Knetz are divided about the reservation system for BigHit’s new building (HYBE)

[satoori]

“BTS also has to make a reservation” Big Hit’s new building, 3 floors dedicated to practice rooms, BTS Museum

This building has 19 floors above ground and seven floors below ground, which is more than enough space to house all the other labels that will now be a part of HYBE.

Another thing to note is that it will have a total of three floors dedicated to practice rooms that can be used through a reservation system. BTS, who are a part of Big Hit, are no exception to this policy.

Since there are many artists under affiliated labels, they will be using this system in order to use the practice rooms in a fair manner. Affiliated labels will have to pay a fee to use the practice rooms as well. Because they are officially a separate corporation, it is a natural route to take in terms of corporate accounting.

Two of the seven floors underground will be dedicated to building a museum for BTS. This museum will cover the history of BTS since their debut in 2013. Records related to BTS and the members, including trophies and awards, will be exhibited in the museum. This ‘BTS Museum’ is expected to become another hot spot for fans around the world. This museum is planning to be opened to the public with a fee. cr

original post: theqoo

1. BTS took a big part in helping the agency move to that building. They should give them their own floor!

2. They were able to give BTS their own practice rooms, but what is this?

3. You can’t give BTS their own practice rooms? BTS took a big part in helping the agency move to that building..

4. My office also uses the reservation system for our meeting rooms and it seems like an efficient way to run things

5. There are no floors for BTS, but there are two floors dedicated to building a pay museum for BTS where they make money from BTS fans

6. BTS won’t use the practice room for 365 days, what would you do if it was empty?

7. I thought for sure they would have given BTS a floor for themselves!

8. Doesn’t BTS deserve special treatment? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

9. Don’t the boys deserve a whole floor to themselves!?

10. Big Hit is weird… Please treat BTS properly. CR.

[satoori]

of course, it make sense to share properly now that there are more artists. so i don't see the big deal with the reservation system.

[satoori]

Another thing to note is that it will have a total of three floors dedicated to practice rooms that can be used through a reservation system. 

the practices rooms must be huge o.o

 

[satoori]

2 hours ago, echobunny said:

what was the point of buying out those smaller labels if they gonna treat them like this? they have to pay bh to use the practice rooms?

 

2 hours ago, namidaone said:

So the creative branding that the sublabel artists have worked for years 
get sacrificed to fit the main label's worldview 
But when it comes to expenses like dance practice rooms, the sublabels have to pay that on their own. 
 

 

11 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

If you couldn't even give a simple practice room per company at minimum, why did you even bought them? That's so shitty BH. Aren't you forcing them to pay by keeping them in your company now? 

 

 

all of y'all do realize this building is not owned by hybe? they still have to pay rent. of course, the sub labels are not going to be able live under roof freely and just have bighit (bts, txt) pay for everything alone.

also apparently each company do have a dance studio of their own according the brand video. @penyair i guess those are different/smaller than whatever  these practice rooms which take up almost an entire floor(?)

Edited March 29, 2021 by satoori

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4 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

They could just stay in their own building but it was against BH's goal of WoRlDwIdE. So yeah I don't expect them to stay free there but it's BH that insisted this idea first. It's absurd to not even give them free practice room even if it works with reservation. 

they would be paying rent(s) either way tho...

the sublabels didn't owned their previous building either.

edit: lol i guess you know more than somu, pledis, koz, and belift too. as if they didn't want to be under the same roof. 

Edited March 29, 2021 by satoori

[satoori]

@lighterxx @echobunny @namidaone

This comment does a good job of summing it up.

"Right know, this building is a joint company. We have many artist from bighit, soumu, pledis, belift and koz.

They need to make this internal rules, in my opinion, using their statement about their financial and accounting, so they can put the cost and expenses on their end-year report.

Every company need to have separate report. Right now the leasing of this building under hybe/bighit ent corp. So their sublabel didn't need to pay any rent because of it.

But, they can't just using the building rent free because it's gonna be a tax evasion for companies, that's why they use this type rent system to make sure the cost and expenses gonna be distributed among sub label for their report.

It's basically just like 10 companies renting 1 building, every company still need to pay the rent, but using their own rules."

