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[spicyssamu]

2 hours ago, MinnieMax said:

Some good vocalists are not making a good singing group. Not makes them overall good performers with average or above average stage presence, vocals are dancing. I could count these kind of groups on 1 hand and no, NCT is not there for obvious reasons
Shading is kinda what all of you are do here? When many members of the groups you stan are not that much better even years after debut so like? 

name a group except mamamoo, where there are multiple good vocalists.. Ill wait..

At least SM has good vocalists, I dunno if youre shielding Enhypen, but even compared to a sub vocal like Suho/Kai/Xiumin, they are miles better than Enhypen.

[spicyssamu]

4 hours ago, MinnieMax said:

I hope they will invest in singing lessons and improve the same way Taemin did. Nothing is impossible

People here with Suju, EXO and NCT DPs/signs acting all superior makes me seriously wonder about nowadays standards. It's seriously very funny.
Aespa girls rocked their encore stage 

3rd and 5th counting from the left have some real potential to get better faster than others if they will take lessons. I hope they will. 

funny that youre mentioning Suju, EXO, NCT etc, because their vocal line up is really good and Im curious what groups you consider good then? 

Aespas Ningning and Winter are both average technique wise and all the groups you mentioned have better vocalists than them. So who else? And no, TVXQ doesnt qualify, Changmin is Weak-Average at best.

[LinaRinaMina]

21 minutes ago, spicyssamu said:

name a group except mamamoo, where there are multiple good vocalists.. Ill wait..

At least SM has good vocalists, I dunno if youre shielding Enhypen, but even compared to a sub vocal like Suho/Kai/Xiumin, they are miles better than Enhypen.

CSJH at their prime they're SM

Big Mama aren't kpop but they're there. 

17 minutes ago, spicyssamu said:

funny that youre mentioning Suju, EXO, NCT etc, because their vocal line up is really good and Im curious what groups you consider good then? 

Aespas Ningning and Winter are both average technique wise and all the groups you mentioned have better vocalists than them. So who else? And no, TVXQ doesnt qualify, Changmin is Weak-Average at best.

. Ningning is a A-AA imo but where she is on that scale we still don't know yet. 

SM's earlier bgs are tragic with vocals but they were better than Enhypen pretty sure. 

 

[sasha]

yeah, it's not good. esp in contrast with Aespa. Hybe needs to up their game. they're the biggest company at the moment, they can have their pick. both in trainees and in teachers - they can have the best. either we'll see the improvement in their future gps or it's gonna cement as one of the biggest "wtf" in kpop history - hype and their vocals.

[spicyssamu]

17 minutes ago, LinaRinaMina said:

CSJH at their prime they're SM

Big Mama aren't kpop but they're there. 

. Ningning is a A-AA imo but where she is on that scale we still don't know yet. 

SM's earlier bgs are tragic with vocals but they were better than Enhypen pretty sure. 

 

csjh has Lina as a standout and Dana as a solid AA, I would comapre her to Soshis Seohyun/Jessica. Thats around the same as most SM groups..

Ningning is too inconsistent yet and theres too little live material for her right now.. She has B4 down, but Im not sure about C5/C#5 and we have like less than 10 clips to judge and some of her performances are very off tbh and she doesnt sound as connected/supported as in the studio or other times.

Big Mama arent kpop so they dont count.

I agree with the rest.

[Ori]

3 hours ago, MinnieMax said:

Mamamoo is a nice, talented group with this I agree   
I don't care about NCT enough to shade them. Mark is a talented individual and they have a few nice vocalists (sorry, don't know names might be Tael you are talking about) but overall lots of them need to improve too.  And I hope they will

I would take you seriously if you weren’t having that Changmin pp… They don’t need your approval. Worry about Changmin killing his throat instead of unsuccessfully dragging more talented people. Asking for others to improve when your own fave haven’t is very hypocritical.

 

Edited October 24, 2021 by Oriane

[peach0827]

On 10/22/2021 at 6:54 PM, pinkpanda_spirit said:

Enhypen
original post: here

 

1. I thought that people were exaggerating but after listening to them, they really can't sing

 

2. They were off tune. Looks like you can be a singer as long as you sing with your throat

 

3. I just want this to end...

 

4. They were so off tune;;; is the original song like this???

 

5. No but there are comments saying that the tune was lower in the original song and I went to listen to it and.... it just seems like they can't sing?ㅜㅜㅜ This is seriously severe. They are not even dancing and are just singing while standing. At the minimum, they should be able to pull off their own songs. It's not like we're asking them to show us transcending skills and these are just the fundamentals... you guys are not dancers but singers no?....

 

6. I went to listen to the original song and the song itself sounded a bit weird? It sounded so machine-made? I'm surprised that they even sold 600K albums

 

7. What the... this is way too severe;;;

 

8. I don't know the song but I can tell that they were off tune.... they weren't even singing on the same key among themselves... 

