Interested in finding out what NIZIU's fans think of this new LDH Group?

[DRK]

[DRK]

[echobunny]

not a niziu fan, their music so far has been on the level of twice b-sides but i'm impressed how popular they are, it's crazy

j-pop has more bland melodies, this groups falls into that category. no complex structures, several members sing verses and choruses together and always sound as homogeneous as possible. the girls have simpler choreos and the music videos are low budget, no story, no personality. the styling is the only similarity i see

Edited April 15, 2021 by echobunny

[Ghosty]

what happened to the budget that e-girls + flower, happiness, etc. had....

[DRK]

27 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

what happened to the budget that e-girls + flower, happiness, etc. had....

 

They're using basic sets and CGI. It's cheaper Budgets have probably gone for a toss, especially after COVID.

Edited April 14, 2021 by DRK

[DRK]

2 hours ago, echobunny said:

j-pop has more bland melodies

We'll agree to disagree here.

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this groups falls into that category. no complex structures,

I found the simplistic structure of the first song to actually be catchier than either "Step & A Step" (which I found toothless but pleasant yet not particularly cutting edge in any way) and especially "Make U Happy" which I found massively annoying.

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several members sing verses and choruses together and always sound as homogeneous as possible. 

It's the same with Niziu. There just isn't enough vocal tonal variation between the members for it to be meaningful. The 2 female members of ABBA had a much wider tonal variation than the nine members of Niziu!

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the girls have simpler choreos

Not really, it's about the same. 

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videos are low budget, no story,

This one's absolutely true.

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 no personality.

I see that with the whole of K-Pop, actually, with the exception of CL.

 

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[boa578]

2 hours ago, Ghosty said:

what happened to the budget that e-girls + flower, happiness, etc. had....

Girls2 are marketed to a younger audience than E-girls were

[echobunny]

10 minutes ago, DRK said:

We'll agree to disagree here.

I found the simplistic structure of the first song to actually be catchier than either "Step & A Step" (which I found toothless but pleasant yet not particularly cutting edge in any way) and especially "Make U Happy" which I found massively annoying.

It's the same with Niziu. There just isn't enough vocal tonal variation between the members for it to be meaningful. The 2 female members of ABBA had a much wider tonal variation than the nine members of Niziu!

Not really, it's about the same. 

This one's absolutely true.

I see that with the whole of K-Pop, actually, with the exception of CL.

 

the biggest difference in j-pop and k-pop are melodies. i still think the 9 niziu members can be distinguished better than most japanese idol groups, mainly because everyone has their own lines which adds to the personality of a song. but it's not something that can't be replicated. i bet if these girls would get the same producers they'd end up sounding a lot like niziu

[DRK]

1 minute ago, echobunny said:

the biggest difference in j-pop and k-pop are melodies.

It's absolutely got nothing to do with the melodies. In fact Japanese melodies tend to be more complex than the American ones.  A Japanese song typically uses a 60 chord progression whereas a typical western song uses a 4/6 chord progression. Here's master guitarist Marty Friedman explaining it:

 

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i still think the 9 niziu members can be distinguished better than most japanese idol groups, mainly because everyone has their own lines which adds to the personality of a song.

No they couldn't - not if they weren't paying attention. Simply because there's no wide tonal variation between the singers. especially if the listener was mildly intoxicated  or if the music was masked by the louder sounds of a television blaring in another room or if one was paying attention to something else whilst the music plays in the background. As for the concept of having one's own lines in the song adding personality to it - well, I don't see much of that at all in Niziu. Having 9 members means that any given song has to be split 9 ways. So based on Niziu's Make You Happy which clocks in at 3:28, let's see how that works out per group member. We'll round it out to 3:30 for convenience and we will not deduct time for music without vocals. Let's see now 60x3.5 =210. So we have a clock duration of 210 seconds for a song. Then, 210/9=23.33. We'll be generous and give each one 24 seconds. Now, question time: Do you honestly think any singer can show off their  personality if they are only given 24 seconds in one song? See what I mean. Many talented singers would not do it.