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Just now, lighterxx said:

Issue here is some sublabels (at least ones I know) would rent a whole building and naturally would have a practice room for free. Then they would reduce this rent from tax reduction. Now under hybe new building they will pay rent, not get free practice room they already had and can't reduce tax because it would be illegal as they are under the company that has connection with them. They are paying more for less, and you expect people to go ah yes that's entirely logical? We are definitely disagreeing tho, I won't continue discussion to not fight with you. 

renting an entire building is more than simply renting out a dance room and some facilities.

in general, there's absolutely no way these sub labels would be able to live in a building without paying a dime. that makes absolutely no sense to put all the cost on bighit (bts, txt)...

they're paying less for so much more. the fact you can't see that but these sublabels can I guess is why they're in the business and not you...

 

[satoori]

3 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

Am I saying force BTS to pay everything girlie? No I'm not. I'm saying practice rooms for sublabel companies should be free to reserve. Office areas are ofc rented even if its not reduced from tax, they probably have a clause for this in their own contract. Practice rooms on the other hand can easily work with simply reserving for free. Other practice rooms of other companies work like this too, hell they even rent it to outside once a while if room is pretty enough for dance practices. You continuously mix up office area and practice room, one I'm talking is practice rooms explicitly. 

I wrote txt and bts - basically bighit music. so this isn't just about bts.

technically nothing is free when you're living under a building that isn't free. dividing the cost is for accounting purposes. to avoid tax evasions like a certain other big company.

 

[satoori]

6 minutes ago, Wdojcdid8 said:

I still don't understand why plefis felt the need to merge like seventeen and nuest haven't benefitted anything

they've gained more investment and resources.

other then that who knows why pledis decided to join bighit. i guess, we will never know their reasoning or struggles unless soemthing official is released.

edit: i predicted rwb or kq.. not pledis when the articles first came out about bh plans...

Edited March 29, 2021 by satoori

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Just now, lighterxx said:

thats why it is more logical to give practice room for free and when you want to you can rent it out to other companies or dance rooms, not your sublabels. Anyway we are gonna disagree on this satoori and i dont want to argue or fight, have a nice day instead 

Hybe letting outside companies use their facilities doesn't make sense, in my opinion. Especially when they already have so many groups of their own who need the space. And the sublabels probably wouldn't like it either.

(Side note: Maybe one day Hybe will be able to own their own property...)

Yea you're right we're going to disagree because I seriously have no idea what some of y'all are so upset about when this is common and expected.

 

 

[satoori]

reddit comments (r/bangtan and r/kpop):

1. If you think about it, I'm pretty sure they already have a "room reservation" model in place lol. Their groups share spaces way too often without overlap in a much smaller building for there not to be. I'm not too worried. This mainly sounds to me like a way of keeping track of expenses/operating costs for each company under HYBE. Considering there are three floors of practice rooms and studios I can't imagine they'll be fighting for space. If it ever becomes an issue, the interior being so flexible might mean they could expand to add more "artist" space floors but I think they've probably considered how often spaces get used now and how many groups/trainees will be now working under the same building. There'll probably be some hiccups but you live and you learn lol.

2. It’s silly to me that people think practice rooms are going to be an issue. I guarantee you if BH thought BTS would be hindered by a shortage of practice rooms, they’d add more practice rooms. Reservations are probably mostly for convenience so artists don’t have to manually check different floors or whatever for a room to practice in on a given day, which would waste time. Also, if you gather room utilization stats, it’s way easier for the company to plan for future growth/expansion preemptively.

3. If anything, having a booking system could be taken as a sign of them having more flexibility due to different studios having different equipment / sizes / specifications overall – ie space for set pieces (see: the Dionysus MAMA stage) and the likes. That's *good*. I'm really confused that this seems to be such an issue for some people, haha. I get that it might be confusing and look counterintuitive, but in my eyes it's more positive than anything.

4. Internal billing is a very common practice in big businesses. I'm sure there's plenty of space for the groups to practice, and that the price is lower than renting a full building (otherwise Pledis would be staying at their own place, and it's listed for rent right now).

5. Honestly it just sounds like a way of keeping track of expenses/operating costs. That's important when you have a parent company that oversees separate ventures. There's three floors of practice rooms, I'd imagine they're not cramped for space lol. I actually think they already have a similar model in place in their current building because their artists share spaces quite often without overlap, and it's a much smaller building. What I'm most curious about is production space, I know right now a lot of BigHit artists have their own studios, that's how it's pretty much always been. I can't imagine, and don't imagine those will ever be "shared" spaces, outside of recording rooms of course. I guess we'll see once the artists are set up in the space. Also, I thought this was the norm, I've heard it mentioned that SM had a similar reservation model for their practice rooms (sans payment since the artists are under the same company) or am I misremembering?

