Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 http://kbeat.net/archives/beat/the-problem-with-k-pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Fructose Yoongi Syrup 7,149 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 the fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchi 19,921 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 So basically fans that only check for bigger groups? Yes I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybear 462 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 This isn't just a kpop problem. You're honestly preaching to a brick wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baekslave 1,047 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 It's hard for nugus to get out of the nugu circle in Kpop, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Люцифер(official) 1,034 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 1) Companies market idols as possessions, the fans form unhealthy attachments and they are whipped into a frenzy of devotion, the company then looses control of the mob and the fans now run the show = MESS. 2) Stupidity and naivety is also rife within the kpop fan base hence the drastic reaction they have when their illusion is shattered. 3) The shirty formulaic releases are boring and monotonous. . 4) Corruption within the industry and poor treatment of employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alllysone 3,343 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 It is not only a 'kpop' problem. It applies to music industry all over the world. Kpop has its own fair share of problems unique to it, but this isn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Люцифер(official) 1,034 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Oh shame, I didn't bother to click the link. Yeah, I agree it's a lot harder for newer groups to be successful even if their songs are good quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skibop!! 8,585 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 " some people are hesitant to become a fan of lesser known artists due to the fear of possible disbandment" Me. Of the nugus I listen to, have any of them made a full comeback? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solange knowledge 1,555 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Never heard of this site before. Seems interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sofi 17,143 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 This is literally one of the most trivial problems that the industry has.. and when I watch music shows and see all these "nugu" groups, I mostly see a bunch of same dressed and same-sounding kids, with unsteady vocals and crotch grabs...definitely not all this "underrated talent" also the hipster-y undertone of the article annoys me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Fei 742 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 i couldnt agree more, it's not the biggest problem but it is a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jany 4,154 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Fans themselves choose who they want to listen to and who they’d rather ignore. Yes, IGNORE, and on purpose in many cases. It may come as a shock but this subliminal choice is blocking UT artists from rising. this is so stupid. Everybody's free to listen to whoever they want tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterpretiveDanceQuarterly 11 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I definitely agree with the article in the link. I've seen someone say something like "what hard work? if they actually worked then they would be popular." U-Kiss is worked to the bone only to be called a failed group that hasn't won any music show awards. They're constantly touring Japan and releasing music left and right. I don't necessarily agree with all the music they release, but to overlook their effort and time into this business and other "nugu" groups' effort is totally disrespectful. Edit: Wait, I didn't quite word that properly. By overlook, I don't mean that they should listen to them, but calling them nugu can be insulting and dismissing the fact that they are just as talented as more popular groups. I'm not against popular groups at all, but it's the fans that insult groups for not being popular that get on my nerves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena 21,718 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 It's not most people faults though. The bigger and more popular groups have more comebacks and more promotions. People fear stanning nugus because they might disband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss.Miss 8,896 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 The main problem is that the industry isn't diverse enough to allow different kinds of successes so most resort to following each other and hoping to share a piece of the same pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightMelancholy 550 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 " some people are hesitant to become a fan of lesser known artists due to the fear of possible disbandment" Me. Of the nugus I listen to, have any of them made a full comeback? No Same. I like a lot of nugus, but I'm scared of becoming a fan. I don't want to feel disappointed and heartbroken if they disband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_ana 558 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Nugus being stuck.... so terrible.... And the few trifling fans in at least every fandom.... sadly.... but after while you know how to ignore them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta77 985 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I think this problem can apply to any artist that is coming from an Independent label or lesser know label because those bigger companies have the money to promote the heck out of their group and influence the radio and television programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanHyorin2015 3,979 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Too childish, and kpop groups give too much power for fans, what is a dumb thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candykiss 2,124 