[echobunny]

1 hour ago, DRK said:

It's absolutely got nothing to do with the melodies. In fact Japanese melodies tend to be more complex than the American ones.  A Japanese song typically uses a 60 chord progression whereas a typical western song uses a 4/6 chord progression. Here's master guitarist Marty Friedman explaining it:

 

No they couldn't - not if they weren't paying attention. Simply because there's no wide tonal variation between the singers. especially if the listener was mildly intoxicated  or if the music was masked by the louder sounds of a television blaring in another room or if one was paying attention to something else whilst the music plays in the background. As for the concept of having one's own lines in the song adding personality to it - well, I don't see much of that at all in Niziu. Having 9 members means that any given song has to be split 9 ways. So based on Niziu's Make You Happy which clocks in at 3:28, let's see how that works out per group member. We'll round it out to 3:30 for convenience and we will not deduct time for music without vocals. Let's see now 60x3.5 =210. So we have a clock duration of 210 seconds for a song. Then, 210/9=23.33. We'll be generous and give each one 24 seconds. Now, question time: Do you honestly think any singer can show off their  personality if they are only given 24 seconds in one song? See what I mean. Many talented singers would not do it.

actually you provided exactly what i meant, k-pop melodies/chord progressions are very westernized, japanese' are not hence the difference - melodies have everything to do with it. their pop music however is way more bland than their rock music, i'm a fan of japanese rock but not their pop music. k-pop songs have often many different sections where the instrumental switches up a lot, i rarely see that in j-pop (obviously doesn't mean simple pop songs can't be good).

and yes, one member singing the 20 second chorus is more distinguishable then 5 voices meshed together singing a chorus, what part of that is not understandable?

Edited April 15, 2021 by echobunny

[DRK]

2 hours ago, boa578 said:

Girls2 are marketed to a younger audience than E-girls were

That doesn't mean they should cheap out on videos, but the agencies are doing exactly that. The reason is two-fold:

1) COVID has caused a serious cash flow problem within the J-entertainment industry. Also the uncertainty that it brings with it beings with it, plenty of instability.

2) The idol market is rapidly shrinking in Japan. The female singers gave way to the idols. It's the idols turn now to give way to the bands. Only those idols with strong wota bases will survive. The rest likely won't.

[DRK]

3 hours ago, echobunny said:

actually you provided exactly what i meant, k-pop melodies/chord progressions are very westernized, japanese' are not hence the difference - melodies have everything to do with it. their pop music however is way more bland than their rock music, i'm a fan of japanese rock but not their pop music. k-pop songs have often many different sections where the instrumental switches up a lot, i rarely see that in j-pop (obviously doesn't mean simple pop songs can't be good).

Did you even comprehend what that guy was saying?

He said that ALL forms of J-Music had those differences be it Pop or Rock. The Pop music cannot be more bland than their Rock music when ALL those genre's have the same underlying musical structure.  As for Japanese chord structures not being westernized - in a way they are, because Jazz also uses the same underlying music structures and last I checked, Jazz wasn't invented in China or Japan.

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k-pop songs have often many different sections where the instrumental switches up a lot, i rarely see that in j-pop (obviously doesn't mean simple pop songs can't be good).

First you said it was melody, now you're talking about arrangements - do you even have a grasp of what you are saying? 

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and yes, one member singing the 20 second chorus is more distinguishable then 5 voices meshed together singing a chorus, what part of that is not understandable?

 

Both are not at all distinguishable when there's subtle to no great variation either in tone or in volume of the voice(s) on a vocal line. 20 odd seconds cannot not hit it for showing personality off, either - the time's just not there to illustrate it. 

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[echobunny]

4 hours ago, DRK said:

Did you even comprehend what that guy was saying?

