[NB] Netizens incredulous to believe ADOR's 'Cookie' clarification

[Youahaen]

ADOR continues to clarify that New Jeans' 'Cookie' "had no intention of sexualization" in the lyrics

 

Article: Teen girl group 'New Jeans' under controversy for s*xualization in lyrics

Source: Chosun via Naver

1. [+366, -25] Their CEO must be unbelievably ignorant to use "cookie" in a song sung by minors when it's slang that I heard everyone using to mean "getting some cookie tonight" when I studied and worked abroad in the US. I was horrified to read the lyrics and see phrases like "look at my cookie! eat my cookie! do you want my cookie? take it!" Any English speaker will know what cookie actually stands for. To claim that you "didn't know" is so incredibly ignorant.

2. [+329, -20] Remember Loli IU? Spilling milk on her stomach, all the energy leaving her body... sucking on a milk bottle while staring at the camera. This is all in her music video but if you try to talk about any of it, she'll sue you and get you to shut your mouth. How is she human?
- [+35, -0] I think people would faint if they saw IU's music video for '23' ㅋㅋ
- [+29, -2] In that music video, why is she putting on lipstick... why is she staring straight ahead with a milk bottle.. why is she sucking on a milk bottle? Why is she laying there like that? It doesn't even look like she's posing to fall asleep... and why is there milk on her one piece near her stomach? (if she spilled it while drinking, why did it spill specifically on her stomach?) But I guess it's okay because the music video director is an adult male? And the singer is an adult female? An adult woman who can visit the sick and all.
- [+20, -1] There's a scene where she's wearing a dress and laying there with her legs in an A pose, spread wide.. it was really shocking. The dog kibble, dog bowl, bed... when the flower vase gets knocked over, it's not water that spills out of it but milk

3. [+196, -38] I don't get how you can have minors dancing to lyrics with such meaning while dressed in clothes that you would see in any red light district. 

4. [+63, -9] Their marketing is probably geared towards lolita fetishists

5. [+33, -0] Noise marketing. They probably wrote these lyrics fully intending for all of these double meanings to get read.

6. [+26, -0] The agency knew what they were doing when they produced this. It's just odd that this song is what caught everyone's attention, but if you take a deeper look at the lyrics of other famous groups or solos, you'll notice that this is a common trend. They'll use all sorts of s*xual phrasing to act like they're meaning something else, but what can you do when that's what sells in the end?

7. [+26, -2] I get that we're in a K-Pop Hallyu boom but what are companies doing with such young kids.. this seems highly problematic

8. [+26, -4] Hul... their agency is crazy. How can they think doing this to such young kids is okay? Is all that matters to them the money in the end? Bang Shi Hyuk, what are you doing?

9. [+22, -1] It bothers me that it's so obvious their company knew what they were doing with these lyrics but now they're like "oh we didn't mean it that way"... it's time to cut them off!!

10. [+21, -1] Bang Shi Hyuk's girl group history: Glam disbanded because member Dahee blackmailed top actor Lee Byung Hun, Kim Garam left Le Sserafim over school bullying rumors, New Jeans has a minor member born in 2008 singing a s*xualized song called 'Cookie'

11. [+17, -0] Their agency is totally lying by saying they had no idea... No wonder when I listened to the song I kept getting weird vibes from it. Not only the lyrics but their dancing felt weird to me too. Why would you take such normal kids and make them do these things when there are so many other ways you could've marketed them? I don't know if it's Min Hee Jin losing her touch or she's just really this dumb but it has to be one of them...

12. [+13, -1] Hearing that these artists don't even know what lyrics they're singing about makes them seem like soulless robots who just do what they're told

13. [+11, -0] Their agency must really take us for fools ㅋ how dare you think we'd ever believe an excuse like "cookie's actually about burning a CD" when we all know that producers go through great lengths to write these songs? ㅋㅋ Even a choding wouldn't believe such an excuse.

14. [+9, -0] Making minors sing such a song? Just kick them out of this industry.

15. [+5, -0] They purposely marketed these kids in a s*xual manner and are now blaming the public for being p*rverts just for noticing and calling it out. Their agency is the devil.

 

Netizens incredulous to believe ADOR's 'Cookie' clarification

Article: New Jeans on 'Cookie' controversy, "It's not meant to mean the slang, it's an unnecessary concern"

Source: Everyday Economy via Naver

1. [+444, -31] I kept thinking the lyrics sounded weird. It's all about seducing a man with a cookie? How he'll eat one and want more and come over for some more? It's way more natural to think the cookie means something else which is why it's so problematic.

2. [+228, -20] If that's how Americans are reading it in their culture... then I don't see how these lyrics can be taken any other way. These are teen minors singing it. It's embarrassing that K-Pop is writing such lyrics.

3. [+217, -19] Cookie is not an uncommon slang like they're trying to say. And it makes no sense that they had an American native confirm that... because of course if you just ask about the word 'cookie', sure it sounds normal since anyone can say "want a cookie?" or "I have cookies at home"... but to have a girl group dance along to it in an ambiguous manner... it totally means the slang version. Sure, it might mean something else in Australia or New Zealand but ask any adult in the US, Canada, or UK, and show them the music video alongside it. Any normal person would freak out.

4. [+155, -9] New Jeans noise marketing is no joke

5. [+72, -4] You can't hide the truth like this. Anyone in the idol industry knows that Min Hee Jin has been problematic with her concepts since her SM days.

