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[angy]

3 minutes ago, Bel. said:

105 was the perfect score before adding the 25% of thread activity.. so with both together the real perfect score would be 131.25.

The score (beside the interviews) were really close the whole time tho, like everyone had high scores. Its really the interviews and the thread activity that made the final verdict. Even if you ended up third on tasks, u still got a good score (like sometimes 0.5 difference in score) so that's why maybe in your eyes you didn't smash that much, but in fact you did smash that much.

105 is just the total of all tasks: 15x7 cause 7 tasks you had if we count survey.

 

this is why Ill never be teacher material cause I cant explain it to you clear enough help

Oh is that so

I honestly wasn't really keeping up with the scores, i just knew we weren't first rsrsrs but makes sense if that's the case

My mind is totally clear now phew

Thanks for ur explanations dulcibella, u explained well, i can go sleep in peace   

[Elscian]

1 hour ago, Bel. said:

25% of 105 (the total achievable in the game if you had a perfect score in everything) is 26.25%

its not 25% for 441.. which is the additional points.. cause that would be way too much. You could just spam and win because of that, wouldn't make sense wouldn't it.

To have the full mark you had to have the biggest activity. It's why 441 is considered full mark, so everyone below it will have their points reduced in consequence.
If 441 was 26.25
then the second biggest 184 would be 10.93 in this case... just do your division.
and 39 was 2.31 for instance.. because of the big gap that 441 made.

Anyway.. those points didn't make a difference in the end game anyway, as everyone stayed in their bracket either way, but it brought you closer to winning.
Yall are trying to ask me to explain math... like I can correctly tell you myself. I feel like im clear enough. I dont know how to make it clearer.

And ig that makes sense why it was actually only 5% of sns scores in the end.

Spoiler

Optional reading for uni students:

When a school or uni tells you your assignments will be 60% of your total and your final exam will be 40% of your total what it means is, for example:

Assignment: you got 30 out of 55 total marks

Final exam: you got 60 out of total 100 marks

So your grades: 60% of 30 + 40% of 60 = 42

Now if you want to calculate your final grades in percentage,  then you have to make sure that all of your points are in percentage. So:

Total achievable marks: (60% of 55 + 40% of 75) = 73. Your final percentage: 42/73 % = 57%

If you say something will be 40% of final scores, what it means is that 40% of your final score should come from that something (exam). Now it makes a huge difference if you change the % of exams and assignments around. In the game scenario however, the rest of the scores were not even in % so what the 25% of sns actually means is, 25% of sns will be bonus points. We have established the foundation kek.

Now with this exam scenario, it's easier because there is a full achievable marks. But with sns there isnt, so the score was capped to a full achievable marks of 105 (inchrestimg choice of number, total of other tasks = highest sns marks because..)  Which means its actually 25% of 441 and a further 23.81% of that (the cap which is calculated by changingthe highest mark to 105, so 105/441 * 100). So overall its actually only 5.95% of sns (0.25x0.2381). Like I mentioned,  it makes a huge difference when you change the% around (capp the percentage counted from 25 to 5). 

I don't have a problem with this,  and actually I thought the submissions game winners deserve more. But ya know, I do think the final scoring was vastly and totallynotsuspiciously different from what we had been told initially.  Was it because of someone's complaint?

I don't mind a change but if we had been told from before, that no matter how much you post it will be capped, we would not spend so much effort in writing some of our essays and readings.  If all of it is really spam, and if it is that easy, what was stopping the others (aka the snake who complained) from posting a lot too? I only wish the scoring was more transparent to others and not just a sudden cap in the finale.

Anyway it is actually more interesting this way tbh. It's more of a real representation of the kpop scenario. Sakura may have had the votes but she wasn't Korean enough or talented enough for mnet to give ha those points. Produce teas

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by han zafar

[Bel.]

18 minutes ago, han zafar said:

And ig that makes sense why it was actually only 5% of sns scores in the end.