He said that ALL forms of J-Music had those differences be it Pop or Rock. The Pop music cannot be more bland than their Rock music when ALL those genre's have the same underlying musical structure.  As for Japanese chord structures not being westernized - in a way they are, because Jazz also uses the same underlying music structures and last I checked, Jazz wasn't invented in China or Japan.

First you said it was melody, now you're talking about arrangements - do you even have a grasp of what you are saying? 

 

Both are not at all distinguishable when there's subtle to no great variation either in tone or in volume of the voice(s) on a vocal line. 20 odd seconds cannot not hit it for showing personality off, either - the time's just not there to illustrate it. 

blues and jazz chords are used everywhere around the world but the melodies are quite different, so is the arrangement, so is the mixing. that man may have his opinions about japanese music, but he's not talking about the differences of k-pop and j-pop nor is he saying pop music can't be bland, especially idol music. he is pointing out though, how different chord progression in japanese music can be compared to american music, something anyone can immediately hear. so if you can hear the difference in the melodies of american and japense pop music, you should be able to hear it in k-pop music (which is heavily influenced by r'n'b and hiphop). this is what i've said from he beginning, it's the freaking melodies.

rock music is a genre that can fully explore those million chord changes, pop music can't. it has to be danceable, easy on the ears and catchy, if done wrong it ends up sounding bland, like girls2.

Edited April 15, 2021 by echobunny

[DRK]

4 hours ago, echobunny said:

blues and jazz chords are used everywhere around the world but the melodies are quite different, so is the arrangement, so is the mixing. that man may have his opinions about japanese music, but he's not talking about the differences of k-pop and j-pop nor is he saying pop music can't be bland, especially idol music. he is pointing out though, how different chord progression in japanese music can be compared to american music, something anyone can immediately hear. so if you can hear the difference in the melodies of american and japense pop music, you should be able to hear it in k-pop music (which is heavily influenced by r'n'b and hiphop). this is what i've said from he beginning, it's the freaking melodies.

It's all about the fricking 4 chord RnB melodies that are simplistic, overused and, therefore, stale VS more elaborate, more ambitious  melodies that are created with complex jazz-like chord progressions:

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Marty: Maybe you can see the similarity to some of the Japanese songs I played before. It‟s very non-R&B, there‟s no blues in there, there‟s no rapping. To me, it still sounds a little French to me, maybe I‟m just kind of weird that way but I think some of the melodic structures are French but, it‟s a very typical Japanese style of melody. Let me explain with my guitar. In Japan a lot of songs, my song included, have a rather long chord progression that takes you through a lot of different emotions till it gets to the end result. Whereas often times in American music you‟ll have a four-chord progression that will repeat the chord rogression over and over again and then the singer will just kind of show his or her interpretation over that. But in Japan it‟s kind of a long journey of many chords from the beginning to the end.

 

 

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rock music is a genre that can fully explore those million chord changes, pop music can't. it has to be danceable, easy on the ears and catchy, if done wrong it ends up sounding bland, like girls2.

Nonsense. That's just an opinion. Your opinion. I've heard plenty of catchy JPop songs with "those fricking melodies". Perfume, for example, may not work for you but it sure as hell does work for me.

From my perspective the first Girls2 song is actually catchier than Step And A Step which is quite toothless and inoffensive in it's production. There's absolutely nothing cutting edge in Step & a Step that grabs you by the throat and pulls you in. 

This is how I'd rate

Step & A Step:  inoffensive, safe, not compelling

Make You Happy: annoying.

Party Time: catchy, safe, not compelling

Starrrt!: meh!

 

Edited April 15, 2021 by DRK

[abra]

I'm curious about why you made this thread. Because the groups are similar?

I think the Girls2 songs are ok. They're not fantastic but LDH were clever by identifying that the primary school and kindergarten market ihadn't been cornered yet.

14 hours ago, echobunny said:

the biggest difference in j-pop and k-pop are melodies. i still think the 9 niziu members can be distinguished better than most japanese idol groups, mainly because everyone has their own lines which adds to the personality of a song. but it's not something that can't be replicated. i bet if these girls would get the same producers they'd end up sounding a lot like niziu

A lot of J-idol groups let the members have their own lines though

[DRK]

19 minutes ago, abra said:

I'm curious about why you made this thread. Because the groups are similar?

