non big3 girl groups struggle attaining sucesss..right

[sukui_]

but finkl,baby vox,kara,gfriend,sistar are exceptions

[STORM BLOOM]

 T-ARA ( pre 2012 ) Mamamoo

[himi]

oh my girl 

[hynapia]

There's actually a lot of exceptions. T-ara were huge at their peak and they came from a small/not very known company at that time.

And many others like BEG, 4 minute, Girl's Day, A Pink, AOA, and more recently Mamamoo, OMG, G-idle, Stayc, etc.

[Nev Schulman]

15 minutes ago, STORM BLOOM said:

 T-ARA ( pre 2012 ) Mamamoo

I am pretty sure CCM was already a big company before T-ara.  They had Hong Jin Young, Davichi, Seeya and SG wannabe. That was when CCM was part of mnet. These artists all debuted before T-ara...

They weren’t part of the BIG 3 but the examples OP listed were artists that were in the company before it hit big.

CCM was never a small company. Before t-ara it had powerhouses en established artists even.

Edited June 11, 2021 by Nev Schulman
Adding more info

[STORM BLOOM]

4 minutes ago, Nev Schulman said:

I am pretty sure CCM was already a big company before T-ara.  They had Hong Jin Young, Davichi, Seeya and SG wannabe. That was when CCM was part of mnet. These artists all debuted before T-ara...

They weren’t part of the BIG 3 but the examples OP listed were artists that were in the company before it hit big.

CCM was never a small company. Before t-ara it had powerhouses en established artists even.

 

*None Big 3 aka the established SM, YG and JYP. 

[Ghosty]

when finkl debuted, i don't even think the big 3 was established yet. in fact, i think kara's and finkl's success made dsp one of the big 3s for a while, so.... lol 

[Nev Schulman]

1 minute ago, STORM BLOOM said:

 

*None Big 3 aka the established SM, YG and JYP. 

I was actually supposed to quote the person under you sorry! They said t-ara came from a small company.

 

11 minutes ago, Nev Schulman said:

I am pretty sure CCM was already a big company before T-ara.  They had Hong Jin Young, Davichi, Seeya and SG wannabe. That was when CCM was part of mnet. These artists all debuted before T-ara...

They weren’t part of the BIG 3 but the examples OP listed were artists that were in the company before it hit big.

CCM was never a small company. Before t-ara it had powerhouses en established artists even.

 

21 minutes ago, hynapia said:

There's actually a lot of exceptions. T-ara were huge at their peak and they came from a small/not very known company at that time.

And many others like BEG, 4 minute, Girl's Day, A Pink, AOA, and more recently Mamamoo, OMG, G-idle, Stayc, etc.

See my quote above. CCM when it had T-ara was never a small company. It literally was an Mnet subsidiary with established artists...

[hynapia]

1 minute ago, Nev Schulman said:

I was actually supposed to quote the person under you sorry! They said t-ara came from a small company.

 

 

See my quote above. CCM when it had T-ara was never a small company. It literally was an Mnet subsidiary with established artists...

I wasn't into kpop when T-ara debuted tbh. I thought they were always under MBK.

[WujuLike]

oh my girl & brave girls

also iz*one but they did come from a survival show

Edited June 11, 2021 by WujuLike

[Your Biggest Fan]

On top of the other groups that were mentioned Exid and Secret as well.

44 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

when finkl debuted, i don't even think the big 3 was established yet. in fact, i think kara's and finkl's success made dsp one of the big 3s for a while, so.... lol 

This was something I wanted to point out as well. For a while it was JYPE, SME and DSP in the top 3, then YGE took DSP's spot.

[Nev Schulman]

40 minutes ago, hynapia said:

I wasn't into kpop when T-ara debuted tbh. I thought they were always under MBK.

Mbk was called CCM prior the name change. CCM started as a mnet subsidiary. It no longer is. They were always under CCM/MBK but when they debuted the company was still an Mnet/CJ&EM subsidiary.  

[blossoms]

the most popular rookie girlgroups atm are from non big 3 companies... (stayc and weeekly)

[hynapia]

3 hours ago, blossoms said:

the most popular rookie girlgroups atm are from non big 3 companies... (stayc and weeekly)

Basically the most popular ggs debuted since 2018 have been non big 3 except for ITZY and Aespa. I mean: G-idle, Loona, Izone (they're from produce but still...non big 3 technically), Stayc, Weeekly, etc.

Edited June 11, 2021 by hynapia

[Usagi.]

5 hours ago, Ghosty said:

when finkl debuted, i don't even think the big 3 was established yet. in fact, i think kara's and finkl's success made dsp one of the big 3s for a while, so.... lol 

Big 3 is a second gen thing, for first gen the top companies for both gg and bg were SM and DSP.

[schue]

The mention of DSP is this thread.. this reminds me how tragic their fate is. They went from being in Big3 (their last most popular and relevant group was KARA) and then demoted to becoming a mid-tier company and now they have fallen from grace.

They produced some of the most popular ggs in Kpop like Finkl and Kara but now they're on a downfall due to April. I don't feel sorry for them one bit for defending April.

[satoori]

 

On 6/11/2021 at 12:21 PM, sukui_ said:

but finkl,baby vox,kara,gfriend,sistar are exceptions

correction: gfriend and sistar.

since finkl and kara are from dsp. plus technically as mentioned by another user big 3 was more of a concept post 1st gen.