6. Trust me its not as mean as it sounds like. It’s all internal anyway so it’s not like there is actual cash flow movement. And it’s not like it’s the idols actually wiping out their own fund to pay for this. It would just be an internal invoice sent to their cost center or account code etc. It just to keep track for all these sublabel operating expenses.

 

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15 minutes ago, BlizzardMist said:

TL;DR -- I really don't like the reservation idea.

As a (semi-serious) musician and a (less-serious) dancer who likes consistency and knowing what's coming, but also uses dance and music to cope, I can say that I'd personally be distressed if I were in that situation. Different music practice rooms have different sizes, sound quality, instruments, equipment etc, and different dance studios have different equipment and sound systems, different lighting, different floors, different layouts and markings etc. And while yes, we are trained to be adaptable and to adapt to whatever space we need to perform in, sometimes things, especially in earlier stages of rehearsal can't be moved as easily. If you do tap on specific floors, it ruins the floor. If you do pointe on specific floors, it ruins the floor. If you use the wrong sole-color sneakers on specific floors, it marks the floor. If you train tumbling, acro, leaps or jumps on specific floors, you can really damage your legs, especially if the safety equipment you need isn't there. If you turn on specific floors for a long time, you can rough up your feet really badly.

There is a good reason for there to be different types of studios with different sizes and different floors and different equipment. But if I, on a whim, decide that I want to practice Chinese traditional dance (a substyle of which I'm actually learning right now), and the studios that allow me to practice this safely have been booked up weeks before, that sucks. It's not the end of the world, but it still sucks. Having a space that I can reliably use and know will be proper for the things I want to do is really really nice, and although I've never had that with dance studios, I've definitely had that with music practice rooms. And while yes, I know most Bighit artists aren't doing tap or ballet or acro or trad, and likely don't need specific studios as much, from experience even just The Vibe TM being off makes practicing less productive. A constant space is also really helpful for practice. Floor markings taped out to practice with can stay in the place that you use every time, and you don't have to remeasure and replace whenever you rehearse. You can use markings on the floor or walls as reference points. You don't have to schlepp set pieces and props around. 

(Also, my university is currently having us book study spaces and practice rooms on campus using an app or a website, and it makes it a nightmare to do anything on a whim. If I want to go and practice while I'm on campus, I'm probably not going to be able to because of the reservation system. The practice rooms I need are all booked up, and there's nowhere else I can go. It's for COVID, so I get it, but Bighit isn't doing this for COVID unless I've missed some massive memo, and so I don't understand why the reservation system is needed.)

In my opinion, the ideal would be for there to be one studio that's dedicated to each artist. No need to reserve that one, that's just the standard studio for you and/or your group. If you need specialized equipment, if you need a bigger space, if you need something different, then you reserve one of the other studios. Unless the reservation thing is a long term system where you can reserve it as "your studio" for maybe a few days, a few weeks, or a month, it seems like a logistical nightmare for both individuals who want to dance or choreograph on a whim, as well as for long term group projects. I also wonder if artists themselves will be able to reserve the spaces directly, or if they'll have to go through managers and other staff.

It probably sounds like I'm overreacting, and you know what, I probably am. I doubt that many, if any of the artists would have the same feeling that I have, at least not to the same degree. But this is just my perspective, please don't neg me into oblivion because I will be sad D : (And yes, I know that this is not the most coherent thing I've ever written, I'm sleep-deprived, in pain (partly because I was practicing turns on a Terrible Floor To Turn On yesterday), and a bit annoyed at other people.)

I'm not a fan of the rent thing as a whole, but I think that's more my dislike for large corporations (especially who seem to be working towards a monopoly) speaking.

I agree no need for negs. Many companies with multiple groups/artists under them most likely have some sort of reservation or sign up sheet system to keep things organized. The managers are the ones who handle it. There's no stress for the idols themselves. I agree, people are overreacting. Let's be real, with 3 whole floors dedicated to just dance practice rooms I doubt there will be any huge problems lol And it's not like everyone will be making comebacks all at once. 