I think the Girls2 songs are ok. They're not fantastic but LDH were clever by identifying that the primary school and kindergarten market ihadn't been cornered yet.

A lot of J-idol groups let the members have their own lines though

Yes. I think, by the time LDH are done, they're going to find ways to make Girls2 clash with Niziu. At least, that's the vibe I'm getting. No, LDH don't intend launching the group internationally - that's clear from the "YouTube Ver" tag.

 

Edited April 15, 2021 by DRK

[DRK]

17 minutes ago, abra said:

A lot of J-idol groups let the members have their own lines though

Mhm. But IMO the voices need to be distinguishing enough to have impact, else... 

[blank_stare]

Not a fan of the group but they’re ok. Not my demographics. I like iScream more than this group. 

[bzz]

On 4/15/2021 at 8:02 AM, DRK said:

We'll agree to disagree here.

I found the simplistic structure of the first song to actually be catchier than either "Step & A Step" (which I found toothless but pleasant yet not particularly cutting edge in any way) and especially "Make U Happy" which I found massively annoying.

It's the same with Niziu. There just isn't enough vocal tonal variation between the members for it to be meaningful. The 2 female members of ABBA had a much wider tonal variation than the nine members of Niziu!

Not really, it's about the same. 

I see that with the whole of K-Pop, actually, with the exception of CL.

Nope. If you turn J idol song melodies into sheet music, you will see that the note range in each verse is narrow. Actually, the same applies to K idol song but, the narrow range sits in high register here. So, it sounds less bland (but can be more grating and usually sounds terrible live).

K-pop songs usually are catchier as they follow 'ear worm' formula, that 1 short line repeated over and over. An utter example of ear worm formula is "Zimzalabim" where this meaningless word is repeated countless times. When J idols do this repetitive structure, they change the word a bit to avoid repetition. An example is "Suki to iwasetai" from IZ*One. In the first half of the song, the lyric in the hook part is "Suki to iwasetai, won't you kiss?" and, it's "Suki to iinasai one more kiss" in the second half.

At very least, each member gets solo lines as oppose to Girl2's completely choral songs. (In fact, Rima and Ayaka have very noticeable voices, despite it's for a wrong reason in the case of Ayaka.) Your attempt to drag ABBA into the discussion is laughable as they have nothing to do with J nor K pop idols.

Nope. It truly is simpler. The intricateness of the choreograph comes into 2 ways, the dance move itself or the formation. K-pop idol groups with simpler dance moves tend to have intricate formation, NiziU is not an exception.

K-pop groups also emphasizes on catchy point move. In each choreography is the attempt to create at least one memorable move. For examples, the skipping dance in "Make You Happy", the TT move in "TT". This idea does not present in Girls2 and J-pop in general.

That's a fiction. NiziU gets popular for personality. To be acknowledged for personality, 2 key factors are required, the personality of the members itself and the presentation of it. I know nothing about the personality of Girls2's members but, the personality presentation certainly is lacking.

Your comment reeks of bias and prejudice.

On 4/15/2021 at 10:48 AM, DRK said:

It's absolutely got nothing to do with the melodies. In fact Japanese melodies tend to be more complex than the American ones.  A Japanese song typically uses a 60 chord progression whereas a typical western song uses a 4/6 chord progression. 

No they couldn't - not if they weren't paying attention. Simply because there's no wide tonal variation between the singers. especially if the listener was mildly intoxicated  or if the music was masked by the louder sounds of a television blaring in another room or if one was paying attention to something else whilst the music plays in the background. 

K-pop music generally is more complicated than J-pop ones as explained in these videos.

At very least, ones can hear the vocal tone difference if they pay close attention to unlike Girls2's choral songs.