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Optional reading for uni students:

When a school or uni tells you your assignments will be 60% of your total and your final exam will be 40% of your total what it means is, for example:

Assignment: you got 30 out of 55 total marks

Final exam: you got 60 out of total 100 marks

So your grades: 60% of 30 + 40% of 60 = 42

Now if you want to calculate your final grades in percentage,  then you have to make sure that all of your points are in percentage. So:

Total achievable marks: (60% of 55 + 40% of 75) = 73. Your final percentage: 42/73 % = 57%

If you say something will be 40% of final scores, what it means is that 40% of your final score should come from that something (exam). Now it makes a huge difference if you change the % of exams and assignments around. In the game scenario however, the rest of the scores were not even in % so what the 25% of sns actually means is, 25% of sns will be bonus points. We have established the foundation kek.

Now with this exam scenario, it's easier because there is a full achievable marks. But with sns there isnt, so the score was capped to a full achievable marks of 105 (inchrestimg choice of number, special meaning?)  Which means its actually 25% of 441 and a further 23.81% of that (the cap). So overall its actually only 5.95% of sns (0.25x0.2381). Like I mentioned,  it makes a huge difference when you change the% around (capp the marks from 25 to 5). 

I don't have a problem with this,  and actually I thought the submissions game winners deserve more. But ya know, I do think the final scoring was vastly and totallynotsuspiciously different from what we had been told initially.  Was it because of someone's complaint?

I don't mind a change but if we had been told from before, that no matter how much you post it will be capped, we would not spend so much effort in writing some of your essays and readings.  If all of it is really spam, and if it is that easy, what was stopping the others (aka the snake who complained) from posting a lot too? I only wish the scoring was more transparent to others and not just a sudden cap in the finale.

Anyway it is actually more interesting this way tbh. It's more of a real representation of the kpop scenario. Sakura may have had the votes but she wasn't Korean enough or talented enough for mnet to give ha those points. Produce teas

 

I never took math in English cause all my life I did it in French (English isn't my first language). I don't know all the aspects of this, but the way I calculated it didn't change from the initial opening statement (I said its 25% of final score and It is still 25% of final score). Now you might be confused because I didn't write it the English proper way, and for that I apologize cause I don't know the math terms for it in English.

But I want to specify that I didn't just decided to do it that way, it was always going to be that way since the start. There is no shady business, you making it up.

When you say we wouldn't have spend so much efforts. Disagree here. By posting a lot you made a big gap between your points and the other team points. The second team only got 10 points this time while you had 26. But if you had the double or triple of that 441 and they all stayed the same... they would have got abysmal points. It's proportional on how big the gap is. It is strategic to make the gap bigger... than just stop because you are in the lead and the other team has almost as much points as you cause then you don't make any real points on top of it since they almost gained the same amount.

Anyway, I didn't make a change, it was always gonna be this way. Its a fair amount as well. There is no reason to argue.

 

[Elscian]

23 minutes ago, Bel. said:

I never took math in English cause all my life I did it in French (English isn't my first language). I don't know all the aspects of this, but the way I calculated it didn't change from the initial opening statement (I said its 25% of final score and It is still 25% of final score). Now you might be confused because I didn't write it the English proper way, and for that I apologize cause I don't know the math terms for it in English.

But I want to specify that I didn't just decided to do it that way, it was always going to be that way since the start. There is no shady business, you making it up.

When you say we wouldn't have spend so much efforts. Disagree here. By posting a lot you made a big gap between your points and the other team points. The second team only got 10 points this time while you had 26. But if you had the double or triple of that 441 and they all stayed the same... they would have got abysmal points. It's proportional on how big the gap is. It is strategic to make the gap bigger... then just stop because you are in the lead and the other team has almost as much points as you cause then you don't make any real points on top of it since they almost gained the same amount.

