ANTI-IKON 1,013 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Almost all kpop fans make baseless assumptions, some boasting about a company's success without analyzing their income statements. I would like to take the opportunity to debunk a few common ideas. Im too lazy to do more research prior to 2010. YG ENTERTAINMENT INC INCOME STATEMENT S.M. ENTERTAINMENT CO INCOME STATEMENT DMN's sources (which coincide with mine). A lot of sources I found online were not credible sources and were inaccurate including allkpop, soompi, etc. Total Revenue in 2010 SM: 96, 813 (93,659,800 USD) YG: 57, 516 (55,642,703 USD) Total Revenue in 2011 SM: 143, 002 (138,310,104 USD) YG: 78, 121 (75,576,599 USD) Total Revenue in 2012 SM: 241, 326 (234,086,220 USD) YG: 106, 551 (103,055,061 USD) Total Revenue in 2013 SM: 268, 700 (259, 883, 953 USD) YG: 116, 287 (112,477,437 USD) Total revenue in 2014 Q1 SM: 66, 883 (64,704,620 USD) YG: 43, 868 (42,439,219 USD) In millions of wons* What is revenue? A firm's revenue is the total amount received for selling all goods or services. Also called gross income, it is the total amount of money a company generates in a time period. Public kpop companies also raise funds through stocks. Net Profit in 2010 SM: 17, 117 (16, 603, 490 USD) YG: 9, 631 (9, 315,488 USD) Net Profit in 2011 SM: 22, 768 (22,084,960 USD) YG: 12,934 (12,545,980 USD) Net Profit in 2012 SM: 39, 909 (38,599,585 USD) YG: 18,758 (18,142,550 USD) Net Profit in 2013 SM: 18,793 (18,179,944 USD) YG: 15,426 (14,923,575 USD) Net Profit 2014 Q1 SM: 3, 391 (3,280,555 USD) YG: 5, 900 (5,723,000 USD) In millions of wons* It is important to not confuse revenue with profits: A firm's net profit is basically the difference betweens its revenue and its costs. Costs include both operating expenses and costs, interest, taxes and dividends. Operating profit is the difference total revenue and costs. However, operating profit does not subtract taxes. A company's growth depends on its profits, not its total revenue. Revenue is not a real measurement of a company's earnings. Their success is measured by profits. In the kpop world, revenue includes all consolidated sales from tours, CF deals, comebacks, musicals, movies, etc. Having multiple tours and comebacks in a year doesn't necessarily translate to more profit for music companies. Why? We are looking at the bigger picture here by taking into consideration costs as well as taxes that cut back on final earnings. The government takes a huge chunk out of gross revenue through taxes. I'm sure you all remember that SM recently getting a corporate tax fee of 10 million for evading taxes. lol If a company cannot manage to increase their sales while minimizing overall costs, then that can reflect a negative value of their net profit margin. Net profit margin is company's ability to convert revenue into profits. Its also an indication of a company's efficiency and control over costs. For example: Despite boasting exponential gross sales, SM reported a net loss of 27.9% from 2012 to 2013 due to increase overall expenses and decrease in exports. 0m50s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-yQ1T-AutI Since then, SM has been relying on Exo for additional revenue streams. SM’s saviors indeed. However, net losses are not necessarily detrimental to a company. Now we will compare YG and SM through a margin analysis. Margin analysis is a formula used to compare the performances between companies within the same industry: Net Profit Margin in 2010 SM: ~17.6% YG: ~16.7% Net Profit Margin 2011 SM: ~15.9% YG: ~16.5% Net Profit Margin 2012 SM: ~16.5% YG: ~17.6% Net Profit Margin 2013 SM: ~6.9% YG: ~13.3% Net Profit Margin 2014 Q1 SM: ~5.1% YG: ~13.4% I didnt convert wons into USD to compute the net profit margin. For anyone interested: JYP ENTERTAINMENT CORP INCOME STATEMENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kimchi 19,921 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 So AKMU and 2NE1 brought more profits than SNSD and TVXQ this promotion cycle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtninjago 2,190 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 And here I was about to make a snarky comment towards dmn. Then I remember he's banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Celeste 2,261 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 i dont really get the point of making comparisons like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.Jar. 734 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oprah Winfrey 2,289 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 So AKMU and 2NE1 brought more profits than SNSD and TVXQ this promotion cycle? ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Yagami 4,462 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 So basically YG is getting closer to SM, is that what I'm reading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI-IKON 1,013 Posted August 1, 2014 Author Share Posted August 1, 2014 So AKMU and 2NE1 brought more profits than SNSD and TVXQ this year? Not necessarily. SM generated a total revenue of $60 million compared to YG's $40 million. Total revenue consists of all consolidated sales meaning yes, what SNSD and TVXQ brought in was most likely a great portion of SM's total revenue which was greater than YG's $40 million during the first quarter, but costs cut back SM's profits to $2.6 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouFiel 5,381 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 do things like this just include the korean market...or does it add in others like japanese, chinese, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchi 19,921 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 ??? Net Profit 2014 Q1 SM: 3, 391 (3,280,555 USD) YG: 5, 900 (5,723,000 USD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Cole 1,068 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Wow!!! That's a lot of numbers Thank u anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sane 16,342 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 So basically SM bleeds money and YG budgets more efficiently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oprah Winfrey 2,289 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Net Profit 2014 Q1 SM: 3, 391 (3,280,555 USD) YG: 5, 900 (5,723,000 USD) it was mostly AKMU, Taeyang and Psy tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
removed929393303 15,230 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 you're way too invested in this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI-IKON 1,013 Posted August 1, 2014 Author Share Posted August 1, 2014 Net Profit 2014 Q1 SM: 3, 391 (3,280,555 USD) YG: 5, 900 (5,723,000 USD) You can't use net profit to compare how much groups generated for their company because profit subtracts costs. You would have to look at both groups combined contributed to their respective company's gross sales and then compare. So basically YG is getting closer to SM, is that what I'm reading? Due to increasing costs for SM and other things, yes. But if SM's management improves their control costs, they could easily surpass YG by a landslide. do things like this just include the korean market...or does it add in others like japanese, chinese, etc? Yes, total revenue includes everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cytherial 4,589 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Q1 Net Profit Margin 2014 SM: ~5.1% YG: ~13.4% ______________________________________________ I don't know how much margin are from the digital department but I'm sure its an integral boost from YG, look at that difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dishdash 1,556 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 omg i tbh it was hard to follow this but i get when you were trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly 1,081 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I miss dmn at time like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cytherial 4,589 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 You can't use net profit to compare how much groups generated for their company because profit subtracts costs. You would have to look at both groups combined contributed to their respective company's gross sales and then compare. Due to increasing costs for SM and other things, yes. But if SM's management improves their control costs, they could easily surpass YG by a landslide. i doubt if thats going to be a pc of cake considering how much man power they have particularly in with their groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezgiT 3,098 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 So AKMU and 2NE1 brought more profits than SNSD and TVXQ this promotion cycle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchi 19,921 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 it was mostly AKMU, Taeyang and Psy tho Q1 Is only through April or march though I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI-IKON 1,013 Posted August 1, 2014 Author Share Posted August 1, 2014 you're way too invested in this. And here I was about to make a snarky comment towards dmn. Then I remember he's banned Manually compiling this information helped me refresh my memory and study for my classes. So basically SM bleeds money and YG budgets more efficiently Yes! i doubt if thats going to be a pc of cake considering how much man power they have particularly in with their groups. A companies' costs includes a number of things, not just their operating costs and expenses which is what the type of cost you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oprah Winfrey 2,289 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Q1 Is only through April or march though I believe. really? lol, interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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