On 4/15/2021 at 10:36 PM, abra said:

I think the Girls2 songs are ok. They're not fantastic but LDH were clever by identifying that the primary school and kindergarten market ihadn't been cornered yet.

A lot of J-idol groups let the members have their own lines though

Nah. It's not. The very reason why child market had not been tapped on is the purchase power. Kids get products bought by their parents. So, the advertising of products to be consumed by kids focuses on convincing the parent to buy and not the kid.

But, not this group so, your argument is invalid.

On 4/15/2021 at 10:53 PM, DRK said:

Yes. I think, by the time LDH are done, they're going to find ways to make Girls2 clash with Niziu. At least, that's the vibe I'm getting. 

No. Girls2 will never be NiziU's rival. It will never be able to.

4 hours ago, blank_stare said:

 I like iScream more than this group. 

Wait! iScream has debuted?

 

I'm not really a With U but, here is my opinion.

Visual and skill wise, this group is not at all inferior to NiziU.

Like a typical J idol group, the group gets simple dance formation and is not as in sync as NiziU.

The costume and makeup looked good but, some members looked mature. The makeup should have made them looked younger so, it would not look like that big of age gap.

The group will never get NiziU's level of promotion and budget.

While the music is epitome bubblegum pop, the dance is very energetic and powerful. They all have the same level of energy and no noticeable dance hole but, they all over-dance.

The songs are like "they have dropped yet more songs" and that's it. Nothing is special, is memorable about these songs.

I wish the contract does not have long fixed duration. I doubt the group will go anywhere and wish members can just leave the group whenever they want to.

This group is not really new, debuted like 2 years ago. I come to check a new LDH's girl group out.

Edited April 17, 2021 by bzz

[abra]

2 hours ago, bzz said:

 

Nah. It's not. The very reason why child market had not been tapped on is the purchase power. Kids get products bought by their parents. So, the advertising of products to be consumed by kids focuses on convincing the parent to buy and not the kid.

But, not this group so, your argument is invalid.

 

welcome back to the forum

The only thing I remember with this group is seeing parents with their kids. But I made a quick check and it seems it might have been mirage2 or lovely2, which I thought were just girls2 subunits. Regardless, if the kids become fans their parents will want to support them.

 

[bzz]

3 hours ago, abra said:

 But I made a quick check and it seems it might have been mirage2 or lovely2, which I thought were just girls2 subunits. Regardless, if the kids become fans their parents will want to support them.

I remember seeing mirage2. I believe it was a separated group, not a sub-unit.

Why make it complicated taking bypass route? KARA had quite a number of kid fans who liked the group after their parents brought the kids to concert with them. On the other hand, will parent let kid go to concert alone or go to concert with the kid if the parent is not fan of the group?

Edited April 17, 2021 by bzz

[DRK]

On 4/17/2021 at 11:02 AM, bzz said:

Nope. If you turn J idol song melodies into sheet music, you will see that the note range in each verse is narrow. Actually, the same applies to K idol song but, the narrow range sits in high register here. So, it sounds less bland (but can be more grating and usually sounds terrible live).

It's going to sound bland if there's no variation in the vocal line. In addition, it's also going to sound annoying, which is what I felt with "Make You Happy. In fact, it did not "Make Me Happy". That particular song annoyed me to no end. As for terrible live performances. I wouldn't waste my time listening to live performances of KPOP. 

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K-pop songs usually are catchier as they follow 'ear worm' formula, that 1 short line repeated over and over. 

Some like it. Others like me, don't. We find it far too repetitive and dull.

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At very least, each member gets solo lines as oppose to Girl2's completely choral songs. (In fact, Rima and Ayaka have very noticeable voices, despite it's for a wrong reason in the case of Ayaka.) Your attempt to drag ABBA into the discussion is laughable as they have nothing to do with J nor K pop idols.