Anyway, I didn't make a change, it was always gonna be this way. Its a fair amount as well. There is no reason to argue.

 

Its 25% of total scores, after the highest scores is converted to 105. The 105 is the new info for us basically  idt it has much to do with English. 

This conversion reduces the final scores, because.. when rest of the points are not in percentage, and you're adding extra points which is calculated based on percentage, it does not work proportionally. You could try by adding the actual 25% of total sns scores, the final points would be different.

I highly doubt it was meant to be the same way (maybe after 1st round?) because then we would have been told about this 105 from the start instead of just a "25% of total scores". That way we all could easily calculate the 5.95% that actually was the sns percentage and not 25. And expecting someone to post double or triple of 400 posts is.....hard to digest.

so yeah we wouldn't even put that much effort knowing we are expected to make 800 posts to cover up the points. 

Its simply my observation about the scoring.  I don't wish for a change or anything.  I'm saying only if it helps anyone with similar scoring methods next time.

Edit: btw there's no need to apologise.  Not that there was anything wrong about the planning,  we just didn't know about it.

Edited October 7, 2022 by han zafar

[Frandae]

I still can't believe we won for real omg

First I wanted to thank my two teammates a lot for enduring with my annoying and paranoid self 24/7; I know I can be too much sometimes and I should have been more outside of my shell for some stuff, I'll work on that in the future. But really, thank you so much for being with me and working on this project together, I'm truly glad and happy I was able to work with you both as a team and that we could try new things (looking at you gifs smh lmao) and improve ourselves. It was a blast and I hope we have more chances in the future to work on stuff together; love ya cuties @hoonieand @Zack Morris♥

Thank you so much to hosts too! It's true that at the beginning schedules/dates seemed a bit rough and tight to me but, as it was already mentioned, it's also because I'm also too perfectionist and I felt I had to change and improve some of the stuff I did to make it 100% (and even then I'm still not quite happy with some stuff I did cause I can see I can make it better buut lmao). You all did an amazing job hosting all this and dealing with all the teams and tasks on the spot (I'm also really sorry to hear that you had personal stuff going on and that you even got sick, I hope you feel better now ♥). So all in all, thank you for hosting this, you all did an amazing job!

Last but not least, thanks to the other teams too! You all did amazing stuff out there (that lowkey made me jealous tbh lmao), you all were super creative and skilled too and it was a pleasure to see your kpop groups coming to life.

Wew not at me writing a whole thesis lmao (see this happens when you don't post much; you rant for years in one post and go lmaao). Again, thank you so much everyone! ♥

[Moodz]

I am the least confrontational person I just want to say that the game is over and the points aren't going to change, contesting Bel and arguing amongst yourselves won't change it either 

Also it's kind of sad to hear that if the way the points were counted would have stopped you from posting so much, it should be something you like to do not something that you feel the need to do so you will win, since the main point of the game was to have fun, we stressed this many times

I'll leave now

[Bel.]

23 minutes ago, han zafar said:

Its 25% of total scores, after the max scores is converted to 105. The 105 is the new info for us basically

This conversion reduces the final scores, because.. when rest of the points are not in percentage, and you're adding extra points which is calculated based on percentage, it does not work proportionally. You could try by adding the actual 25% of total sns scores, the final points would be different.

I highly doubt it was meant to be the same way because then we would have been told about this 105 from the start instead of just a "25% of total sns scores". That way we all could easily calculate the 5.95% that actually was the sns percentage and not 25. And expecting someone to post double or triple of 400 posts is.....hard to digest.

so yeah we wouldn't even put that much effort knowing we are expected to make 800 posts to cover up the points. 

Its simply my observation about the scoring.  I don't wish for a change or anything.  I'm saying only if it helps anyone with similar scoring methods next time.

ugh? That doesn't make sense at all. You are twisting everything I'm saying.

