How come IVE didn't end up like post-IOI groups?

[YeoChin Fairies]

I expected good physical sales because Iz*One's fandom was crazy huge but the digital sales??? Iz*One charted decently but they didn't really have a hit as outstanding as downpour or Very Very Very. Yet with IOI having all the public attention, the groups all failed minus WJSN which got stuck in mid-tier with physical sales hard-carrying their lackluster digital sales. 

And since IVE started even stronger that Iz*One, do you think they could surpass them possibly?

 

(BTW just so I assure, I love post IOI groups specially DIA & do not mean to bring them down here. It should be obvious to most people that I am just trying to discuss the sales how they are)

[rananicolee]

People are probably just interested in them more. 

[MelanatedBeauty]

18 minutes ago, rananicolee said:

People are probably just interested in them more. 

 

[himi]

My guess is the rigging thing deeply hurt the group's reputation. A lot of people were tryna cancel them 

 

But at least IVE's debut is doing extremely well compared to post IOI group.  None of them exactly had a breakout career. This gives me hope for other post IZ*ONE groups.

[Thigh-high feminist]

Idk about all the groups created from Izone members (I've never watched Produce or paid the members much attention) but were their debus songs good cause I've's Eleven is good and the mv is eye catching?

One troublesome aspect is i feel like their agency has crossed a line (maybe not crossed but their toes are definitely on the line) with all of the alluring looks the members (all under aged, i believe) are throwing into the camera. They may have drawn the perv crowd but they aren't alone. Starship needs to tread carefully (something they aren't known to do with a gg).

Also, I may be wrong but maybe they are also benefiting from a very strong batch of 4th gen ggs (Aespa, Itzy, Purple Kiss, Stayc, Fromis, Nature, etc) and they've shown that they fit right in talent and visual wise.

Lastly, Wonyoung seems to be very popular so maybe she's also helping to draw interest?

idk but I'm happy for them and I hope they were rewarded by the agency for their win, they are off to a geat start.

[Yknocker]

Starship really did a lot of work to disconnect the 2 members from the rest of IZOne, and only allowed to associate with Kim Minju, now an actress.

[Neito]

They had a strong debut song + a smaller group + Izone was around for longer so they gained a more dedicated individual fanbase 

[Ghosty]

starship played their cards right and did exactly what every produce fan wanted. witnessing ioi and wanna one, many companies should've taken notes on what happened to post ioi groups and it kind of seems like only starship listened, lol.

they got a smaller group, they didn't prioritize the alumni members over the new members like in the case of dia, they also didn't underutilize them like gugudan (where sejeong was put in the back a lot during their debut), they had a good concept and a good debut song. it helps that starship also didn't rush out a debut, but also didn't wait too long. honestly did not expect ive to do so well digitally. 

[pinkpanda_spirit]

I've seen a lot of people saying they were gonna stan as soon as they watched their introduction videos. Even I found them so cute and entertaining and it made me want to check them out

[deobizone]

4gen it girl wonyoung 

[GetRapper]

It also helps that some of the other members besides Wonyoung and Yujin are getting attention (Liz and Leeseo in particular).

[good_morning]

1 hour ago, Yknocker said:

Starship really did a lot of work to disconnect the 2 members from the rest of IZOne, and only allowed to associate with Kim Minju, now an actress.

Eh? Any proofs?

[Quinn the Brain]

It'st just their debut (an amazing start obvi) so we can't really compare to the other groups... yet

I will say that unlike the previous post-PD101 groups, this time people talks about the group and not just about the two members, so that's good

[Quinn the Brain]

1 hour ago, good_morning said:

Eh? Any proofs?

Who is the group in your signature and from wher is the gif taken?

[Guest]

not many new members + theyre all pretty and charistmatic + catchy song with a lot of parts that get stuck in your mind + it only took a month for them to debut after they revealed the members

[Mrs. Morale]

- Different period/time.

- Most of IOI did debuted with hype (eg: Pristin & Weki Meki) but lost it over time.

- IVE just debut who knows what could happen. Pristin was the top rookie GG of 2017, look how they ended.

- Izone/Produce48 was way more popular then IOI/Produce101.