You mean all 24 seconds if it (and that's me being generous)? LOL. Abba, like JPop and K-Pop is just that, Pop. Your attempt trying to differentiate J/K  Pop by limiting it to idol pop is simply a deliberate attempt to skew the argument your way and is ultimately meaningless. Pop is Pop, whether it's from America, The UK, Japan, Sweden, Germany or Korea.

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Your comment reeks of bias and prejudice.

That's what K-Pop fans say to any criticism of K-Pop.

On 4/17/2021 at 11:02 AM, bzz said:

No. Girls2 will never be NiziU's rival. It will never be able to.

Bold words, especially when it's clear that this group's still being tweaked. We'll see what happens. Lot's of uncertainty in the market. Look below.  

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Nope. It truly is simpler. The intricateness of the choreograph comes into 2 ways, the dance move itself or the formation. K-pop idol groups with simpler dance moves tend to have intricate formation, NiziU is not an exception.

But the moves are still simplistic. And not energetic. The dance formations are nothing spectacular.

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Like a typical J idol group, the group gets simple dance formation and is not as in sync as NiziU.

Girls2 has better upper body movements than Niziu and more energy in their performances with the formations are not there.

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K-pop music generally is more complicated than J-pop ones as explained in these videos.

 

That's your make up. The first video only talks about KPop, there's no comparison to JPOP. I didn't watch the second video. The first video looks more like a hype video for K-Pop than anything else. Sorry, but I'll take Marty Friedman's word over this. Also this video which compares American Pop to JPop:

 

 

On 4/17/2021 at 11:02 AM, bzz said:

The group will never get NiziU's level of promotion and budget.

No they won't, until they deserve it.

You must realise that the the J-idol scene is set to massively collapse in the next few years. In fact, a Japanese friend of mine who works in the J-idol industry point blank told me "Niziu will have their fun for two-three years, after that it is over". According to him, JYP and Sony are wasting their money on this project. That is, of course his opinion but it does help explain why the Japanese Idol Offices are not putting too much of  their money into anything new. It's almost as if LDH are bracing themselves. In fact my friend thinks that only Nogizaka has a sure-shot chance of survival and that's NOT because of the music. Bands are going to be the next big thing in Japan - ask Ronald, he'll tell you that.

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The songs are like "they have dropped yet more songs" and that's it. Nothing is special, is memorable about these songs.

I don't see anything memorable or cutting edge in Niziu, either. I was annoyed by the first one. The other was just OK, it hasn't given me any impetus to check out Niziu's other songs.

 

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This group is not really new, debuted like 2 years ago. I come to check a new LDH's girl group out.

That's because they're in no hurry to put this group out. The same thing with Amuse's group, @onefive. It's there, but it's simply not a priority for them. Not now, and especially not when the "idol boom" is about to go bust.

Who knows, JYP's gamble might work, then again, it might not, if my friend is correct.

 

Edited April 19, 2021 by DRK

[bzz]

1 hour ago, DRK said:

It's going to sound bland if there's no variation in the vocal line. In addition, it's also going to sound annoying, which is what I felt with "Make You Happy. In fact, it did not "Make Me Happy". That particular song annoyed me to no end. As for terrible live performances. I wouldn't waste my time listening to live performances of KPOP.

Some like it. Others like me, don't. like repetition.

You mean all 24 seconds if it (and that's me being generous)? LOL. Abba, like JPop and K-Pop is just that, Pop. Your attempt trying to differentiate J/K  Pop by limiting it to idol pop is simply a deliberate attempt to skew the argument your way and is ultimately meaningless. Pop is Pop, whether it's from America, The UK, Japan, Sweden, Germany or Korea.

That's what K-Pop fans say to any criticism of K-Pop. 

Bold words, especially when it's clear that this group's still being tweaked. We'll see what happens. Lot's of uncertainty in the market. Look below.  

But the moves are still simplistic. And not energetic. The dance formations are nothing spectacular.

Girls2 has better upper body movements than Niziu and more energy in their performances.