6. [+62, -5] When I first heard the song, I thought it was impressive that they managed to write something so s*xual in a modern way like this. What I don't understand is why they chose to write the lyrics this way at all if they didn't want the public to assume the wrong way? No matter how hard I try to pass on this... the members are just too young. None of this would've been a problem had they been any older.

7. [+52, -2] Burning a CD? Are the members even old enough to know what a CD looks like?

8. [+51, -3] Just be honest and admit that this is what you wanted. The song itself has such a weird vibe to it.

9. [+42, -2] They really think they can just put their hands over their eyes and act like they don't see it. Do they really think they can fool the public? Sure, maybe the younger members are too young to know anything, but you're really telling me that the producers and writers of this song had no idea? Then how are you going to explain Nicki Minaj having an entire song talking about a cookie? This agency really thinks they can hide the sky if they hold their hand up. They might get away with fooling their Korean fans but how are they going to explain this to their international fandom? Because they won't believe this at all.

10. [+40, -3] "The feeling of creating a good song, like baking a cookie" ㅋㅋㅋ Are they not able to admit to themselves that this excuse just sucks? They make 'cookie' sound like something so wholesome that this might just be a group produced by EBS after all.

11. [+29, -2] It's funny to me that they have half the song in English but are now claiming that they didn't intend it to be taken the American way ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 

12. [+20, -1] It's gotten even weirder with the agency's clarification. I think the translator/interpreter's understanding of the lyrics sounds more convincing. 

13. [+17, -2] English speaking countries are telling you that the word is used in a s*xual context so why does their agency continue to deny it? They are doing this to young kids, what are they thinking?

14. [+11, -1] This whole thing sounds like a parody... like their agency is really trying to gaslight us into thinking that you're a p*rvert if you hear it any other way than what they're telling you it means

15. [+9, -2] Just because you didn't "intend to mean it that way" doesn't mean the people didn't take the intention to mean that way. Their agency couldn't have handled it this way if they actually cared about the feedback their international fans are giving them.

16. [+8, -1] There's definitely a vibe to the song that makes it difficult to listen to with any young children around... 

17. [+4, -0] But did anyone actually expect them to be like "Oof! You totally caught us trying to make our minor members sing a s*xual song~" of course they're going to deny it ㅋㅋ

18. [+4, -0] This reminds me of FIESTAR's 'One More Time' controversy. Everyone could tell the song was about a threesome but they tried to clarify it saying it's about asking for more KakaoTalk game hearts or something, which then led to people blaming the everyone who found the lyrics problematic for being weird and whatnot, which is what's happening here.

19. [+4, -0] They claim the lyrics have been "confirmed by English literature professors, translators and interpreters, native speakers, and foreigners" but perhaps instead they should listen to the opinions of the actual consumers of New Jeans' music and how they're taking the word cookie to mean...

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source: netizenbuzz (1) , (2)

Edited August 28, 2022 by Youahaen

[lovelikewhitney]

Why are they dragging IU into this again? 

That aside, I'm glad most of these comments realize what HYBE/ADOR are doing and that it's such bs. These girls deserved better and should've had someone looking out for them. 

[Jollux]

HYBE will keep dragging this issue as long as they can keep milking attention. Cookie.

28 minutes ago, lovelikewhitney said:

Why are they dragging IU into this again? 

That aside, I'm glad most of these comments realize what HYBE/ADOR are doing and that it's such bs. These girls deserved better and should've had someone looking out for them. 

Well, their parents are pretty okay with all of this.

 

Good luck to them.

[Firestar]

2 hours ago, lovelikewhitney said:

Why are they dragging IU into this again? 

That aside, I'm glad most of these comments realize what HYBE/ADOR are doing and that it's such bs. These girls deserved better and should've had someone looking out for them. 

And missing that the entire point was IU criticizing how people (men) sexualized her when she was a child performer... like it was a grown woman literally mocking this type of gross pedo-baiting that is so prevalent in K-pop.

[Winter Bear]

I’m going to sound dramatic but I don’t trust a single parent, especially of a female idol, who lets their kid go into this business at such a young age. Meaning no one, absolutely no one is looking out for any of these young idols, they are all alone and it’s likely crushing for them to realise that fact as they get older, that the shit they went through and were made to do was abhorrent. 
 

Also fuck the shills trying to drag IU into this, they’ve completely missed the point in every way when it comes to what she had to do and what she chose to do.

[felidae]

5 hours ago, Youahaen said:

4. [+155, -9] New Jeans noise marketing is no joke

 

[sakurahanabira]

2 hours ago, Firestar said:

And missing that the entire point was IU criticizing how people (men) sexualized her when she was a child performer... like it was a grown woman literally mocking this type of gross pedo-baiting that is so prevalent in K-pop.

seriously like how can they miss the entire point of her MV? 

[sakurahanabira]

Not people missing the entire point of IU's 23 and still thinking she's promoting lolita 

That said, I'm in my 30s and was born and raised in the US my whole life, but it wasn't until the whole NewJeans Cookie controversy that I learned that cookie could be used as a sexual slang term. 

[lovelikewhitney]

On 8/28/2022 at 5:05 PM, Jollux said:

HYBE will keep dragging this issue as long as they can keep milking attention. Cookie.

Well, their parents are pretty okay with all of this.

 

Good luck to them.

pretty sure once they sign a contract, parents no longer have a say in what the company's direction for the group is. but sure