 

also gfriend did struggle attaining success. no matter how much some fans try to deny it the whole slipping incident skyrocketed them.

in general big 3 groups tend to have a better rate of success then small companies groups. which is perfectly understandable since connections and resources is a huge advantage in most industries, including music. 

[satoori]

On 6/11/2021 at 1:47 PM, blossoms said:

the most popular rookie girlgroups atm are from non big 3 companies... (stayc and weeekly)

true.

tho aespa is on track to most likely surpass them financially eventually. and in the longrun fandom wise too.

of course depends on how weeekly and stayc company continue to manage them.

[sukui_]

7 hours ago, satoori said:

 

correction: gfriend and sistar.

since finkl and kara are from dsp. plus technically as mentioned by another user big 3 was more of a concept post 1st gen.

 

also gfriend did struggle attaining success. no matter how much some fans try to deny it the whole slipping incident skyrocketed them.

in general big 3 groups tend to have a better rate of success then small companies groups. which is perfectly understandable since connections and resources is a huge advantage in most industries, including music. 

what about baby vox

[satoori]

4 hours ago, sukui_ said:

what about baby vox

They're pre- 2nd gen.

I mean, I guess we can count them but techinically all those companies during 1st gen were young and new to the kpop scene in general. So there wasn't much competitive advantages or privileges.

[hynapia]

13 hours ago, satoori said:

true.

tho aespa is on track to most likely surpass them financially eventually. and in the longrun fandom wise too.

of course depends on how weeekly and stayc company continue to manage them.

I'd say aespa is definitely above stayc and weeekly in terms of public recognition and charting. Black Mamba was the only 2020 rookie song that charted on melon and Next Level is literally #2 on melon right now and shaping up to be a huge hit.

Stayc is right after them tho. Their next comebacks could solidify their position as most popular 4th gen groups or not but I'd say both have potential to surpass groups like G-idle or ITZY.

[Ghosty]

14 hours ago, satoori said:

 

correction: gfriend and sistar.

since finkl and kara are from dsp. plus technically as mentioned by another user big 3 was more of a concept post 1st gen.

 

also gfriend did struggle attaining success. no matter how much some fans try to deny it the whole slipping incident skyrocketed them.

in general big 3 groups tend to have a better rate of success then small companies groups. which is perfectly understandable since connections and resources is a huge advantage in most industries, including music. 

wait... but how did gfriend struggle attaining success if they debuted in the 90s of melon with glass bead and the ranking rose higher and higher, peaking in the mid 40s, and having longevity on melon prior to me gustas tu? i do think the slipping incident helped them massively, but were they really struggling if they peaked #25 on gaon digital downloads? that's really impressive for a group coming from a no-name company.

i don't think they would've charted had people didn't make negative comparisons to snsd's into the new world, and sinb looking like jessica, lol. but to say they were struggling kind of sounds like they've been at it for years with little to no success until mgt, when it has only been six months since their debut before they blew up, lol. unless i'm missing some information or something. 

[Ksoo9]

On 6/12/2021 at 1:53 AM, Ghosty said:

when finkl debuted, i don't even think the big 3 was established yet. in fact, i think kara's and finkl's success made dsp one of the big 3s for a while, so.... lol 

Sechskies debuted before finkl

And i just found out Sobangcha was under DSP.

They have a legendary song still covered a few years ago

 

 

 

[satoori]

11 hours ago, hynapia said:

I'd say aespa is definitely above stayc and weeekly in terms of public recognition and charting. Black Mamba was the only 2020 rookie song that charted on melon and Next Level is literally #2 on melon right now and shaping up to be a huge hit.

Stayc is right after them tho. Their next comebacks could solidify their position as most popular 4th gen groups or not but I'd say both have potential to surpass groups like G-idle or ITZY.

gidle perhaps

it will be interesting if the surpass itzy. jype girl groups tend to do very well.

11 hours ago, Ghosty said:

wait... but how did gfriend struggle attaining success if they debuted in the 90s of melon with glass bead and the ranking rose higher and higher, peaking in the mid 40s, and having longevity on melon prior to me gustas tu? i do think the slipping incident helped them massively, but were they really struggling if they peaked #25 on gaon digital downloads? that's really impressive for a group coming from a no-name company.

i don't think they would've charted had people didn't make negative comparisons to snsd's into the new world, and sinb looking like jessica, lol. but to say they were struggling kind of sounds like they've been at it for years with little to no success until mgt, when it has only been six months since their debut before they blew up, lol. unless i'm missing some information or something. 

gfriend were not necessarily struggling per se, but it was very possible they could of experienced  a faith similar to many small company groups... gradually fade or disappear randomly one day after a few comebacks. the incident defiantly help grow their fandom and public recognition rapidly. in general established their brand and existence among koreans and the kpop community.

 

[hynapia]

7 hours ago, satoori said:

gidle perhaps

it will be interesting if the surpass itzy. jype girl groups tend to do very well.

 

Fandom wise so far no, because ITZY's last album sold like 300k but charting wise they're getting there. Both Next Level and ASAP are charting much higher than Mafia in the morning but it's still early to tell because Aespa/Stayc need more comebacks to solidify their position.

Also, ITZY basically don't have a smash hit since their debut with Dalla Dalla. All their other title tracks did well but not great (except maybe Wannabe) so that's why I said they could possibly surpass them if ITZY stays stagnated and the other 2 keep rising.