25% of the final score. Is what I wrote, not 25% of total sns score. It was always stated its final score. I told that each upvotes and posts count as 1 point to give an idea to people to know that those are the two things that will be important for their Company Thread.

There is no need for the hosts to go in grand details about how we count points because this is a game we do for fun, for free, in our own time, and we give the most important info (in this case, how to make points towards it) and not the whole mathematical equation in how it's gonna come to the final score. This isn't a school class girl.

105 is no conversion, it was always that. its just every x/15 tasks all together. I gave you tabs on the points during the game.

Again, the post count was an example.. no one expected you to get 400+ points towards it. I just meant it that if you had 400 and everyone else had 10, the gap is bigger and you get a lot of points, which was the whole purpose. If every teams got 10 points, then everyone would have got their extra 25%. It was just to show that the bigger the gap between you and the other teams was, the more points you would get. Rewarding activity.

So no, you didn't do this for nothing. If you think its still not worth the effort then idk what to tell you.. beside stop taking Onehallyu games that seriously.

 

[Elscian]

1 minute ago, Moodz said:

I am the least confrontational person I just want to say that the game is over and the points aren't going to change, contesting Bel and arguing amongst yourselves won't change it either 

Also it's kind of sad to hear that if the way the points were counted would have stopped you from posting so much, it should be something you like to do not something that you feel the need to do so you will win, since the main point of the game was to have fun, we stressed this many times

I'll leave now

The issue is that you think we want the points to change or is in a contest with the hosts? If we have a question we can ask, if we don't agree with an explanation,  it's fine to say so. I would never take it personally if a gamer asked me these things during my game. 

Some people like logical discussions,  doesn't have to be taken so personally or as an argument. I appreciate bels response regardless of my disagreement.  That's about it.

And yes competition is fun. Some gamers like the competition more so than posting for fun because we can do thay anywhere else. 

I honestly could never understand why any questions or disagreements are taken so seriously in some if these OH games and you are accused for arguing. Not everyone will say oh okay great game bye, I hope people understand that someday instead of accusing everyone of arguing. 

[Elscian]

2 minutes ago, Bel. said:

ugh? That doesn't make sense at all. You are twisting everything I'm saying.

25% of the final score. Is what I wrote, not 25% of total sns score. It was always stated its final score. I told that each upvotes and posts count as 1 point to give an idea to people to know that those are the two things that will be important for their Company Thread.

There is no need for the hosts to go in grand details about how we count points because this is a game we do for fun, for free, in our own time, and we give the most important info (in this case, how to make points towards it) and not the whole mathematical equation in how it's gonna come to the final score. This isn't a school class girl.

105 is no conversion, it was always that. its just every x/15 tasks all together. I gave you tabs on the points during the game.

Again, the post count was an example.. no one expected you to get 400+ points towards it. I just meant it that if you had 400 and everyone else had 10, the gap is bigger and you get a lot of points, which was the whole purpose. If everyone else got 10 points, then everyone would have got their extra 25%. It was just to show that the bigger the gap between you and the other teams was, the more points you would get. Rewarding activity.

So no, you didn't do this for nothing. If you think its still not worth the effort then idk what to tell you.. beside stop taking Onehallyu games that seriously.

 

I edited my post btw. Even if 105 is total points for other tasks, converting sns to 105 is unrelated unless specified.  There's no way one would know. But well it does makes sense if it was planned that way.

Btw I was asking as I always do, is it serious, did we wanna win? No?

If you think people should stop taking OH games seriously then so should you. The only thing that pissed me throughout this game is your uncalled for fuck off in my dm. So I find it a bit funny that moodz is taking one side when it hurts to have a host say such uncalled for things because apparently..everyone else was complaining too.

So you see, some people talk publicly, others fight you secretly. Cant call only one of them out.

