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i mean, people are allowed to stand up for whatever they want but i honestly cannot take men's rights groups seriously. literally most of them ALWAYS have to mention feminism and it's never in a positive light either, which i don't understand because men's rights groups blaming feminism for whatever injustice society has towards men is like me blaming someone for my broken knee when i'm the one that broke it

 

what is your opinion, please share and discuss

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I think most fail to see the obvious, which is to say that when men get discriminated, because they do, (shamed for having feelings, must be "strong", macho, they're "gay" if they take care of their appearance etc..)  it's still due to patriarchy lol...which is what feminism is against... so..

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feminism = destruction of men's rights,they only focus on the issues men have, if you want gender equality you're a humanist,if i was having a mens rights discussion of course i would mention the group of neo nazi's who blame men for everything that happens and call them animals theres a very good video about this

 

 


I think most fail to see the obvious, which is to say that when men get discriminated (shamed for having feelings, must be "strong", macho etc..)  it's still because of patriarchy lol...which is what feminism is against...

why are neo feminists obsessed with that word?

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feminism = destruction of men's rights,they only focus on the issues men have, if you want gender equality you're a humanist,if i was having a mens rights discussion of course i would mention the group of neo nazi's who blame men for everything that happens and call them animals theres a very good video about this

 

 

 

why are neo feminists obsessed with that word?

 

I was going to reply to you but

 

"neo nazi's who blame men for everything that happens and call them animals"

 

lol bye

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The same people that ruin feminism ( Man haters, Tumblr snowflakes ) are the same people who are in those groups probably. They want an organization to complain under. Even though feminism is technically for everyone, whether it be a different sex, orientation, racial/ ethnic background or religion. So they foolish.

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I'm okay with them. Some of them are vile and cray but all movements have those kinds of idiots. People say the root cause of their problem is the patriarchy and so they should just become feminists... but maybe they don't feel like their voices are heard since, let's face it, in theory, feminism should be about equality for all but it's still mostly concerned with issues women face(and it isn't a bad thing, really). There's also this minor concern that some feminists would claim they're hijacking the movement when they voice out their concerns and they'll get the classic sarcastic Tumblr response of "boohoo, poor men". Men have certain privileges in our society, yes(I'm talking about the Western society). But they still do face some issues that should be addressed. If they feel like they want to create a movement they feel comfortable in and it would help them reach their objectives, it's fine with me(as long as they aren't being douche canoes about it).

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Why not just equal rights instead of one gender wanting to be superior *coughsFeministscoughs*  :hurr:

 

fem·i·nism
ˈfeməˌnizəm/
noun
 
  1. the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
     

     

     

    Nowhere does it state that feminists believe themselves to be superior to men. Are there some that do? Yes. But they are a very small, albeit loud, minority. To group all feminists into that category would be incredibly foolish. 

     

     

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it's still due to patriarchy lol...which is what feminism is against... so..

true. it's sad how so many people are uneducated about what feminism is rather than what they think it is. and i always find it laughable when people say stuff like "we don't need feminism anymore, we need humanism" because there wasn't any major social movement that was for gender-equality before feminism, and "humanism" isn't what most people think it is lol

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fem·i·nism
ˈfeməˌnizəm/
noun
 
  1. the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
     

     

     

    Nowhere does it state that feminists believe themselves to be superior to men. Are there some that do? Yes. But they are a very small, albeit loud, minority. To group all feminists into that category would be incredibly foolish. 

     

     

 

No dear, it's just realistic.

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I think most fail to see the obvious, which is to say that when men get discriminated, because they do, (shamed for having feelings, must be "strong", macho, they're "gay" if they take care of their appearance etc..)  it's still due to patriarchy lol...which is what feminism is against... so..

