Psy 2,401 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 ‘Dear Readers…’ I am starting this thread due to the pro-Israel and pro-Zionist keyboard-warriors who take it upon themselves to post one post after another blaming Hamas for everything and using fake propaganda. Some even said anti-Semitic things – and I use that term acknowledging the fact that European Jews who take over to a country, Palestine, and build their nation above Semitic blood and bodies can never be the Semitic of the Holy Land. Some praised Zionism, some spoke of Muslims as if they are disease on this planet, and some wished for the Palestinians to all go to the ‘other side’ and never come back. If you are reading this text and finding it too similar to another topic then it is no mistake … but ‘unfortunately’ I cannot take it much further because complaining about ‘treatment’ of the responses that I get from my typed-up comments – from negs to insults to even being chased up on other sites – I always remind myself that that is nothing in comparison to what happens on the grounds of Occupied Palestine, and especially in Gaza, so I continue. ‘PALLYWOOD’ It took me a while to understand what that meant; it’s something to do with the neighborhood of Palestinian-supporters, which are all clumped together and have labels associated with them to make them all look bad and to claim that they are all Hamas-supporters. Ironically, the OH-Israelis insist that not all Israelis are alike, but when they come on here, every user who is against ethnic cleaning, genocide and apartheid are all alike – so they invented the term, Pallywood because the ‘agenda’ of Pallywood is insulting to Israelis…. yes, these comments on a k-pop forum are actually an ‘agenda’. Take that as an indicator of how intimidated they feel. So, the next time that a bitter Israeli calls you out for being one of Pallywood, just be proud that you are recognized for speaking out for those who are less capable of doing so. Of course, they will say this and that, because it is much easier to win over support by playing victim. Desperation can do funny things, but the most important part is that if you fall silent, the crimes will continue to go on unnoticed and that is not fair for Palestinians, so keep it up! RELIABLE RESOURCES It is the one thing I ask of you to do; back-up what you say with reliable sources. Wherever you go, online or in real-life, evidence is what will always win the arguments. In general, with the increasing number of Academic Scholars, even in the West, that acknowledge the Palestinian narrative along with the Palestinian village files as the truth that make it impossible to deny that 1948 was indeed the greatest crime against Humanity, things are looking good. It always starts with talking and getting others to think. ‘… but this is a k-pop forum.’ Yeah… and you’re in the Current Events section, but never undermine how far you can reach out. Every pro-Palestinian has a duty towards Palestinians and Human Rights. The Zionist movement is a powerful coalition that we are surrounded by; misinterpretation, distortion of timeline of events, insisting that ethnic cleansing is ‘Israel’s right to defend itself’ etc. Informing each other of the truth is vital, and you have to be ready for all sorts of responses and game-plays because there will always be those who are disgusting and dishonest. You just keep standing up for truth. BIRTH OF ZIONISM When you send a piece of paper to another nation to say ‘ayo. we’re coming in our large numbers, please leave at least 50% of the land empty for us, preferably accommodated with furniture et al’, do you really expect the people of the land to co-operate? Where in history was that ever possible? Who are you to even demand that they leave their homeland for you? People who take the stance believing that the Palestinians should have co-operated are usually the ones who go around with the casual attitude that the Palestinians deserve to suffer for not kissing the shoes of European Jews. From my experience, they tend to downplay Zionism whilst supporting it at the same time. They will always be the ones insisting that the Balfour Declaration gave them the right to exist when up to this very day that is an argument that is still ongoing, but it doesn’t change the fact that Israel exists today. Here’s a post that I wrote earlier regarding the true nature and intentions of Lord Arthur Balfour [ x ] Coming unannounced, in your thousands, was a profound statement insisting that they will live in that piece of land by disrespectfully removing the indigenous was the announcement of war. What happened in 1948 became the greatest crime against humanity; emptying dozens of villages and towns by butchering thousands and dumping their bodies in mass graves or piling them up to set a bonfire whilst serving food and alcohol to one another is indeed going to provoke outrage throughout the Arab World. Do you blame them for adopting anti-‘Semitic’ views when the majority fought against the Nazis? [ x ] ISRAEL RECOGNIZED Arguments suggesting that the Arabs do not acknowledge the existence of Israel is word-play because all 22-nations in the Arab League recognize the legitimacy of Israel because they had no choice. However, they did not approve of the methods it uses i.e. Zionism, to further expand, which somehow becomes the niche of ‘they still do not recognize Israel’: "The