sensitive content TW // Kwon Mina was found by her acquiantance after trying to take her own life this morning

[kimsguardian]

 

Edited July 29, 2021 by kimsguardian

[Thigh-high feminist]

I'm really glad she didn't succeed and I hope she takes medication which isn't for everyone but it really helped my depression and has also helped lots of others.

I also hope she continues with therapy.

[Shinki]

Whatever is the case and whatever is the truth, I just hope she seeks actual help. I've been saying this for the longest but she needs it with urgency.

[Mccuish]

 

[JNT-LEGGO]

Just get her help plz! That's all I'm gonna say

[Jikrytae]

9 minutes ago, Shinki said:

Whatever is the case and whatever is the truth, I just hope she seeks actual help. I've been saying this for the longest but she needs it with urgency.

Sadly you have to want help, and I don't think she does. She also doesn't seem to have anyone who's earnestly trying to convince her to help herself.

[Danee Danee]

I wish her to actually get help but I honestly doubt she will. Mental care in Korea is known to be lacking and she would need to actually want the help. The whole situation is so sad. 

[Aphrodisiac]

4 minutes ago, Jikrytae said:

Sadly you have to want help, and I don't think she does. She also doesn't seem to have anyone who's earnestly trying to convince her to help herself.

That’s what it sounds like to me as well…..

[sawarin]

1 hour ago, Jikrytae said:

Sadly you have to want help, and I don't think she does. She also doesn't seem to have anyone who's earnestly trying to convince her to help herself.

wouldn’t be surprised if the “help” she’s gotten in sk actually pushed more of her behavior, they’re awfully underprepared for this kind of situations. she needs a better support system in general and to stay away from social media. 

[Solfa]

I really hope she gets the help she needs, it has been agonizing seeing her crumble in social media and not being able to do anything. 

[Nev Schulman]

I really hope she's doing better now

[Nev Schulman]

Y'all are acting like she hasn't said that she has gotten help. Do you think psychologists/therapists are miracle workers? If you have ACTUALLY spoken to suicidal people a lot of them will tell you that it took them YEARS to get better because they weren't getting the right help or the help they were getting wasn't sufficient. Some people need to go through several psychologists. Jonghyun had even stated that the help he got said some messed up things to him which probably didn't make things better for him. The system heck anywhere isn't going to be that easy not anywhere for a severe case like hers. Seeing as she said that she's been in and out of getting help likely means she hasn't been able to find the right person to help her. 

[Hairband]

It's a very hard situation. I hope she gets better.

[panqueque]

I hope people don't come at her, when all her scandals happened people went hard on her. While she did deserve criticism I think a lot people even here forgot she is still in a bad place mentally. Hope she can recover and find a good treatment

[Charlene]

1 hour ago, panqueque said:

I hope people don't come at her, when all her scandals happened people went hard on her. While she did deserve criticism I think a lot people even here forgot she is still in a bad place mentally. Hope she can recover and find a good treatment

Agreed. Mina deserves criticism but she is a very bad person to hate-bandwagon. 

[babyv004]

where is her family and friends?! 

it's time for someone close to her take away all her devices where she can access sns and to force her to get some medical help like being confined in some residential treatment center (i don't know if rehab it is a thing too for depression people in SK but i will not be surprised if they don't have it bc koreans tend to don't treat seriously those who have mental health issues. that is why their suicidal rates are so high)

i heard that this is already her 4th or 5th attempted and now i am asking myself if she really have someone to lean on.

i don't know why but this girl smells trouble like if you get involved in her stuff you will end up getting hurt so i would not be surprised if her friends stop trying but what about her family?

 

once again she need to be confined in a mental institution and maybe she needs to be properly diagnosed. who knows if there is another serious mental disorder besides depression that is making her acting like this (you can't deny that she displays some problematic behaviors, have a bit of attention seeker behavior and she blames everything into AOA like she hits her toe on a table and that it is all jimin/AOA's fault)

[Hugglepuff]

43 minutes ago, babyv004 said:

once again she need to be confined in a mental institution and maybe she needs to be properly diagnosed.

We have absolutely no idea what her actual diagnosis is? And she very well might have them already.

Confining someone somewhere doesn't necessarily help them either, just keeps them safe until they're outside again. Mental health is bad where I'm from, and I'm from Scandinavia, we're probably in the top of general understanding towards mental health issues. It's still bad. There's no miracle cure. She needs (probably expensive) non-stop therapy and probably medications, and that could still not be enough. She might already be getting all this help, it doesn't mean it will be solved (fast enough, it will probably get better but when you're that low it feels like the "getting better" part is a million years away and they don't want to bother waiting that long).

