubborn man, someone should be able to tame him  i think since woohyun live and practice with them, he understand how their voice suit a certain part and range, and the fact that he listens well to the boys

 

 

 

The Chaser is life, i've replayed that song for 1000000 time and still love it  then i start paying attention to the voice and the layers, makes it more amazing 

The harmony in Between Me and You is everything tbh 

As sunggyu said he can't help it cause every part of his is attractive 

 

CRAP I NEGGED YOU!!...

Somebody help lol.

 

LJY needs to marry tbh. Maybe then he will be tamed.

 

 

 

I actually theorized that at one point, too. I once mentioned on the main Infinite thread that maybe there hasn't been anything said because they want to at least stabilize the entire group, first. If they are indeed planning to do that, then they would have to cancel venues last minute if they had already rented out some places.

 

I thought Light was interesting with his vocals. The composition itself, I have no clue. It's far from my favorite song, but I don't have any problems with it either. I think LJY needs to stop choosing things for his groups in general. He was a manager before, but his business senses are lacking quite a bit. He pushed for Last Romeo just because he wanted Infinite to come back with a Romeo concept--contrary to majority opinion, I actually love the song. Lovelyz could do so much more if he actually put the girls' vocal capabilities as the front-liner. Before the teaser for CJL came out, I was hoping they'd be kind of like an acapella group. They definitely could pull it off.

 

I wonder what it would be like if Sunggyu got to call the shots instead. He isn't Infinite's leader for no reason and he seems to show a lot more responsibility than LJY has lately--completely my opinion, but feel free to tell me otherwise.

 

I wonder how much say he has in those matters tbh. He is definitely influential though, no doubt.

 

Sunggyu doesn't strike me as someone who would make the most business savvy decisions tbh. He'd probably try to give everyone what they want without weighing the repercussions. I mean, he has the potential, but his personality contradicts his brain power. lol.

Edited August 19, 2015 by dopamine

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I fixed it lol

 

He's a very stubborn man so I actually wouldn't be surprised if he puts in quite a bit of input in what kind of concepts the groups do.

 

lol. Now that you say it, you're probably right. I was rewatching Brain King earlier and it made me think. He's a good leader socially, but he's more of an individual strategist rather than a team strategist. So instead of being the king, he's more of a supporter. He even shows these kinds of qualities in The Genius when he just kind of followed other in the beginning. Then when Gura approached Sunggyu on the Zombie episode, he actually came up with something rather clever on the spot. But he only did that because Gura told him; if not, then he probably would have just went with the flow the entire game. Then as there were less players, there were less leaders, he finally started brainstorming for himself on how to win. He is a very individualistic person.

 

Truly. It shows in how he prefers to be alone in certain things too. For example, he is the type to want to fix his own problems by himself, even if in his heart he also wants the support and acknowledgement of others. He also has an aversion for disappointing people, which is a concern he has talked about a few times, and that's why I feel like he would be more inclined to bend to the will of others. 

Sunggyu is so complex but easy to read at the same time. It's like he has two personalities, one that is governed by duty and logic and which makes him a strong leader, and the other that is governed by passion and feelings which makes him inclined to follow the whims of others, and what's interesting is that you can see those distinct personalities clearly in him.  As opposed to in other people, like me, whose different personalities tend to blur and confuse. Sunggyu on the other hand is very direct in his actions. 

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i wonder how things would turn out if Sunggyu won The Genius

I wonder that too sometimes, but Jinho's fans are scary so I would have settled for top 2 as well. lol.

 

He's such an interesting person. It must be why I stan him. I never thought I'd like any celebrities, but Sunggyu just intrigues me in how he embodies so many traits that usually contradict each other. That's why every now and then, I always wonder if he'd be more relaxed and open if he was the maknae instead. Or maybe it's the leader role that shaped him into what and who he is? 

 

 

Very interesting notion to think about, that his role as leader shaped him to be the way he is. Its like his old persona refused to change so it compromised with the new one and now they coexist, both in their own selfish ways of course, because they are so different from one another that they demand attention individually. Why am I talking like these personalities have minds of their own? I'm crazy, lol.

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lol. From the way you're describing the coexistence, it sounds like the fantasy mangas I used to read where one of the characters have dual personalities or another entity living inside themselves.

 

But yes, it really is interesting to think about the possibilities of how Sunggyu as he is now came to be. He's definitely changed over the years and you can see if from how he carries himself in interviews, reality shows, and his interactions with others. His 4 Things Show gave me a lot of insight on his personality and I wish there were more of that, but I'll just take what I can get.