fear of territorial displacement and dispossession was to be the chief motor of Arab antagonism to Zionism down to 1948 (and indeed after 1967 as well)†Book: ‘Righteous Victims’ by Israel’s Top Scholar, Benni Morris Interestingly, no one wants to talk about Israel’s refusal over the past 30-years to accept international consensus to resolve the conflict. Why is it avoided? From 1967 to this present day, there is a refusal to accept that the other side wants to settle. That would not be if there was true desire to settle the conflict: "Transfer was inevitable and inbuilt into Zionism—because it sought to transform a land which was ‘Arab’ into a ‘Jewish’ state and a Jewish state could not have arisen without a major displacement of Arab population; and because this aim automatically produced resistance among the Arabs which, in turn, persuaded the Yishuv’s leaders that a hostile Arab majority or large minority could not remain in place if a Jewish state was to arise or safely endure" Book: ‘Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Question Revisited’ by Benni Morris If we’re really going to hit it on the head ‘transfer’ is the diluted word for ‘expulsion’. WHICH SIDE? When it comes to this conflict there are only two side; Palestine and Israel. Where you stand is either in one side or the other, but just because you stand on one side does not mean that you approve of everything that happens so it is fair to say that neither side is in the right, but the wrong grossly outweighs on the Oppressor, not the Oppressed. PALESTINIAN SIDE Being pro-Palestinian does not mean being pro-Hamas unless the person says so. You can be if you want of course, and there are probably more resistance groups out there other than Hamas, but Hamas is the ‘deadliest’ against Zionism – feel free to laugh. However, if you really look at it, Hamas is the brilliant control tool in the hands of Zionism, so if they attempt to tie the knots with Fatah and other resistance groups, then that would bring unity of Palestinians which would be problematic to Zionism. I mention this because that is the main reason why Hamas could not have done the one thing that would have reversed years of effort i.e. they did not target Israel to ignite the step-up in genocide. But why the man-made rockets on Israel? What did Israel do? The not-do list would be much shorter, but I don’t see why there should have been no rockets dropped on Israel since no month in the past year bombs have not reportedly dropped on Gaza, so really who is the one provoking? Again, Weekly Reports of Israeli Human Rights Violations ISRAEL/ZIONISM SIDE Being pro-Israeli does not mean being pro-Zionism… but this is where it gets complicated, because they are never anti-Zionism, even if they insist they are. Separating Israelis from Zionism is like stripping away their identity. Israelis would not exist without Zionism. Zionism and God have always had a wonderful interplay; you can believe that the Holy Land is given to Jews by God, even if you don’t believe in God. However, politicizing religion has made Zionism a phenomenal secular movement with a ruthless drive. It’s undoubtedly the most successful modernization project to this day. Take a look at the way that religion has been manifested and tradition has been handled. It is impossible to back Israel’s existence without supporting aspects of Zionism. One of the loudest statement made was in June 2011 by Danny Danon who was, not sure if still is, a member of the Israeli Parliament, the Knesset. He went on his facebook and proposed: I thought about the wording for the loyalty declaration bill: “I hereby declare my loyalty to the State of Israel as a Jewish Zionist and democratic state, and solemnly swear to maintain it values and not to engage in illegal acts against it or against any of its institutions.†I would love to hear your opinions.I haven’t really followed up on this madness, but at the time the loyalty to the political ideology of Zionism had something to do with obtaining ID cards, and it was something that they were in the process of forcing 1.4-million Palestinians to utter this oath. WHAT WILL PEACE LOOK LIKE? Government-controlled media is far from encouraging of the option that all 3 main religions can co-exist. It becomes an unrealistic perception to those whose heads are filled with fear engraved by propaganda, especially if you look at those who believe that Hamas is so strong that it can take out Zionism. The truth is, Palestine has never been weaker. Hamas is now a no-factor in this conflict. If anything, they’re a convenient tool. The Palestinian Authority cannot live with the economic dependency of the EU and the US. The Palestinians have no control of Palestine. We hear the word ‘peace talks’ but they’re just talks that got up to this point. Where are we going with the peace process? There is no ‘peace process’, but there is process but not in the direction of justice. Obama mentioned the 1967 border in 2011, but that was directed to the Palestinians but in an indirect manner requesting them to not ask for recognition. Ever since Palestine was recognized by the UN, even though it existed way before the UN did, there has been too much optimism. The next day, Netanyahu delivered a 40-minutes speech to Congress, America’s strongest branch of the Government, where he made it very clear that Israel will only be a Jewish-only state