[Nev Schulman]

1 hour ago, babyv004 said:

where is her family and friends?! 

it's time for someone close to her take away all her devices where she can access sns and to force her to get some medical help like being confined in some residential treatment center (i don't know if rehab it is a thing too for depression people in SK but i will not be surprised if they don't have it bc koreans tend to don't treat seriously those who have mental health issues. that is why their suicidal rates are so high)

i heard that this is already her 4th or 5th attempted and now i am asking myself if she really have someone to lean on.

i don't know why but this girl smells trouble like if you get involved in her stuff you will end up getting hurt so i would not be surprised if her friends stop trying but what about her family?

 

once again she need to be confined in a mental institution and maybe she needs to be properly diagnosed. who knows if there is another serious mental disorder besides depression that is making her acting like this (you can't deny that she displays some problematic behaviors, have a bit of attention seeker behavior and she blames everything into AOA like she hits her toe on a table and that it is all jimin/AOA's fault)

Your comment is getting clowned because of you seem not to understand. But I will gladly give you a heads up and share my perspective and knowledge.

Confining someone doesn't always help. I read a book of a young girl who ended up taking her life because despite being confined multiple times and seeing so many people to help there was not any help for her.

She has stated that she already has seen people. Being suicidal is not an easy thing to recover from. She is only trying to take her life so she doesn't feel pain anymore because shs knows she's a wreck but cannot seem to get out of it. She may be wanting to die because she doesn't want to be hurting or hurt anyone anymore. She knows she's alone, she hates herself too likely which is why she attempted to end it.

 

Put yourself in her shoes. You know you're sick but you can't get over your own traumas and you are stuck with a distorted perception. You see different psychologist and whenever you think you get better you get triggered. They keep prescribing you meds that don't seem to work or help you. But keep in mind that her perception is likely distorted. If she hurts whoever she leans on why would she try leaning on people? She then goes back to thinking she will never get better and she thinks about attempting again and may actually do it.

I am not defending her behavior but putting this into perspective. Being suicidal and depressed is like being stuck in a circle. Some get out alive and some don't. And even if you do get out alive who says things will get better. Being diagnosed doesn't mean anything if the treatment isn't working or you can't get treatment. When you are okay they let you go and once you get triggered you have to go back. You never know when you're okay until you get put in a situation where it is proven and that is usually out of confinement.

People are left to go get better themselves somehow and to keep pushing through on their own and that doesn't always work.

[camilocorream]

Besides help they should take all her social media from her

[Midnight~Circus]

4 hours ago, Nev Schulman said:

Being suicidal and depressed is like being stuck in a circle. Some get out alive and some don't. And even if you do get out alive who says things will get better. Being diagnosed doesn't mean anything if the treatment isn't working or you can't get treatment. When you are okay they let you go and once you get triggered you have to go back. You never know when you're okay until you get put in a situation where it is proven and that is usually out of confinement.

People are left to go get better themselves somehow and to keep pushing through on their own and that doesn't always work.

Thank you.

As someone that once suffered from severe depression many years ago you perfectly described what many of us suffering went/go through. Depression isn't black and white and shouldn't be treated as such. Simply getting treatment isn't always a guarantee that someone will recover. There's too many factors involved. 

Depression was a debilitating psychological prison that took over my life suddenly, almost out of nowhere. It was an endless cycle. Thankfully my diagnosis was easily treatable, I take serotonin producing supplements on occasion, and I've been flourishing ever since but so many people unfortunately do not overcome their demons.

[Nev Schulman]

20 minutes ago, Midnight~Circus said:

Thank you.

As someone that once suffered from severe depression many years ago you perfectly described what many of us suffering went/go through. Depression isn't black and white and shouldn't be treated as such. Simply getting treatment isn't always a guarantee that someone will recover. There's too many factors involved. 

Depression was a debilitating psychological prison that took over my life suddenly, almost out of nowhere. It was an endless cycle. Thankfully my diagnosis was easily treatable, I take serotonin producing supplements on occasion, and I've been flourishing ever since but so many people unfortunately do not overcome their demons.

Sorry to hear what you went through. I am glad you are doing much better and I hope it stays that way. Glad your case was treatable.

Like it really does feel like the end every single day and moment for of your life if you go through it. 

I've spoken to different people and seen different cases from good to bad. I met someone who had been on every med he could be and seen different psychologists and still did not get better after decades (been getting treatment since his early adulthood! And is currently in his 50s). It's unfortunate for anyone who has to go through it. Even when you recover you can still get relapses and a lot of people just don't understand it's more than reaching the suicide hotline, being confined, needing therapy etc. Everyone is different and being depressed and suic!dal isn't just a one size fits all treatment that is needed to help such cases. Everyone is different and reacts differently to treatments, medications etc. For some people's cases they may not even be a suitable treatment available for them yet. 