 

that's a factor but clearly not the only one, because if it were, then the acceptability (or rather lack thereof) of feminine traits in men would be proportionate to how patriarchal a society is. and it's not. south korea has less gender equality than america yet less rigid gender roles for men compared to the west. fighting patriarchy will go a long way towards reliving men of ridiculous masculinity standards but in order for it to truly change, we have address the issues directly from a cultural point of view, the way we currently do for women.

 

but a lot of feminists will try to silence anyone who wants to speak about men's issues because there's this perception that we can only focus on one sex at a time and addressing men's issues is somehow indirectly undermining women, when it's not. a lot of the issues that women face are a direct result of the male gender role. for example, women are more often victims of domestic abuse because of our culture which encourages aggression as the most acceptable "masculine" display of emotion for men.

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that's a factor but clearly not the only one, because if it were, then the acceptability (or rather lack thereof) of feminine traits in men would be proportionate to how patriarchal a society is. and it's not. south korea has less gender equality than america yet less rigid gender roles for men compared to the west. fighting patriarchy will go a long way towards reliving men of ridiculous masculinity standards but in order for it to truly change, we have address the issues directly from a cultural point of view, the way we currently do for women.

 

Yes I agree, I was doing a reeaaally synthetic series of examples, it's not that simple obviously.

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What makes you think that?

The principals and manifestos of modern-day feminists, it's no longer equality - no not at all! They want superiority, talk about being hypocrites. Of course not all are like this, though a significant proportion are, to quote your own words, dear, it 'would be incredibly foolish' and naive to think otherwise.

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Yes I agree, I was doing a reeaaally synthetic series of examples, it's not that simple obviously.

 

i don't disagree with you, i just think you were oversimplifying a more complicated issue. also i edited to add an example of how the perpetuation of male gender roles in general society actually harms women as well.

 

ftr i do identify as a feminist but i also understand why some people have gotten a distorted perception of it

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The principals and manifestos of modern-day feminists, it's no longer equality - no not at all! They want superiority, talk about being hypocrites. Of course not all are like this, though a significant proportion are, to quote your own words, dear, it 'would be incredibly foolish' and naive to think otherwise.

 

Yes, we both agree that there are in fact "feminists" who believe woman are superior. And while in my opinion, these people are in complete minority, in your opinion they make up enough of the whole demographic for you to be able to label all of feminists as such. But, still, my question was not answered. I was asking 'what makes you think this way?' 

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i don't disagree with you, i just think you were oversimplifying a more complicated issue. also i edited to add an example of how the perpetuation of male gender roles in general society actually harms women as well.

 

ftr i do identify as a feminist but i also understand why some people have gotten a distorted perception of it

 

I don't disagree with you either, we're on the same line of thoughts actaully :)

I was oversimplifying indeed, honestly I think the userbase here doesn't have the maturity do discuss this topic, as proved by some replies in this and other threads, so I gave up on writing elaborate replies. (bit lazy on my part yea)

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Yes, we both agree that there are in fact "feminists" who believe woman are superior. And while in my opinion, these people are in complete minority, in your opinion they make up enough of the whole demographic for you to be able to label all of feminists as such. But, still, my question was not answered. I was asking 'what makes you think this way?' 

'What makes me think this way'? Hmm... lets see.... factual articles and reports that I have read, as well as knowing a fair deal about that particular area of human rights... For one, the majority of the most prominent feminists fit that mould, So, therefore,  it is only logical that a significant proportion will follow these 'man-hating' women, who believe themselves to be superior.

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I think most fail to see the obvious, which is to say that when men get discriminated, because they do, (shamed for having feelings, must be "strong", macho, they're "gay" if they take care of their appearance etc..)  it's still due to patriarchy lol...which is what feminism is against... so..

 

These are diversionary from actual men's issues like unequal parenting/child support law, which certainly aren't due to patriarchy.

 

Of course it's hilarious when reactionary misogynist types adopt the language of "rights", ask for things because they are too weak to take them and because society should take pity on them, even as they try to preserve a "strong", traditional masculinity. That doesn't work.

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