 

9. You don't need to know the song to know that they were off key... there's not one member who did well

 

10. I get that as long as you have popularity, it's fine but this is just not it...... I hope they get more training

 

11. I thought that people were making a fuss again but this is severe

 

12. I heard the middle schoolers next to my house sing like that.......ㅠ

 

13. Ah... at least be on key... this is too severe

 

14. Practice a bit

 

15. What is this.... I bet that fans will like it anyways so..

 

16. They were off key the whole time. I'm not even sure what the song is supposed to sound like...

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ngl i like enhypen and they hold a special place in my heart because i watched them on i-land, but i agree, their singing talents are mediocre at best.

anyone who watched i-land will know that the only notable vocalists in the group are heeseung and maybe jungwon. some of the members are quite literally tone deaf. however, the tone deaf members are amazing, above average dancers. so i think enhypen raise the standard with their above average choreography. none of the members suck at dancing per se.

eh i think the only current rookie group that has notable singing skills are aespa (ningning carries). most others are mediocre. you gotta admit, sm artists have their vocals in check. even if the music is pots and pans sometimes lol

Edited October 24, 2021 by peach0827

[LinaRinaMina]

5 hours ago, spicyssamu said:

csjh has Lina as a standout and Dana as a solid AA, I would comapre her to Soshis Seohyun/Jessica. Thats around the same as most SM groups..

Ningning is too inconsistent yet and theres too little live material for her right now.. She has B4 down, but Im not sure about C5/C#5 and we have like less than 10 clips to judge and some of her performances are very off tbh and she doesnt sound as connected/supported as in the studio or other times.

Big Mama arent kpop so they dont count.

I agree with the rest.

Am I stupid or at debut Dana was a C? I know she regressed during CSJH. Lina was always like a G. Or was a C-G to G but then regressed because of age, but she was Ailee or better at her vocal peaks. Dana was a low C....also Sunday/Stephanie were solid As. I think Stephanie was a high A at debut? Now I think Lina's probably a low G, she had some great musical moments, Dana is AA, Sunday/Stephanie seem to be weak to average or low averages now, especially Stephanie as a weak to average. I know Lina had some GREAT moments in Isak N Jiyeon.  

4 hours ago, peach0827 said:

ngl i like enhypen and they hold a special place in my heart because i watched them on i-land, but i agree, their singing talents are mediocre at best.

anyone who watched i-land will know that the only notable vocalists in the group are heeseung and maybe jungwon. some of the members are quite literally tone deaf. however, the tone deaf members are amazing, above average dancers. so i think enhypen raise the standard with their above average choreography. none of the members suck at dancing per se.

eh i think the only current rookie group that has notable singing skills are aespa (ningning carries). most others are mediocre. you gotta admit, sm artists have their vocals in check. even if the music is pots and pans sometimes lol

Iland didn't have strong vocals did they. Geonu seemed the best. 

[LinaRinaMina]

5 hours ago, spicyssamu said:

csjh has Lina as a standout and Dana as a solid AA, I would comapre her to Soshis Seohyun/Jessica. Thats around the same as most SM groups..

Ningning is too inconsistent yet and theres too little live material for her right now.. She has B4 down, but Im not sure about C5/C#5 and we have like less than 10 clips to judge and some of her performances are very off tbh and she doesnt sound as connected/supported as in the studio or other times.

Big Mama arent kpop so they dont count.

I agree with the rest.

Also I'm pretty sure she has C5 but the question is how developed it is. She has sung it at least 20 times supported, but again she's cleaner than Seo. Ningning seems to be the Seo/Sica comparison (Sica after regression) but again she is still a rookie main. 

I feel like Dana is stronger than SeoSic but obviously not a very high AA. She's better than Hwasa. 

What about Seeya? Yeonji was a C, a very good one at that but....what about the rest? I do not remember. 

[peach0827]

10 hours ago, LinaRinaMina said:

I-land didn't have strong vocals did they. Geonu seemed the best. 

yeah i'm confused regarding bighit's (or hybe now) intention when it comes to i-land. there weren't any outstanding singers at all and the ones that ended up debuting were the most attractive and "quirky" guys that the fans found the most relatable. and example of this is jay and jake, they ranked pretty high throughout i-land when global voting was in play, but whenever they showed raw clips of them singing, they did pretty poorly and even other trainees on the show thought so.

there was this instance where they were picking who gets which part and jay ended up losing against everyone cause none of the trainees voted for him to get any of the parts he tried out for:

 

with mnet produce shows, you'll see bad apples but there will always be the aces with great vocals that probably end up debuting (izone for example). but i-land seemed to lack those aces...