Well, I am a creative writer so I have to have some crazy in me lol

 

I wish all the members would go on 4 Things. So far only Sunggyu and Hoya have gone.

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i want dongwoo on 4things show. That would be very interesting

Also i wonder why people don't believe sunggyu when he said woohyunis sick they even make their own plot regerding woohyun absence

Because conspiracy theories.

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I read something stupid yesterday like "what if woollim doing something bad to woohyun and force the other members to keep silent" i mean it's kind of reaching but funny i choose to trust sunggyu words

Lol.

 

I remember very clearly the distressed faces of the members when Myungsoo was embroiled in controversy due to his dating scandal. If there was something to worry about we would know it just from looking at their faces.

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The Genius and variety shows shot him up to popularity. Not his solo ventures, but variety shows.

 

 

The opposite is such a misconception. People think he gets praised because of his singing and music, but he is mostly known and favored for his variety experience. I said on the Infinite thread that I bet Sunggyu got more fans from him being on Fluttering India than he did from releasing his second solo album.

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I can believe that, especially since his solo ventures are the type of music that isn't really popular, but more of a niche type thing. 

 

And not just his music but his voice as well.

 

I'm pretty sure he did. A lot of people did end up liking his songs after hearing them (which is only a few in hundreds of thousands of people, honestly), but that's it. They liked his song, not him. Honestly, before 2014, whenever good idol singer lists were translated on kpkf, I always saw Woohyun. Even in videos where some shows choose the top 10 idol singers or whatever, it was Woohyun. Back then, everyone knew Woohyun for his voice but Sunggyu for his "whiny and annoying voice" and variety persona. Things literally started turning around for him in 2013 to become what it is today.

 

 

2013 was his miracle year.

 

At least more k-fans like his voice now, but i-fans still like to talk crap about his skills all the time still and it's pretty sucky at times. Especially when Sunggyu's improved a lot and him and Woohyun are essentially at the same level now. But since Sunggyu's voice isn't as ear friendly as Woohyun's, he gets shit on. It's pretty stupid, especially since one's tone doesn't automatically mean one's a better vocalist. 

 

For that same reason Myungsoo gets called untalented too.

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They really don't. I literally had to leave a comment to someone introducing a new fan on youtube that both Woohyun and Sunggyu are officially main vocals. Then they tried to tell me that they think Sunggyu is lead vocal for their own reasons, opinion, and criteria.

 

 

That's always the worst. Honestly Sunggyu doesn't get as much recognition as people think he does for his "talents". Compared to Woohyun he gets less acknowledgement. Woohyun is always seen indisputably as Infinite's main vocal, but Sunggyu is constantly questioned and belittled. I'm not bitter about it, but it sucks that I feel like I constantly have to keep correcting people when they get it wrong. People just let their opinions be governed by pann comments. Just because pann is obsessed with Sunggyu doesn't mean everyone else is, we already know what kind of demographic pann caters to. 

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I'm just gonna put this out there.

 

 

[ARTICLE] 140623 An idol Sunggyu who is called a leader

Posted on June 24, 2014 by chunsa88

 

Whether it be shining onstage, being funny on variety shows, or good at acting. Usually there are 3 major reasons that idols draw attention to themselves. Infinite’s Sunggyu does not belong to any of them. He is the main vocalist but it is difficult to say he is a vocalist with enough force to draw attention from outside the fandom as well. No sooner than he appeared on KBS <Immortal song> and left an impression as an ‘idol who sings well’, his solo album released in 2012< Another Me >is somewhat separated from the interest of the public. And so it often becomes the subject of teasing as a ‘failed album’ with his protests that “Its rare for a solo artist to sell 70/80 thousand albumsâ€. Sunggyu did not become a hot topic due to his excellent sense of entertainment like Kwanghee from ZE:A or by continuously acting like his teammate L. Moreover he has an average appearance for an idol with eyes small enough for Sunggyu to say himself that he feels empty without eyeliner. So Sunggyu who appeared on MBC <Radio Star>’s ‘strange people’ special said “When I became an idol I heard I was unusual so many times.â€

But, even people with no particular interest in idols know Sunggyu. This is due to his performance on tvN <The Genius: rules of the game>. Hong Jinho, Lee Sangmin, Kim Kyungran and Lee Junseok, amidst such players who seemed to be strong at mind games and with wordly wisdom it was difficult to predict that 25 year old idol Kim Sunggyu was going to be a prominent player. But while easing other players’ wariness by showing he didn’t understand the rules on the first go he survived until the top 4. When it was required he even betrayed but appeased people in different ways so they wouldn’t turn their backs on him forever and repayed any favours he received. His characteristic friendliness and gentleness of calling the female players and the female dealer “noona†was the foundation. In addition through joining with Lee Sangmin to create a combi play which was closer to comic talk and so as a good variety show character secured entertainment. In <The Genius> where there is no option but to show self-centred human nature, Sunggyu didn’t receive any hostility from viewers while achieving his goal. It amounted to him showing a model of community life in a broadcast which was set out like a small community. His appearance on JTBC’s <Crime Scene> drew attention because of this very reason. He made them anticipate not because he’s a popular idol but because he is Sunggyu.

