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I don't know a thing about this show and for some reason I got this video in my recommendations, I watched it out of curiosity and I'm genuinely confused...
Seeing the like-dislike ratio and the comments, how is this performance even considered good ?? I honestly didn't see the other contestants' performances, I respect the fact they are singing live but that's about it...

 

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I don't trust these things. Most of the "good" performance are probably edited.

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these are trainees, mostly teenagers who don't yet have much experience

their vocals are stable enough but everyone knows almost everyone on that show (except for a few of the older more experienced girls) have a lot to learn

this performance was also cut down by mnet, so it obviously wasn't one of the better ones, but they did perfectly well for being trainees on a survival show

 

also the amount of views, likes and comments are because one of them is a member of cherry bullet, a group who already has a fanbase

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11 minutes ago, blossoms said:

these are trainees, mostly teenagers who don't yet have much experience

their vocals are stable enough but everyone knows almost everyone on that show (except for a few of the older more experienced girls) have a lot to learn

this performance was also cut down by mnet, so it obviously wasn't one of the better ones, but they did perfectly well for being trainees on a survival show

 

also the amount of views, likes and comments are because one of them is a member of cherry bullet, a group who already has a fanbase

Tbf, produce performances in general were better and they were mostly trainees too. It's weird how people used to roast majority of produce auditions (especially the last 2 seasons) but they were still way better than many performances on this show.

In general, I agree the auditions so far have been kinda weak except a few teams/solos (Crazy, Boombayah, Yujin, Wow things, Su Ruiqi, etc). I don't think this performance in particular is one of the best tbh.

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4 minutes ago, hynapia said:

Tbf, produce performances in general were better and they were mostly trainees too. It's weird how people used to roast majority of produce auditions (especially the last 2 seasons) but they were still way better than many performances on this show.

In general, I agree the auditions so far have been kinda weak except a few teams/solos (Crazy, Boombayah, Yujin, Wow things, Su Ruiqi, etc). I don't think this performance in particular is one of the best tbh.

 

produce auditions were also completely autotuned, whereas in this show most people aren't getting autotuned with the exceptions of mnets favourites like Yurina. it was so obvious she was the only one who had pitched vocals

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The way that I look at this performance is:

1. Their unison is... really not good, especially the first and second times. They're out of tune with each other (and I don't think their voices blend especially well either, but I can accept that). I think that the last chorus is better, and the last line is by far the best in terms of getting the pitch accurate across all four of them, so I'd like to think that they maybe... start listening and adjusting to each other somewhat?

2. On their own, I'd say they're alright most of the time. They're not great, but there's large chunks that are passable. Jimin's part after Yubin's rap is very obviously too low for her and that affects her tone, but she tries her best (I think she's also flat most of the time). The adlibs though... The adlibs are not good (Jiwon is consistently flat on them and I'm not sure if she has the vocal agility to execute them well either, and Rayeon, while better pitch and execution (? this is not the word I'm looking for) wise, is scratchy and struggling on the higher notes, which very well could be situational or related to not adequately warming up), but I respect them for trying.

3. The dance seems pretty good! I don't really have many thoughts on it, I think they did a good job here.

Overall, I have three thoughts on why this performance is the way it is.

Firstly, the lack of playback, backing vocals and what seems like very little, if any engineering (? once again, might not be the word I'm looking for), means that it sounds so much more unpolished than music show stages. That's not to say the issues they have shouldn't be corrected organically, it's just that having those things would have helped immensely. Secondly, it reeks of underpreparation, both in the short and long term. I am fully convinced that Rayeon's issues could have been at least somewhat fixed by a bit of extra warming up, their ensemble and listening skills could have been improved by just practicing that in isolation together (which I feel like probably was not done enough because unison singing is often thought to be much "easier" than it is), and many of the other issues could have been fixed in the same way. Finally, although I have not watched the show and hence know nothing of the context, I would not be surprised if they spent far more time on practicing the dance than on the vocals alone. You have to practice the vocals separately first, or else you just compound the inevitable issues that come from dancing while singing, and from what I've seen on many of these survival shows (and even from newer groups in general), you rarely see them practicing the vocals on their own, it's always either in combination with, or just the dance. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the contestants on this show have very little, if any proper vocal training and experience extensively working on their vocals without dancing, and it shows. Because groups have become so focused on dance compared to vocals (which generally tend to sound okay anyways because of playback), these sorts of performances without those can be considered adequate. That being said, even with all that being considered, this still isn't good and I'm confused as to why the comments think it's so good. Maybe in the context of the other ones it's better, or there were some weird circumstances with weird restrictions I could understand it? But barring that, still a no from me.

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41 minutes ago, blossoms said:

these are trainees, mostly teenagers who don't yet have much experience

their vocals are stable enough but everyone knows almost everyone on that show (except for a few of the older more experienced girls) have a lot to learn

this performance was also cut down by mnet, so it obviously wasn't one of the better ones, but they did perfectly well for being trainees on a survival show

 

also the amount of views, likes and comments are because one of them is a member of cherry bullet, a group who already has a fanbase

I mean kudos to them but It's still a competition and they surely now that the idol life is quite hard.
I did some quick research and found that out of 13,000 applicants coming from different countries, only 99 contestants got selected... In this oversaturated industry I would expect more from these contestants especially when you see already existing and talented groups struggling.
With context, I understand now the reactions on this specific performance.

 

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46 minutes ago, blossoms said:

 

produce auditions were also completely autotuned, whereas in this show most people aren't getting autotuned with the exceptions of mnets favourites like Yurina. it was so obvious she was the only one who had pitched vocals

I think Yurina (autotuned or not) is still one of the few ones with stable and good vocals tbh.

Also it's not only the vocals, in general produce had more memorable contestants imo. Sakura or the starship girls in produce 48 for example were instantly memorable even if their auditions weren't that great. Or Hyewon in boombayah team was kinda a mess but she had charisma. Here most people don't have that many it factor or stage presence yet.

There's been only 2 episodes so far so maybe more people stand out later.

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19 minutes ago, KaepJang said:

I mean kudos to them but It's still a competition and they surely now that the idol life is quite hard.
I did some quick research and found that out of 13,000 applicants coming from different countries, only 99 contestants got selected... In this oversaturated industry I would expect more from these contestants especially when you see already existing and talented groups struggling.
With context, I understand now the reactions on this specific performance.

 

Also, quite a few of them are already debuted idols or come from other survival shows so it's not like all of them are inexperienced trainees tbh.

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they should have had a backing track. and they need more practice. and maybe an easier song. but yeah, kpop fans will hype up the absolute worst performance, like i cant even look at reactions to trainees who perform SHINee covers because i will get upset.

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the auditions are so bad… so bad like i have to pretend to like some of these girls. i hope we’ll see a real jump from the live vocals in the auditions to the first performances in terms of editing and tuning because if not they’re literally going to butcher these songs so bad. 

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tbh the biggest problems come when they're singing together. i agree that it's just a low-qual stage overall but individually their voices aren't............... terrible? and the dance isn't the worst i've ever seen i just have no clue if they tried to sing this together even once lol. but i can see why this wasn't aired 😬

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Well...the I-land auditions were overly autotuned and a lot of the produce auditions were basically the backtrack. Barely found any live singing in kingdom/rtk. So I appreciate the unedited vocals without any backtrack for once.  Hard to find these days.  Maybe that's why  the groups would rather lipsync than be bashed for trying

I agree with you though. But yeah the live-ness was respectable. 

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