- They have the center member (ie Wonyoung). Somi was IOI's center but she debuted 2 years after they disbanded, she would've done better if she debuted few months after IOI disbanded + she's a soloist.

- They debuted with a okay song.

Edited December 8, 2021 by loveablejoy

[good_morning]

12 minutes ago, Quinn the Brain said:

Who is the group in your signature and from wher is the gif taken?

It’s SF9, the song is Tear Drop.

here’s the link for the fancam. Watch it and stan SF9

 

https://youtu.be/szzZqKaO0oE

[Regality]

ima be honest less members so its easier for the public to get into and no visual holes. 

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

wonyoung basically has it girl status and yujin is really popular too.

[YeoChin Fairies]

2 hours ago, loveablejoy said:

- Different period/time.

- Most of IOI did debuted with hype (eg: Pristin & Weki Meki) but lost it over time.

- IVE just debut who knows what could happen. Pristin was the top rookie GG of 2017, look how they ended.

- Izone/Produce48 was way more popular then IOI/Produce101.

- They have the center member (ie Wonyoung). Somi was IOI's center but she debuted 2 years after they disbanded, she would've done better if she debuted few months after IOI disbanded + she's a soloist.

- They debuted with a okay song.

There were barely any outstanding groups debuting the year which Pristin did. Their sales were good (Although Weki Meki did better in that terms) and digitally it pretty much meant nothing, they were the "ROTY" because all other rookies were even weaker digitally. If comparing 2016 roty (blackpink), 2015 (Twice/gfriend) 2018 (Gidle), Pristin's digital charting would be below average. LOVELYZ who didn't manage to win the 2014/2015 roty due to the competition was doing better than Pristin, per say.

Also IzOne's fandom is way bigger than IOI sure, but none of their songs were digitally as big as Very Very Very or Downpour. 

 

Edit: What I mean by this is that IVE's debut is by far bigger than any post-IOI group, although it is always possible that hype will die down later and their debut becomes their biggest song since this occasionally happens in Kpop.

Edited December 8, 2021 by YeoChin Fairies

[Shalnark]

The members are all likeable and starship focuses on all of them instead of giving Wonyoung the spotlight constantly. The song was a bit generic (that's not a bad thing) but the rap part made it stand out so it was likely going to be well received by both the general public and fans. They might be able to have a stable group like they had with Sistar in the past.

[hee_woo]

38 minutes ago, YeoChin Fairies said:

Also IzOne's fandom is way bigger than IOI sure, but none of their songs were digitally as big as Very Very Very or Downpour. 

That's what I was about to say, wasn't IOI stronger digitally than IZ*ONE and more liked by the gp?

Honestly, I strongly doubt they will end like Pristin, their case was a very particular and rare case caused by their own agency, ofc anything can happen, but as far as I know, Starship doesn't have that kind of history with their groups.

Edited December 8, 2021 by no_one

[Quinn the Brain]

3 hours ago, good_morning said:

Watch it and stan SF9

Oh, I will watch

 

I might stan

[Ghosty]

1 hour ago, YeoChin Fairies said:

Edit: What I mean by this is that IVE's debut is by far bigger than any post-IOI group, although it is always possible that hype will die down later and their debut becomes their biggest song since this occasionally happens in Kpop.

which i hope isn't the case. i hope it won't turn out like a dalla dalla and latata situation where the debut overshadows their next comebacks.

in another different type of success, what i've noticed is that ive actually has an international fanbase, which is helping their presence in social media immensely. usually post-produce groups have a much more loyal following in their domestic fanbase, but ive seems to have a decent following for both (obviously more in the domestic fanbase, but their international fanbase is quickly growing). it helps that izone had a big international fanbase as well compared to ioi and wanna one, groups who really had a loyal following in south korea and southeast asia in terms of international. 

[Hopkinz]

IM TELLING YOU SMALLER GROUPS WORK!  IOI fans called me crazy but I spoke the truth.

They also debuted at the just right time.  Not much competition on the charts, not too soon after Iz*one's disbandment but not too late either.

The song is good, the MV is good, and public-friendly.

It's like all the stars alligned for IVE to become a top tier group.  Starship did everything right, let's see if they keep it up.