It's hard to often times put yourself in someone's shoes and a lot of people just can't so they don't understand. Which is why I am trying my best to explain the situation for people who can't seem to grasp an understanding of it.

[babyv004]

i also have depression. 
i know that mental illness doesn't just go away even with professional help and also get that being forced to be institutionalized maybe don't help much if she dont see that she needs help but at least that would force her to stop going to sns (bc i am pretty sure that they will limit her access to internet) that it is one of her biggest problem.

she is obsessed with people's opinions and that they will see her as a victim and AOA as monsters (like i said "she she displays some problematic behaviors and have a bit of attention seeker behavior)

some of you here are forgetting that she is not completely a victim and that her behaviors made people stop believing her. her text messages to the ex gf shows that she is also evil B. People only with depression don't behave that manipulative. that is why i am saying that maybe she have another mental ill disorder

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And by the way she behaves, given that she says that she will stay away for sns but never does it and the fact that this it is already her 5th attempt and no one around her cares, i can't blame people for thinking that there is a possibility that she using her depression/su*cide attempts  (not really mean that she wants to end her life but just inflict wounds that are not life threatening) for that people have pity on her, get on her side again and stop calling her out on her shitty behavior.

 

i also was bullied in school. i dont want to see my bullies ever again and i would be pissed off if they got famous (thank god that none of them went to the entertainment area) but i would not put the blame in everything that goes wrong on my live on them.

i may have bit of lack of empathy but like i said something in this girl smells bad. i just can't trust completely in what she says or does. who knows if she is just like hwayoung that ruined t-ara carrer (not that i also fully trust the rest of AOA. two wrongs dont make one right. everyone can be problematic on this story)

this will be my last post about this bc to be frank i dont care much about her or AOA. i was on her side in the beginning but once she started to show her true colours i was just done with her bs.

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this situation just catched my attention bc i wanted to get rid of the music of any group/artist involved in bullying scandals bc since i suffered in the past i don't want to support anyone that does the same that as done to me.

i really hope she gets help and some peace of mind and stop going to sns for good if she wants to get better.

 

Edited July 30, 2021 by babyv004

[panqueque]

7 hours ago, babyv004 said:

i also have depression. 
i know that mental illness doesn't just go away even with professional help and also get that being forced to be institutionalized maybe don't help much if she dont see that she needs help but at least that would force her to stop going to sns (bc i am pretty sure that they will limit her access to internet) that it is one of her biggest problem.

she is obsessed with people's opinions and that they will see her as a victim and AOA as monsters (like i said "she she displays some problematic behaviors and have a bit of attention seeker behavior)

some of you here are forgetting that she is not completely a victim and that her behaviors made people stop believing her. her text messages to the ex gf shows that she is also evil B. People only with depression don't behave that manipulative. that is why i am saying that maybe she have another mental ill disorder

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And by the way she behaves, given that she says that she will stay away for sns but never does it and the fact that this it is already her 5th attempt and no one around her cares, i can't blame people for thinking that there is a possibility that she using her depression/su*cide attempts  (not really mean that she wants to end her life but just inflict wounds that are not life threatening) for that people have pity on her, get on her side again and stop calling her out on her shitty behavior.

 

i also was bullied in school. i dont want to see my bullies ever again and i would be pissed off if they got famous (thank god that none of them went to the entertainment area) but i would not put the blame in everything that goes wrong on my live on them.

i may have bit of lack of empathy but like i said something in this girl smells bad. i just can't trust completely in what she says or does. who knows if she is just like hwayoung that ruined t-ara carrer (not that i also fully trust the rest of AOA. two wrongs dont make one right. everyone can be problematic on this story)

this will be my last post about this bc to be frank i dont care much about her or AOA. i was on her side in the beginning but once she started to show her true colours i was just done with her bs.

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this situation just catched my attention bc i wanted to get rid of the music of any group/artist involved in bullying scandals bc since i suffered in the past i don't want to support anyone that does the same that as done to me.

i really hope she gets help and some peace of mind and stop going to sns for good if she wants to get better.

 

T-ara situation was different, it was the general public who assumed Hwayoung was bullied and she latched on that, while t-ara and the company had proof they didn't do anything  the public still believed Hwayoung for many years. Jimin however admitted to some extend that she wasn't good to Mina, and Mina initial statement was never refuted. I'm pretty sure the whole AOA scandal is more than "Mina was bullied" since nobody defended Jimin.

