OnlyOneOf Members Personally Address Sexually Explicit Dance Moves That Sparked Controversy

[one-hoe wonho]

why do people talk as if queerbaiting is new to the k-pop scene, especially in male groups. we see it all the time. if there's no queerbaiting involved, the act of skinship and fanservice is being shown instead.

the choreo is not provocative in the slighest. we see male groups having to fuck the air all the time in their performances, but that is seen as sexy and hot. the hypocrisy is big on this one 

[WhateverBitch]

39 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

@WhateverBitch

With the explanation that Love give it doesn't exclude their MV as being a marketing gimmick and that is why someone from a queer background will side eye their performances. So I can fully understand that, it is why its important to ask if they are part of our community. If not, it doesn't make sense for their acts. 

But I am also old enough to remember how the queerbating of madonna/Britney helpt our generation to be more visible. Not every means to an end has to be bad.

I agree with you, it's obvious that gay storylines in kpop are a marketing gimmick and I understand if people feel offended by it, my issue is with people specifically claiming they feel queerbaited. As I have said, idols are simply acting out a story, it might not come from genuine care, but that doesn't mean they're "queerfishing" fans for playing a character in a video. Meanwhile fanservice is what should be discouraged and called out. 

Edited April 10, 2021 by WhateverBitch
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[hynapia]

4 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

You seem to know them better than I do and I am too lazy to google everything about them now, but I am curious about one thing. Have you ever thought some of them are queer? If not, why do they have gay erotic videos? Its one thing to be more open-minded and want to support a cause, its another to have always had these videos and not be part of a community that is marginalised. I am not saying they are using the gay community as a gimmick, but I am curious about their motives.

Anyways, more exposure is also a good thing for the gays it opens the debate and gets homophobes out in the open, so I am happy. 

We can't possibly know if some of them are part of the lgtb+ community or not because there's virtually no openly gay idols in Korea (there's some solo artists like Holland but he doesn't even promote in music shows afaik) so some of them could be, who knows. But it's not like they do "gay erotic videos". They just have some homoerotic choreos because their music it's always been sensual and it's a way to express that sensuality I guess. Also, their creative director is Jaden Jeong who seems to like adding queer coded stuff like we saw in some Loona's pre-debut videos.

I don't see how that's any different to many other groups that had "fanservice" in their choreos as well and nobody complained that much. Also, if only queer people could participate in queer coded works, by that logic all the actors that have played lgtb+ characters in movies or series should have been lgtb+ themselves then?

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, WhateverBitch said:

People keep on using the term queerbaiting and I am so tired of it. 

This and the Monster video from Red Velvet aren't queerbaiting, the story of the videos clearly depicts same-sex attraction/relationships, even if there isn't a kiss, which, to be fair, wouldn't have happened even in a heterosexual storyline (we all know kpop). In most videos idols are acting out a storyline, they're not specifically playing themselves.

What I think we should call out instead is idols real life queerbaiting fanservice, for example when they feed bs to fans that x-member is their husband/wife and they go overboard with uncomfortable skinship for the sake of fanfictions. 

This is my opinion as a queer person. 

Literally this. In the making off Junji literally said he and Rie are playing as a couple, so if they're playing as characters I don't see what's the difference between that or actors/actresses playing lgtb+ characters in a movie regardless of their sexuality. Queerbating imo would be including a random homoerotic scene as fanservice in a video where the lyrics or the story have nothing to do with with a lgtb storyline.

[dumdidumdi]

Seeing so many people call it queerbaiting has been frustrating for me.

Queerbaiting is when a piece of media hints at a same-sex relationship but never actually depicts it. One of the most famous examples is Supernatural’s Destiel. They hint at the characters being queer and being romantically and/or sexually attracted to each other but they never explicitly say or show it. This music video is just a story starring the members of OnlyOneOf, it is never implied that the members are LGBTQ+ themselves - they’re playing roles. And the MV itself isn’t queerbaiting either because the only relationship that is shown or is implied is of a sexual nature and not a romantic one. It’s a k-pop music video – you’re not going to see them making out and you’re definitely not going to see anything more explicit than that.