Edited October 25, 2021 by peach0827

[eli]

18 hours ago, MinnieMax said:

 

ur posts read like ur a 30 year old saltmine who is not able to accept that people do not really care for ur fav group anymore so u cope by trying to drag other bg from the same company's vocals

[LinaRinaMina]

On 10/25/2021 at 6:57 AM, peach0827 said:

yeah i'm confused regarding bighit's (or hybe now) intention when it comes to i-land. there weren't any outstanding singers at all and the ones that ended up debuting were the most attractive and "quirky" guys that the fans found the most relatable. and example of this is jay and jake, they ranked pretty high throughout i-land when global voting was in play, but whenever they showed raw clips of them singing, they did pretty poorly and even other trainees on the show thought so.

there was this instance where they were picking who gets which part and jay ended up losing against everyone cause none of the trainees voted for him to get any of the parts he tried out for:

 

with mnet produce shows, you'll see bad apples but there will always be the aces with great vocals that probably end up debuting (izone for example). but i-land seemed to lack those aces...

Well the mains were almost always rigged in actually but IOI overall had quite a few strong vocalists, IZ*One has a big vocal gap but  even Yena is stronger than anyone in Iland besides Goeunu? Geonu? ???? I always get his name wrong. 

All of them are weak -- Heesung has a good ear for music so he sounds pretty stable -- Sunoo has naturally good pitch, I think Jungwon is trying to emulate some singer when he's singing but it's not working great. Reminds me of Hueningkai trying to emulate some indie singer when he sings. 

They weren't looking for vocalists at all -- I doubt they accepted very many from auditions to even appear on the show and the ones we had were eliminated later. Bighit has had a vocal group before -- Homme but all the vocalists were trained elsewhere and had careers but came together under the contract in Bighit. Lee Hyun's still the best BH vocalist by a LOT lot. I mean they think it doesn't matter to what they want in a group. 

Reminds me a lot of EXID's Jeongwha and all the lines the JYP sub vocals get that are all the catchy parts.  Like all of them are "sub-vocal" level and I can't help....but feel bad for a group I've never cared about? Like damn they don't know how to use their voices at all and they're in kpop -- if they were in apop no one cares. The kpop genre of songs honestly require some technicality -- but none of Enhypen's songs are vocally challenging, Bighit did that on purpose but thought it would be enough to hide untrained - ness. It isn't. Also they're very nervous -- TXT are at the same level as Enhypen and not in a good way but they can handle kinda their own songs.  

[peach0827]

50 minutes ago, LinaRinaMina said:

Well the mains were almost always rigged in actually but IOI overall had quite a few strong vocalists, IZ*One has a big vocal gap but  even Yena is stronger than anyone in Iland besides Goeunu? Geonu? ???? I always get his name wrong. 

All of them are weak -- Heesung has a good ear for music so he sounds pretty stable -- Sunoo has naturally good pitch, I think Jungwon is trying to emulate some singer when he's singing but it's not working great. Reminds me of Hueningkai trying to emulate some indie singer when he sings. 

They weren't looking for vocalists at all -- I doubt they accepted very many from auditions to even appear on the show and the ones we had were eliminated later. Bighit has had a vocal group before -- Homme but all the vocalists were trained elsewhere and had careers but came together under the contract in Bighit. Lee Hyun's still the best BH vocalist by a LOT lot. I mean they think it doesn't matter to what they want in a group. 

Reminds me a lot of EXID's Jeongwha and all the lines the JYP sub vocals get that are all the catchy parts.  Like all of them are "sub-vocal" level and I can't help....but feel bad for a group I've never cared about? Like damn they don't know how to use their voices at all and they're in kpop -- if they were in apop no one cares. The kpop genre of songs honestly require some technicality -- but none of Enhypen's songs are vocally challenging, Bighit did that on purpose but thought it would be enough to hide untrained - ness. It isn't. Also they're very nervous -- TXT are at the same level as Enhypen and not in a good way but they can handle kinda their own songs.  

yeah geonu got eliminated pretty early on and he was definitely one of the best vocalists there, if not the best. and i hate to say it but he probably got eliminated because he wasn't particularly attractive or interesting so fans didn't care about him and he got eliminated during a global voting (i-land had an interchangeable elimination system where one week it was based on global votes and one week based on the coaches' vote). he's debuted in a group now (just b) but they're nugu, so he probably would've been better off in enhypen.

and yeah i don't think hybe were looking for vocals at all. i think enhypen was supposed to be a strong dance group and they weren't looking for amazing singers. tbh even if you listen to enhypen's music so far, none of it showcases their vocal ability much, it's pretty autotuned and produced so their vocals don't really stand out because of all the background noise and pitch altering. it's like their voices are deep-fried lol

i hope it doesn't become a trend for companies to debut strong dancers and weak vocalists. of course in the kpop industry dancing and vocals are both important but good vocals should be a given. 

txt were (are?) in a similar position but i do think they improved a lot since debut. tbh bighit needs to get their artists better vocal training (and needs to stop debuting people who are tone deaf).

i hope the female i-land that's coming next year will have some more emphasis on vocals and not so much on dance.

[krystalized]

I like enhypen music but yeah I noticed their lives aren't the best vocally. Well, at least they dance prettily :3

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