 

Of course <Crime Scene> where a truthful investigation and finding the criminal is more important is an entirely different program to <The Genius> where the core is creating relationships. Sunggyu failed at arresting the criminal by selecting innocent Hong Jinho instead of Park Jiyoon. This is not something to be disappointed about. Rather this result reconfirmed his attitude to find what he has to do by grasping the situation and the position he is faced with, and not his remarkable outstanding brain. In Infinite he is a strict leader who settles his members whose minds have started to slack off, in Mnet <Sesame player< he is a meticulous leader who understands what to watch out for when facing each member and is the easy to tease eldest member who sometimes gets teased even by the youngest member Sungjong in MBC everyone’s <Weekly idol>. Collecting suggestions from his members and passing them onto the company or drinking with the head of the company CEO Lee Joongyeob is allocated to Sunggyu too. “He became the leader because he is the eldest but he’s not just nominal leader but an entity that the company, members and fans can practically trust and rely on†(CEO Lee Joongyeob). He is really an idol whose role and character is a leader. 

In short, he’s a boy who goes beyond befitting a leader and has no choice but to be a leader. When he became the subject of controversy due to calling Park Eunji ‘sly’ (yomul) in a behind the scenes video of <The Genius>, he didn’t make excuses and posted an apology on his twitter (yomul: when aimed towards women, describes a woman who is good at luring in men for her benefit). Thanks to this the impact on Sunggyu from the situation did not get any larger. Sunggyu became Infinite’s leader due to the attitude and temperament he was born with, and he finally managed to persuade people who weren’t fans as well. And that, to the public, made him the face of Infinite. Infinite might not be the most handsome or most talented team. But whilst properly satisfying the fantasy of boygroups as smart, polite and funny guys in their 20’s they are a team that can feel endearing to anyone. In one interview Sunggyu said this as a joke. “I don’t want to think of my team without myself.†Everyone is probably thinking the same thing.

Source: Naver news
Translated by Yeji for (infiniteupdates.wordpress.com)
TAKE OUT WITH FULL & PROPER CREDIT

 

Edited August 20, 2015 by dopamine

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I remember that article. If it weren't for The Genius, I wonder when his solo would've churned out. Or if it would've even come out.

 

 

People forget his first solo album came out prematurely. He hadn't gathered enough momentum yet (although his success on Immortal Song could have confused anybody, like I suspect it confused Woollim). I bet you Sunggyu's second album started being planned after he got popularity from The Genius. LJY did say he had high expectations for this one, and I don't think he said that baselessly. 

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That's probably exactly the reason for his second solo album showing up in May like it did. LJY was hoping it would ride on the momentum of the boost in his popularity. idk about his first solo, though. Maybe it was to test the waters with Infinite member's non-Infinite activities? For the people that argue Sunggyu didn't have any popularity over Woohyun and yet he still got a solo, I simply think it's just because he's the leader.

 

 

Something people also forget to mention is that when news of Sunggyu's first album came out the Korean fandom went into an uproar and many were accusing Sunggyu of being a traitor. He also got nasty Knetz comments saying that he wasn't talented enough, and that no one in Infinite were talented enough to go solo. The few people who defended him only had his Immortal Song performances to back them up. 

 

My point is that if Sunggyu hadn't gotten his solo first, someone else would have and they too would have been subjected to scrutiny. If this was a fear that Woollim had, maybe they thought that as the oldest and the leader, Sunggyu would be able to handle criticism and failure the best if it came down to that. In a way, him being the test subject also meant that Woollim would have to give him a second album to gauge improvements. I very much think that Sunggyu got to have his second album before Woohyun's first for this reason. Now that Sunggyu has gotten music show awards and hit #1 on Melon, they can attempt to do the same with Woohyun. Sunggyu's trial is over, and Woohyun's can begin. In a way Woohyun is lucky, because his fans will be more accepting to his solo venture compared to the hesitant reactions they gave Sunggyu, and also, Woohyun will have had more time to prepare his album the way he wants as opposed to Sunggyu whose first album was done in the spur of the moment.