Has it been done to drum up attention? Probably. In that sense it is fanservice because this type of thing (at least to this degree) is rare in k-pop and it attracts fans that either just think it’s hot or LGBTQ+ fans that are looking for any type of representation. Companies know this and can use it to their advantage.

You can think that it’s harmful for companies to use queer storylines to garner attention, or that only LGBTQ+ people should play LGBTQ+ characters, but that’s not what queerbaiting is – there’s no bait and switch happening here.

Personally, I think it can be harmful, but in this instance it’s tastefully done enough that I don’t think it’s going to set any movement back. I think (and this is largely anecdotal) that young people trying to figure themselves out can benefit from any sort of queer representation in popular media – even if it’s not the most accurate. When you’re young you don’t know that it’s inaccurate – maybe it’s a story that blurs the lines between romance and “bromance” or maybe it’s a sensual scene between two women made for the male gaze – but a young queer person can look at it and relate to it even if it wasn’t made with the purest, most educational purposes in mind. This music video doesn’t portray them as bad for having these desires, and the description of the video confirms that the intention is to show that these feelings are normal and expected – and that’s important to note. I’d rather have this than another bury your gays silver screen moment.

TL;DR: The music video is not queerbaiting and something being a marketing ploy doesn’t necessarily mean it can only be harmful

 

 

[Dont mind me]

One of the reasons why I liked the performances was  because it is queer coded.

However being it a sensitive topic i can understand someone seeing it as a fake support.

[hynapia]

21 minutes ago, dumdidumdi said:

Seeing so many people call it queerbaiting has been frustrating for me.

Queerbaiting is when a piece of media hints at a same-sex relationship but never actually depicts it. One of the most famous examples is Supernatural’s Destiel. They hint at the characters being queer and being romantically and/or sexually attracted to each other but they never explicitly say or show it. This music video is just a story starring the members of OnlyOneOf, it is never implied that the members are LGBTQ+ themselves - they’re playing roles. And the MV itself isn’t queerbaiting either because the only relationship that is shown or is implied is of a sexual nature and not a romantic one. It’s a k-pop music video – you’re not going to see them making out and you’re definitely not going to see anything more explicit than that.

Has it been done to drum up attention? Probably. In that sense it is fanservice because this type of thing (at least to this degree) is rare in k-pop and it attracts fans that either just think it’s hot or LGBTQ+ fans that are looking for any type of representation. Companies know this and can use it to their advantage.

You can think that it’s harmful for companies to use queer storylines to garner attention, or that only LGBTQ+ people should play LGBTQ+ characters, but that’s not what queerbaiting is – there’s no bait and switch happening here.

Personally, I think it can be harmful, but in this instance it’s tastefully done enough that I don’t think it’s going to set any movement back. I think (and this is largely anecdotal) that young people trying to figure themselves out can benefit from any sort of queer representation in popular media – even if it’s not the most accurate. When you’re young you don’t know that it’s inaccurate – maybe it’s a story that blurs the lines between romance and “bromance” or maybe it’s a sensual scene between two women made for the male gaze – but a young queer person can look at it and relate to it even if it wasn’t made with the purest, most educational purposes in mind. This music video doesn’t portray them as bad for having these desires, and the description of the video confirms that the intention is to show that these feelings are normal and expected – and that’s important to note. I’d rather have this than another bury your gays silver screen moment.

TL;DR: The music video is not queerbaiting and something being a marketing ploy doesn’t necessarily mean it can only be harmful

 

 

I'm not really sure about that because yeah, the song and the concept is mostly about the sexual desire/drive but for example one of the members said this in the making off:

He said "partners" but it's not clear if he meant only sexual partners or romantic partners too, but seeing the video it looks more like they're in a romantic relationship because they have some intimate/couple-like gestures like holding hands, hugging, etc. With the other members is more ambiguous because some of them only seem to feel sexual desire indeed (with scenes in which one member is looking at other random member being shirtless and stuff...).