and will not recognize the borders. He received the applause and the backing. We’re now in 2014, it is very evident that there is no option to peace and this highly organized operation is too well planned out. We’re witnessing a historic turning point; there can only be a one state. Israel will continue stealing land, but resolving the conflict will happen at a hefty cos; Palestinian right to return will be nullified in exchange for a few meters of land. The other element is the land next to the ‘final border’ in The West Bank. I don’t know how it will go, but Analysts and Scholars keep saying that Israel will return 90% but keep the 10% next to the wall because they are the most resourceful. I need to do more reading about that. Whatever they do offer, they will get the co-operation, and the resistance. There will be mixed responses, but that is why it is crucial to maintain the daily assaults and casual bombing of defenceless population; it is all about breaking the will of Palestinians. They have already reputed against Hamas, and will eventually fall to the hands of the Palestinian Authority who will be pressurized by US demands. The EU has already pressurizing Israel and PA by stating that if they do not agree with Netanyahu then they will subsidizing projects in The West Bank, which is only damaging to the Palestinians and colluding with the US. We’re witnessing a historic turning point hence why international support In 2008, Obama promised an undivided Jerusalem, which is probably why Netanyahu despises him that he prefers to address Congress instead. However, he gets it his way because the Obama administration keeps increasing funding to Israel, especially towards the media division – Middle East Media Research Institute - that is founded by the IDF to recite anti-Semitism and increase hostility. Even with a one-state solution, it will take decades for discrimination to be removed, but that is me being optimistic. The most influential parties in the Israeli Government are right-wing who are openly racist. There has to be the will to change, but that will that leans to peace is doing the reverse of what Zionism teaches. There is no room for equality in Zionism, and then again, Israel fall into a deeper state of confusion over its identity. What will happen to the Israeli towns that have adopted loyalty oaths to bar out Arabs? Institutional discrimination is fundamental in Zionism and every area of Israeli lifestyle – from refusing to educate Palestinian history to which pavements you can walk on. I struggle to see it, but I understand when Israeli Scholars say that becoming one-state is killing Israel. Is it going to end there? Of course not. “Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.†- Frederick Douglass American will continue to fund Israel, just as it has been doing so whilst drowning in bankruptcy. As long as they continue with the efforts to keep the masses ignorant, then there would be no resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Property of Goddess Irene 9,760 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Arabs should never complain about some group displacing others, especially when they took over the whole Middle East when their only homeland was Arabia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Kawaii Adventurs Of Ayyu 1,265 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Arabs should never complain about some group displacing others, especially when they took over the whole Middle East when their only homeland was Arabia. ... wut??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blablabla 2,749 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Wow, you're nothing but a bully, are you? "If you are reading this text and finding it too similar to another topic then it is no mistake… but ‘unfortunately’ I cannot take it much further because complaining about ‘treatment’ of the responses that I get from my typed-up comments – from negs to insults to even being chased up on other sites" You've been doing all of that to me, for days, for no other reason that disagreeing with you. you've been dissing me on other threads without me being there and to my face. You've even contacted mods to open an investigation on me, which results in nothing since all of your accusations were false. And now this? Shame you behave like I two year old. I never reported any one you (accept for a person who sent me threats and one who praised hitler), and never tried to silence you, like you did to me - hell, you guys even closed one of my threads. So you can cry all the time about how humane you are and how bad the Israelis are - when you've just proven yourself to be a big bully, with zero tolerance to anyone who thinks differently. And you know what? you won. Cause I've had enough of your BS, and i've had enough of being reported for doing nothing wrong. So here, you can take pride that despite all the morality you try to demonstrate, you're just a bully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewelfamous 1,013 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Wow, you're nothing but a bully, are you? "If you are reading this text and finding it too similar to another topic then it is no mistake … but ‘unfortunately’ I cannot take it much further because complaining about ‘treatment’ of the responses that I get from my typed-up comments – from negs to insults to even being chased