Mina is probably not only depressed, and may have many more issues she doesn't talk. Rather than be empathic with Mina is having some decency with her since she is also a person. I'm not defending her past behaviors but her mistakes should be said in the right place when she gets better. We don't actually know her and what parts are fake or true, but the facts are she isn't well and she tried to take her life more than once. 

I don't want to compare but people said the same comments to Goo Hara about how she was attention sicking and had some victim complex.

Edited July 30, 2021 by panqueque

[Mami3chan]

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[deobizone]

21 hours ago, babyv004 said:

i also have depression. 
i know that mental illness doesn't just go away even with professional help and also get that being forced to be institutionalized maybe don't help much if she dont see that she needs help but at least that would force her to stop going to sns (bc i am pretty sure that they will limit her access to internet) that it is one of her biggest problem.

she is obsessed with people's opinions and that they will see her as a victim and AOA as monsters (like i said "she she displays some problematic behaviors and have a bit of attention seeker behavior)

some of you here are forgetting that she is not completely a victim and that her behaviors made people stop believing her. her text messages to the ex gf shows that she is also evil B. People only with depression don't behave that manipulative. that is why i am saying that maybe she have another mental ill disorder

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And by the way she behaves, given that she says that she will stay away for sns but never does it and the fact that this it is already her 5th attempt and no one around her cares, i can't blame people for thinking that there is a possibility that she using her depression/su*cide attempts  (not really mean that she wants to end her life but just inflict wounds that are not life threatening) for that people have pity on her, get on her side again and stop calling her out on her shitty behavior.

 

i also was bullied in school. i dont want to see my bullies ever again and i would be pissed off if they got famous (thank god that none of them went to the entertainment area) but i would not put the blame in everything that goes wrong on my live on them.

i may have bit of lack of empathy but like i said something in this girl smells bad. i just can't trust completely in what she says or does. who knows if she is just like hwayoung that ruined t-ara carrer (not that i also fully trust the rest of AOA. two wrongs dont make one right. everyone can be problematic on this story)

this will be my last post about this bc to be frank i dont care much about her or AOA. i was on her side in the beginning but once she started to show her true colours i was just done with her bs.

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this situation just catched my attention bc i wanted to get rid of the music of any group/artist involved in bullying scandals bc since i suffered in the past i don't want to support anyone that does the same that as done to me.

i really hope she gets help and some peace of mind and stop going to sns for good if she wants to get better.

Forcing her to be institutionalized would prolly be counterproductive. Ppl adjust sure, but the thing is with therapy, such I've heard not work for her, it's not a thing that's just that the therapists are no good etc. But she's prolly unable to mentally open up, if I had to guess, bc why would she seek it out in other case. And I have some personal exp with this so if I'm right, it's really tough. Therapists can't help you if you can't open up, and for me, I have avpd, therapy I've never been able to open up. And I'm not dx'ing mina bc there's a multitude of illnesses that can cause that sort of struggles, it's a lot of amplified anxiety and trust issues. And saying this bc if I'm right & this is why therapy hasn't helped her, that type of person would not take to being institutionalized well, and they could shut down and decline more mentally. All there is to do is hope her & her loved ones makes the right choice that will help her get better. It's really tricky thing regarding being able to open up to help even if you want to. I can't even begin to understand how to do it, its really difficult thing to do, to say the least

Tho, I'm just putting thoughts out there, not trying to psychoanalyze her, maybe just put in understanding to people therapy isn't end all be all. Meds too. antidepressants, a lot of the goal is hormone control, the idea is to create more hormones that make you happy, but in my experience it was more numbing, that's better than being depressed, but far way from being happy. 

I don't think it's really right to make assumptions of her motivations of specific issues like I've seen this a lot of her having a victim complex, or that she's an attention whore. I find it hard to believe ppl can wish best for her mentally and still think this way. I'm not up to date on everything she does bc I only know what I see on OH which I don't use much these days... But I've still seen a lot of ppl just dragging her far more than necessary, she is not beyond criticism and idt mental illness is ever an excuse for hurting others but you can criticize her simply and leave it at that without making grand assumptions about her. It just feels very morally wrong for me. God forbid if something tragic happened, or happens are the people who call her attn whore, etc gonna be like sad but still point out every mistake she did, harp on every word that doesn't line up. Mostly not right. How about just be like that from beginning. She doesn't get pass on being criticized, but the victim and attn stuff is too much for me, its being held yo a ridiculous standard, exp to an unstable person in public eye. She's gonna make mistakes, we all do

Edited July 31, 2021 by deobizone