 

That's your make up. The first video only talks about KPop, there's no comparison to JPOP. I didn't watch the second video. The first video looks more like a hype video for K-Pop than anything else. Sorry, but I'll take Marty Friedman's word over this.

 

No they won't, until they deserve it.

You must realise that the the J-idol scene is set to massively collapse in the next few years. In fact, a Japanese friend of mine who works in the J-idol industry point blank told me "Niziu will have their fun for two-three years, after that it is over". According to him, JYP and Sony are wasting their money on this project. That is, of course his opinion but it does help explain why the Japanese Idol Offices are not putting too much of  their money into anything new. It's almost as if LDH are bracing themselves. In fact my friend thinks that only Nogizaka has a sure-shot chance of survival and that's NOT because of the music. Bands are going to be the next big thing in Japan - ask Ronald, he'll tell you that.

I don't see anything memorable or cutting edge in Niziu, either. I was annoyed by the first one. The other was just OK, it hasn't given me any impetus to check out Niziu's other songs.

 

That's because they're in no hurry to put this group out. The same thing with Amuse's group, @onefive. It's there, but it's simply not a priority for them. Not now, and especially not when the "idol boom" is about to go bust.

Who knows, JYP's gamble might work, then again, it might not, if my friend is right.

You should have titled this thread as "Need NiziU's fans to compliment this LDH's group" if you won't take any criticism objectively.

You also have admitted to be K-pop hater yet dared to say K-pop fans could not take criticism on K-pop.

Are you alright? Why did you demand K-pop fans to say J-pop was better?

Edited April 19, 2021 by bzz

[DRK]

3 hours ago, bzz said:

You also have admitted to be K-pop hater yet dared to say K-pop fans could not take criticism on K-pop.

LOL! I don't hate it but I am cold to it. It just has not captivated me like it evidently has, you. And I happen to be a hell of a lot more demanding than you when it comes to music.

It's basically true that KPop fans can't take any criticism of KPop especially when things that matter to KPOP fans, like stats and Billboard performances, are questioned. You see  every time someone or other critiques those things. Words like "racist" are, in turn, bandied around by K-Pop fans. I've seen it many times, trust me 

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You should have titled this thread as "Need NiziU's fans to compliment this LDH's group" if you won't take any criticism objectively.

Not really, considering I feel that Niziu, @onefive and Girls2 have miles to go before they even become listenable, let alone memorable. That is, if they ever  do. 

Did you even bother to read my opinions on the songs put out girls2 and Niziu? 'Cause you sure post like you haven't. I'll recap, for your benefit:

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Step & A Step:  inoffensive, safe, not compelling

Make You Happy: annoying.

Party Time: catchy, safe, not compelling

Starrrt!: meh!

Now, looking back again on what you said: "you should have titled this thread as..." My response: Evidently that skipped your attention. 

I started the @onefive thread and then criticized the producers right on that thread. Would you dare to do that with any K-Pop group thread you created?  Answer me?  Would you?

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Are you alright? Why did you demand K-pop fans to say J-pop was better?

I am, are you? Can you read between the lines? In fact, can you read at all? I posted those videos to show you what actual, critically acclaimed musicians thought about JPOP, thanks to the generalizations brought about by the other Kpopper.

I also critiqued two songs of each group, yet you still...  So much for being alright!

Note that both Marty and the African-American Jazz player guy singled out JPOP, vs APOP not K-POP.

APOP has nothing to prove, by the way, it's proved itself, over the  past decades. And JPOP seems to be happy where they are . KPoppers and KPOP are the only ones who feel that they need to prove something, hence the obsession with stats. streaming...

Edited April 19, 2021 by DRK

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On 4/19/2021 at 12:33 PM, DRK said:

 

 

Bands are going to be the next big thing in Japan - ask Ronald, he'll tell you that.

 

I doubt bands are gonna be the next big thing. More like pop rock songs are gonna come back with a touch of hip hop. Much like what FLOW, Shounen No Kaze, KATTUN songs, SIXTONES have and City Pop is a hit right now.