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If it was the other way around--Woohyun's solo first--do you think the situation between Woohyun stans and Sunggyu stans would be reversed? Or would Sunggyu stans already/still be subjected to the notion that Sunggyu isn't as good as Woohyun vocally to release an album?

 

 

I wonder how many of the people reading this thread think we're delulu or biased af lol

 

That's something I have thought about frequently. A part of me wishes that if that had been the case Sunggyu stans, being that majority are OT7 stans and most Sunggyu stans tend to support WooGyu more than Woohyun stans do, would have been more patient and understanding that things happen at their own time. However, being that Sunggyu up until 2013 had been neglected and questioned as main vocal, at some point I suspect many Sunggyu stans would have become intolerable to the rest of the fandom. "Sunggyu doesn't get the recognition he deserves", "Ever since their debut he hasn't gotten many activities", "How will people know what he can do if Woollim doesn't let him show it?" etc. If we assume that Sunggyu would have continued to get as many lines as he always has, some might argue that Woohyun got to have a solo first because Sunggyu gets more parts in Infinite's songs, but Sunggyu fans would argue back that it isn't the same thing. All in all, I think it would be very much like it is now if the roles had been reversed. 

The only benefit I can think of things having been done this way is that Sunggyu got to, for a time, step out of Woohyun's shadow. As it is Sunggyu, having released two solo albums, still gets placed second after Woohyun on many occasions. If Woohyun had continued to be the dominant main vocal, it would have become nearly impossible for people to stop and see Sunggyu's abilities at all. At least this way people were forced to give Sunggyu that attention. At least people were made to wonder, "why did Woollim prioritize Sunggyu in this when they have Woohyun?" Nowadays opinions are still divided, but consensus remains that the two aren't far apart in skills. That would never have happened had Sunggyu not gone solo first; if people weren't scandalized or curious to know why he was given the opportunity before Woohyun.

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This tweet though 

 

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Seriously, though. Inspirits have no faith these days.

 

 

 

 

I've seen some Woohyun stans say that Woollim should assign him composers or big name artists like they did Infinite H. That they don't care about Woohyun at all. But... wouldn't that be disregarding Woohyun's own self interests? For the ones who sure like to complain that Woollim doesn't care about Woohyun, sometimes I wonder if they themselves even care to think about Woohyun anymore. They just want Woohyun to be popular--more popular than Sunggyu. If they want to do that, then they should start spreading Woohyun around some more. Most of the Infinite or Sunggyu threads I see are started by Sunggyu stans themselves. They're woohyun's fans but they don't do anything to promote him to others.

 

I made a post asking people if they only asked for certain things to happen because they thought it would help the group succeed, because one of the members has asked for it, or because they as fans wanted it. This is precisely what I wanted people to think about. Do they want Woohyun to go solo to satisfy Woohyun's needs or their own, and to not confuse the two things. If it were only about Woohyun, then they should try to be more conscious of his needs and realize that as fans we have no grounds to infer upon what those are.

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Ok, totally random. I'm making a playlist called Feels and I'm starting with Another Me, that song is my fave intro. What other Gyu songs should I have in it? I'm gonna have it as a story so the songs will be played after another. 

 

I dont know about you but this song always gives me feels. Even if its just a hidden track.

 

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Gyuyeol 

 

 

 

By the way, did you guys know this???

 

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Edited August 22, 2015 by dopamine

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I haven't, actually. Just saw Gyu and posted it here immediately.

 

 

 

I love gyuyeol 

 

Is that true? They've had that song hidden for 2 years 

 

I want Woollim to release a special album full of Infinite's own compositions. Who knows how many hidden gems there are. I know Myungsoo has a few up his sleeve, as does Hoya.  Perhaps Dongwoo has many more as well.

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For the musical, does Sunggyu get to work with Luna at all? Or is he with Bokyung for all of them?

 

I think he has only one performance with her.

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He's so affectionate today 

 

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I don't think that's Sunggyu's mom. There was a fancam of his supposed parents a while ago, his mom is shorter, a bit older, and has smaller eyes.

 

 

 

He greets his mom here, you can see his dad too. He looks so much like his dad.

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oh i remember this vid, also sunggyu dad nose is basically sunggyu nose 

 

Sunggyu inherited his dad's nose and his mom's eyes. He looks a lot more like his dad, but I can see that he got his cuteness from his mom.

 

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Lmao the naver article for sugar man really call sunggyu "princess"  

 

Link me