But I agree with everything you said. They're acting according to a storyline, not adding a random gay moment for the sake of fanservice only.

[camilocorream]

2 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

@WhateverBitch

With the explanation that Love gave it doesn't exclude their MV as being a marketing gimmick and that is why someone from a queer background will side eye their performances. So I can fully understand that, it is why its important to ask if they are part of our community. If not, it doesn't make sense for their acts. 

But I am also old enough to remember how the queerbating of madonna/Britney helpt our generation to be more visible. Not every means to an end has to be bad.

Tbh as someone who is queer, The whole term queerbaiting is so ugh. I mean unless they are homophobic or with the intention of mocking I couldnt care less. 

[Onetooth]

can people stop using queer baiting with real people?   in the context of tv shows it completely makes sense. when it comes to idols/their interactions it really doesn't.

anyways, as a gay guy i'd like to see more of it. give us more idols in revealing clothes and grabbing each other.

[Guest]

at first, people were "concerned" if the members are comfortable doing it. when it turned out they are, people started complaining that its too shocking. when it turned out other idols were doing sexual concepts all the time, people started complaining about queerbaiting, meanwhile the actual gays love it 

why dont yall stop being clowns and just come out as haters? we know already anyway.

Edited April 11, 2021 by Jeongin

[Hizu]

1 hour ago, Jeongin said:

at first, people were "concerned" if the members are comfortable doing it. when it turned out they are, people started complaining that its too shocking. when it turned out other idols were doing sexual concepts all the time, people started complaining about queerbaiting, meanwhile the actual gays love it 

why dont yall stop being the clowns and just come out as a haters? we know already anyway.

For real.

[MinnieMax]

4 hours ago, Jeongin said:

at first, people were "concerned" if the members are comfortable doing it. when it turned out they are, people started complaining that its too shocking. when it turned out other idols were doing sexual concepts all the time, people started complaining about queerbaiting, meanwhile the actual gays love it 

why dont yall stop being clowns and just come out as haters? we know already anyway.

spot on!

[oh my dora]

On 4/10/2021 at 11:07 PM, hynapia said:

I'm not really sure about that because yeah, the song and the concept is mostly about the sexual desire/drive but for example one of the members said this in the making off:

He said "partners" but it's not clear if he meant only sexual partners or romantic partners too, but seeing the video it looks more like they're in a romantic relationship because they have some intimate/couple-like gestures like holding hands, hugging, etc. With the other members is more ambiguous because some of them only seem to feel sexual desire indeed (with scenes in which one member is looking at other random member being shirtless and stuff...).

But I agree with everything you said. They're acting according to a storyline, not adding a random gay moment for the sake of fanservice only.

I'd like to add that Nine said he's meant to make Mill jealous. It is as clear as day that they had an actual storyline going on and didn't just throw in these scenes. Not only that, but the members themselves have credits on the album. They spoke about it even more on the radio show. Demian said it reminds him of call me by your name. At the end of the day, the people who are complaining are the ones who know nothing about the group and haven't been following them enough to make the claims they're saying

[hynapia]

43 minutes ago, beautiful.onf said:

I'd like to add that Nine said he's meant to make Mill jealous. It is as clear as day that they had an actual storyline going on and didn't just throw in these scenes. Not only that, but the members themselves have credits on the album. They spoke about it even more on the radio show. Demian said it reminds him of call me by your name. At the end of the day, the people who are complaining are the ones who know nothing about the group and haven't been following them enough to make the claims they're saying

Exactly. Junji already confirmed that Rie and him are partners in the MV and now Nine confirmed the thing between him, Love and Mill was supposed to be like a love triangle? If they're playing gay characters how it's queerbating when queerbating means that lgtb stuff is hinted but never despicted or clarified?