Also according to corporate video each company do each have a dance studio. Which if true, I'm guessing is a smaller set up... mostly used for filming official content, maybe... 

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10 minutes ago, BlizzardMist said:

I just completely missed that point in the video oof... If every group, or even company do have an allocated dance studio, then I think that mitigates most of, but not all of the issues with the system. My primary concerns with the reservation system if that is the case is if artists themselves will have access to the studios when they're not being used, either without having to reserve them (IMO the ideal), or by being able to reserve it themselves. Because sometimes you just Wanna Dance or Practice to get stress out, and having to go to your manager to become able to do so kinda sucks. Either way, I'm not a fan of it, but it's also not a big deal.

Personally, I think many of the Knetz's comments are making the parts of this that are a non-issue into an issue. I don't understand why any artist should have, or would need their own floor? Artist-specific dance studios, this makes sense. But what are you putting on a whole artist-specific floor??? Name engraved toilets? Personalized scarf racks? Custom massage chairs for each member? I know these sound super exaggerated, but I genuinely can't come up with proper reasons to have a full floor for an artist that isn't "Let's Waste Tons of Space To Fuel The Fans' Ego." (The only things that I could see being reasonable for an artist specific floor would be: - Dance studio - Possibly Recording studio - Studios for the members who produce, but even still, I don't think this is a good idea)

Note: I've been a BTS stan since like 2015, it's not like I'm saying this because I hate them. I've spent FAR too much time, money and energy supporting them to say this because I'm secretly an anti.

Producers, engineers, choreographers, teachers, arrangers, financial management, etc. don't always work in isolation, so I'm genuinely confused as to what practical reason there would be to have an "artist-specific floor". It makes sense for there to be areas for dance, areas for recording, areas for vocal training, areas for social media management, etc, and if you still feel the need to split those up by artist, splitting them now makes more sense. Because they don't always work in isolation. Even members of groups who are producers still work with other producers. The social media manager for Bighit (or HYBE, this name change confuses me) as a whole has to work directly with the social media managers for each artist's official social media accounts, sublabel accounts, and sublabel news accounts. (Think about all the cross-retweeting and stuff.) So why pull some of them out of the chain? 

Genuinely, I don't get the Knetz's comments at all. Please, if someone understands, can you tell me what the benefits of having an artist specific floor would be, or even what you'd put on it?

I think perhaps you're giving to much freedom to Kpop idols. If the idols need to use a dance room most likely they will inform their managers first. Who will then check if there is any availability (which most likely there will be, I mean 3 whole floors haha). Also in most case idols practice as group unless they have some solo or unit material. Again, plenty of rooms.

"Artist-specific floors"? The floors are not separated by artist it's by company. The video named some things included, such as dance studio, vocal training, recording studios (for example: RM, Suga, Hobi all have their own studios), there's resting areas, dressing rooms, storage, filming studios for shows, and more. 

About how HYBE runs as a company if i remember correctly they're similar to JYPE. Each group has their own team of staff. At least we know that's the case with TXT and BTS. With some staff naturally will crossover. None of the groups/companies are being pulled out of the chain. 

HYBE is the parent company under them is Bighit, Somu, KOZ, and Pledis and more.

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1 minute ago, BlizzardMist said:

My whole thing about the artist specific floors was about what the Knetz were saying, complaining about BTS not having their own floor -- that I don't get at all. That was 100% at the Knetz, not you, and I probably should have made that clearer haha. I think that pulling one artist out of the general workings would disrupt the whole system. Having teams for each group and each company makes sense, but physically distancing one of them doesn't make sense to me. Don't worry about this whole thing at all though, this wasn't directed at you : D

I thought there was some other massive Bighit thing about HYBE? Or am I mistaken? People explained this in a really complicated way but I think I do generally get it now.

Ah I see! lol yea I ignore knetz. Some of them are being entitled and overprotective about BTS here haha >< At the end of the day, BTS will be fine~!

Nah nothing massive that I know of hmmm

• Before: Bighit Labels (Bighit Ent, Pledis, KOZ, SoMu, etc.)
• Now: HYBE (Bighit Ent, Pledis, KOZ, SoMu, etc.)
  Basically they changed the parent company name so people would stop confusing it with Bighit music.