[Cheese_it]

7 hours ago, han zafar said:

And we would also like to know which snake complained about our activity behind our backs. Reveal yourself thanks cause we figured out already

 

You know what they are called? Wimps

you get some people who complain the forum is dead. But when a thread is popping, they are like "StOp ThIs"

[minniemoo]

Thanks for hosting @Bel. and @Moodz  i can't imagine how stressful this has been lol you're superhumans  

About the company stamp and the won's, do I have to redeem them somewhere or do I just wait to have them given to me?

[Bel.]

1 minute ago, minniemoo said:

Thanks for hosting @Bel. and @Moodz  i can't imagine how stressful this has been lol you're superhumans  

About the company stamp and the won's, do I have to redeem them somewhere or do I just wait to have them given to me?

the won and plats will be given by the event team when they will get time.

For the stamp, talk to your team about what you want to do and you can dm me about it!

[Crescent]

Thanks for hosting the event, I did not participate as much as I wish I did so I wanted to apologize for that since the hosts and judges put a lot of effort into making the whole thing fun

Our team did have some timezone issues but we managed to slowly work something out so I'm happy of that, we mostly did not play to win but to have fun as you could see from our attempts at participating ctfu

All teams did an amazing job I loved reading your posts and the stuff yall came up with >__< Also glad for the friends I made thru this event ♥

[Chiharu]

Sadly, I wasn't able to participate in this event bc I didn't really have time for it, but I was observing it, and @Bel. I just want you to know that I think you did a great job! Hosting a long game like this is no easy task, especially when it drags on for longer than intended, but it seems like most people had fun, and I also had fun observing, so I'd say your hard work paid off!

I hope any complainers won't get to you and make you feel like you did a bad job or discourage you from ever hosting again in the future. After all, you can't please everyone, and I'm sure you handled any dissatisfaction and whining better than I would have . Also, a certain someone frequently interrogates the hosts in these games, so don't feel too bad about it.

[krystalized]

On 10/7/2022 at 6:53 PM, Moodz said:

Also it's kind of sad to hear that if the way the points were counted would have stopped you from posting so much, it should be something you like to do not something that you feel the need to do so you will win, since the main point of the game was to have fun, we stressed this many times

I thought u were talking about my comment, lmao. Just you know what I said didn't have any ill intent. Also, I agree with you on the point of this (and any other) game is TO HAVE FUN. People plz, don't make it too hard on hosts! (there's so much effort behind the scenes that u might not see and btw who else is gonna give free WONS and TOKENS? apart from sugars xD) I think everybody knows by now events can be stressful and competitive for players, but shouldn't you leave the stress all behind once it ends?

I came back to read this kinda messy threat, which is kinda sad since most of the comments should be of good vibes. And well, just positive things from now on please! The hosts deserve a big hug and a round of applause! also, all the ones who played!

 

[Moodz]

4 hours ago, krystalized said:

I thought u were talking about my comment, lmao. Just you know what I said didn't have any ill intent. Also, I agree with you on the point of this (and any other) game is TO HAVE FUN. People plz, don't make it too hard on hosts! (there's so much effort behind the scenes that u might not see and btw who else is gonna give free WONS and TOKENS? apart from sugars xD) I think everybody knows by now events can be stressful and competitive for players, but shouldn't you leave the stress all behind once it ends?

I came back to read this kinda messy threat, which is kinda sad since most of the comments should be of good vibes. And well, just positive things from now on please! The hosts deserve a big hug and a round of applause! also, all the ones who played!

 

hsdjfhsdfs pls i wasn't talking about you dw  and yes i agree with everything you said, wise krys

[Trashie]

All wons have been sent

 

Thank you bel and moodz for hosting such a great event

congrats everyone you did amazing

[Bel.]

About the Company Stamp
you have 1 month to redeem it to me in pm (the faster you do the earlier you get the stamp!) so talk to your team about it!
 I will need an hex code (color), and some gifs to put under (the general rule of it is 1 gif per user in the stamp)
You don't have to put them together I can do that.

Just remember to claim it as soon as possible!