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I really enjoyed the article it speaks ALOT of truth This part <3 While I understand that some people are hesitant to become a fan of lesser known artists due to the fear of possible disbandment, there are plenty of artists who have stuck in the industry for over three years, regardless of their success. Why? Because aside from their contract, many of these artists are passionate about music and performance. They aren’t embarrassing themselves just because they haven’t won a mutizen award from a music show (as I like to call the plastic-popularity contest award). They have determination and I applaud them for sticking through for so long. Supernova, Sunny Hill and Tri-Tops are just some examples of these types of artists; they’ve all been in the industry for over six years, without being decorated by many–if any–awards, yet their strong will allows them to continue to do what they love. There are others who don’t want to be part of a “nugu fandom†because they’ll be disappointed with their group unable to win anything. Because this is the mindset of the majority of K-Pop fans out there, this is exactly what tends to happen. If this mindset were to be changed, the K-Pop industry itself would be altered as well, helping bring about those with talent rather than just a label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutella 6,108 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 So basically fans that only check for bigger groups? Yes I agree. 1) Companies market idols as possessions, the fans form unhealthy attachments and they are whipped into a frenzy of devotion, the company then looses control of the mob and the fans now run the show = MESS. 2) Stupidity and naivety is also rife within the kpop fan base hence the drastic reaction they have when their illusion is shattered. 3) The shirty formulaic releases are boring and monotonous. . 4) Corruption within the industry and poor treatment of employees. ^ a lot of fans also only follow successful groups (bandwagon fans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haewon 1,847 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Most of the companies lack marketing skills and art directors with great vision tbh. They want to appeal to all the masses and fail because of that. SM focuses on the big kpop fandom and fangirls while YG to the general public(especially the youth); that's why they are successful. B1A4 is a good example too; they appeal to middle school girls the most. It saddens me that Nine Muses aren't popular because I really like their music and talent. Their aesthetic is just not appealing to a lot of people imo. Heavy makeup and styling that make them look old and tacky + intimidating concepts. ugh Ticket and News are some of the best kpop songs out there and it's sad a lot of people don't know about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share Posted July 18, 2014 this is so stupid. Everybody's free to listen to whoever they want tho Same. I like a lot of nugus, but I'm scared of becoming a fan. I don't want to feel disappointed and heartbroken if they disband. This is literally one of the most trivial problems that the industry has.. and when I watch music shows and see all these "nugu" groups, I mostly see a bunch of same dressed and same-sounding kids, with unsteady vocals and crotch grabs...definitely not all this "underrated talent" also the hipster-y undertone of the article annoys me lol @sofi The fake hiphop trend started early 2012. But the groups mentioned in the article (ESPECIALLY The Boss) aren't like that. They have the best vocals I've heard from a male group. People who use the "too many rookies" excuse need to look at groups pre-2011 too. And my bad for sounding like a hipster. @The Jany Of course people have a choice in what they want to do. But it's a crappy mindset and highly elitist when you only like popular groups. @Skibop!! What UT artists do you listen to? The Boss, Cross Gene, Sunny Hill, M.I.B have all had a comeback either this year or last year. The fear of disbandment leads to not wanting to become a fan of groups right? And then the unknown artist stays unknown. And this is why the mindset needs to be changed. To all those who said it's not only in K-Pop, I realize that. This specific article was targeted at K-Pop fans, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sofi 17,143 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 @sofi The fake hiphop trend started early 2012. But the groups mentioned in the article (ESPECIALLY The Boss) aren't like that. They have the best vocals I've heard from a male group. People who use the "too many rookies" excuse need to look at groups pre-2011 too. And my bad for sounding like a hipster. @The Jany Of course people have a choice in what they want to do. But it's a crappy mindset and highly elitist when you only like popular groups. @Skibop!! What UT artists do you listen to? The Boss, Cross Gene, Sunny Hill, M.I.B have all had a comeback either this year or last year. The fear of disbandment leads to not wanting to become a fan of groups right? And then the unknown artist stays unknown. And this is why the mindset needs to be changed. To all those who said it's not only in K-Pop, I realize that. This specific article was targeted at K-Pop fans, though. So, since you made me curious I watched a few music shows performances of the groups you listed and... I don't understand why exactly I should feel impressed, especially by the The Boss...performance not that different from a Beast one or whatever. I really fail to see all this underrated talent, I still stand by my opinion that most of these groups look like copies of each other with mediocre songs. Also I think the main argomentation of the article is pretty naive, why should fans be blamed when these so called "UT" lack any sort of distinctive trait on stage when compared to groups with more exposure, who are costantly on tv under their noses? If anything this is simply a product of an industry too small for every single money-hungry desperate CEO. Btw you strongly remind me of someone, you sure this isn't a dupe account lolol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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