up on other sites" You've been doing all of that to me, for days, for no other reason that disagreeing with you. you've been dissing me on other threads without me being there and to my face. You've even contacted mods to open an investigation on me, which results in nothing since all of your accusations were false. And now this? Shame you behave like I two year old. I never reported any one you (accept for a person who sent me threats and one who praised hitler), and never tried to silence you, like you did to me - hell, you guys even closed one of my threads. So you can cry all the time about how humane you are and how bad the Israelis are - when you've just proven yourself to be a big bully, with zero tolerance to anyone who thinks differently. And you know what? you won. Cause I've had enough of your BS, and i've had enough of being reported for doing nothing wrong. So here, you can take pride that despite all the morality you try to demonstrate, you're just a bully. Ignore it. I was banned for a day for saying "Rest In Peace". You can't say that stuff here and be Israeli, they'll think you're making fun of the victims, which is absolutely ridiculous, but the mods were pressured to warn/ban me and they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sana Muñequita Linda 2,566 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Psy, I respect you for standing up for the Palestinian cause, and against those attacks and denials in this forum. There is also a statement you did in another thread that I think as important and would like to highlight: Both sides of the conflict have committed crimes, but the conflict is so unbalanced that putting blame entirely on Palestinians and Arabs is simply raising the Israeli/Zionist hand from accountability of apartheid and ethnic cleansing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blablabla 2,749 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Psy, I respect you for standing up for the Palestinian cause, and against those attacks and denials in this forum. There is also a statement you did in another thread that I think as important and would like to highlight: Accept if you actually bothered talking to us you'll see none of us are raising Israel's hand from accountability. I'm against this military operation, i'm against the settlements and i'm against the systematic disscrimination again either Arab Israelis or Palestinians, and if you 9not you personally, but the few of you) even tried to have a discussion with me instead of either ignoring what I had to say, reporting me or insulting me, you'd actually see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeletedAccount01 6,191 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 *claps* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psy 2,401 Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 Psy, I respect you for standing up for the Palestinian cause, and against those attacks and denials in this forum. There is also a statement you did in another thread that I think as important and would like to highlight:Thank you, Pillar Man. [i was wondering where your reply went haha] I really should have mentioned that here as well. I suppose I didn't because I thought it was too obvious an opinion to be making. Yeah, I'm just amusing myself that things have spiralled. I juggling typing this message with responding to a Moderator, who seems to have a better grasp of what I requested to be looked in to. Sad that individuals cling on by twisting words, but like I said, desperation does funny things... Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blablabla 2,749 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Thank you, Pillar Man. [i was wondering where your reply went haha] I really should have mentioned that here as well. I suppose I didn't because I thought it was too obvious an opinion to be making. Yeah, I'm just amusing myself that things have spiralled. I juggling typing this message with responding to a Moderator, who seems to have a better grasp of what I requested to be looked in to. Sad that individuals cling on by twisting words, but like I said, desperation does funny things... Thanks again. That individual is here, thank you very much. So please address me if you want to say anything about me. And as I've already told you - go ahead with your little investigation. I'd love to hear the results and see your reaction when you find out you've been falsely accusing me of things for the last few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RE! 338 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I'm not as knowledgeable as you regarding this topic, but I agree on your points. In 1994, Hamas was born as a result from Israel oppression, if Israel bought the land legally (and had not killed Palestine people) I'm sure the offence group wouldn't exist. Two state solution looks promising, but I'm not sure Israel would comply to that. The diplomatic negotiation will only bring temporary peace (if any country want to be the broker this time......) but that would make the Palestine can breath for a while My heart goes out for people in Gaza, they are refugee with limited resources and depends on donation, then Israeli troops boomed the civilian because of some 'mistake' in determining the target? Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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