The theory of female idol generation that the opinions are still different…

[abra]

2 hours ago, satoori said:

Basically this Korean OP is only looking at Kpop girl groups and not the entire Kpop industry. (e.g. Kpop overall started around 1992 with Seo Taiji,  but the first Kpop girl group didn't debut till 1997.) Listing down the years the Korean OP included, it seems they're sort of (perhaps unintentionally) doing a concept I follow for determining generations too. Every decade is a new generation. And a decimal (e.g. ".5") is used to describe increments in between.

Expect things sort of get trickey once they hit the third gen. Instead of starting in 2017 they list 2014. This is exactly why I personally don't separate boy and girl groups because things falls in place a lot better. By starting at 1992 instead of 1997, it still works for girl groups too...

(1st gen) 1992 - 2001: Baby Vox, SES, Fin.Kl, Jewelry

(2nd gen) 2002 - 2011: Wondergirls, SNSD, Kara, Sister, Girls Day, Apink

(3rd gen) 2012 - 2021: Red Velvet, Twice, Blackpink, Gidle, Izone, Itzy

Also - Increments can still be applied here too. 1.5, 2.5, 3.5 can be used for groups debuting near the later half of the decade. (e.g. 3.5 - Gidle, Itzy, Izone)

Pretty sure we've talked about this before but there was nothing new going on in 2012-2013 for girl groups to herald a new generation. I think it's better to base it on shifts in the industry/waves of popular new groups than to base it only on time. It makes things harder to keep track of but I think it's the only way to make the generations actually mean something.

 

In which case we might be at the start of a new generation now.

[abra]

6 minutes ago, felidae said:

Alright I now see why people say it's currently 4th gen although I still don't know when it starts. There's a shift on how things done thanks to pandemic, and right before it ifans have more significant effect on groups than, lets say on 2018.

I legit questioning op's lack of 2009 debutees aka the golden era of kpop (2ne1 t-ara f(x) etc).

Remember when 2009 was considered the start of the third gen? abra remembers

[abra]

25 minutes ago, felidae said:

The impact was that big. 

(But no I wasnt here yet)

 

Edit : 3rd gen started in exo era, no? 2013/14? When physical albums matter again? The start of "you touch oppa and you die" era? The start of "public fed up with idols" and the reclining numbers of idol shows? 

When I first got into kpop fandom in 2013 the "current gen" was the third gen (2009->) while second gen was approx 2003-2008 but then some years later they had been shifted to second gen and third gen was 2014-> for girl groups. I think boy and girl group gens were similar until recently because there was no female EXO.