[DailyNaver] TVXQ's Yunho found to have escaped from police after he was caught with a woman at an illegal room salon (Top comment 10k)

[lighterxx]

1 minute ago, satoori said:

tbh it do seem like the police were tipped off. because 4-5 people in a so called closed restaurant/bar like how?  it's either a inside job or it was someone [he knows personally..

all it says about his character, if it's true he was actually there to buy sex, is he's a guy that sleeps with paid workers. because generally going to adult bars or strip clubs isn't illegal(?)

anyways now we know going to "close" establishments is a way idols try to hide dating, partying, or more.

no they ARE illegal, its just there is so many of them Korea doesnt really care about them. Even police officers go these. Even without buying sex, its illegal 

[satoori]

1 minute ago, lighterxx said:

no they ARE illegal, its just there is so many of them Korea doesnt really care about them. Even police officers go these. Even without buying sex, its illegal 

i see, it's illegal in korea.

is the rule similar to gambling? (where koreans can't even gambling in other countries)

[Kami the II.]

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Damn, look at those ^^ upvotes...

Say it again, WHO PAVED THE WAY?

 

 

Edited March 12, 2021 by Kami the II.

[avocadhoe]

27 minutes ago, Belkiss said:

exactly. forget the pandemic , why would a celeb go to such places in the first place? anyone can easily take a pic of him with a prostitute giving him a drink and he can easily get blackmailed 

now before anyone coming and saying he's an adult and he's free to do whatever he wants as long as it's consensual and such,  I agree but this is Korea we talk about and a celeb's image is his life and career 

so it's just mere stupidity 

I absolutely agree it's stupid, but at the same time I can see why a celebrity might go to these places. They can't date like regular people, and while there are examples of people dating/marrying non-celebrities, how do they initially know who they can trust? It's why celebrities tend to date other celebrities, since they both have a reputation to protect.

8 minutes ago, satoori said:

all it says about his character, if it's true he was actually there to buy sex, is he's a guy that sleeps with paid workers. because generally going to adult bars or strip clubs isn't illegal(?)

It is "illegal" but makes up almost 2% of SK's GDP (source) - about 18bil per year. They don't have strip clubs (except one in Gangnam that quickly went out of business in 2015), and instead have 2 main types of adult establishments: message parlors and "business rooms" which essentially provide the same service. Also if there's no sign and all the windows are blacked out... it most likely isn't just a bar or strip club.

I'm sex work positive, but honestly I can't respect guys who go to these places because how do they know the women are there willingly or make sure they are? Unfortunately these places are rampant with sex trafficking victims and women who are indebted to the people running the place. Even those who do it "willingly" might have had to choose between sex work and starving/homelessness.

[satoori]

Let's be real, If SM gets him a good lawyer then he might be able to recover from this...in time (perhaps not enough to save his gig right now with Kingdom tho). Because unless the women were walking around with little to nothing on or people were in the act of having sex, then there might not have been any visible evidence that in the moment the place was a adult entertainment establishment. Tho even the above could be argued as not evidence either. I guess, if everyone stick to the story of hosting a small group gathering at their [normal] restaurant after hours. Then Yunho apology sort of cover this (the one knetz/ifans accepted) and the [normal] restaurant will still be fined a fee.

 

18 minutes ago, avocadhoe said:

It is "illegal" but makes up almost 2% of SK's GDP (source) - about 18bil per year. They don't have strip clubs (except one in Gangnam that quickly went out of business in 2015), and instead have 2 main types of adult establishments: message parlors and "business rooms" which essentially provide the same service. Also if there's no sign and all the windows are blacked out... it most likely isn't just a bar or strip club.

I'm sex work positive, but honestly I can't respect guys who go to these places because how do they know the women are there willingly or make sure they are? Unfortunately these places are rampant with sex trafficking victims and women who are indebted to the people running the place. Even those who do it "willingly" might have had to choose between sex work and starving/homelessness.

Thanks for sharing. I don't know about the place Yuno was at...But in general I'm going to assume there are ways of checking if the workers are willing or not. Otherwise how would some people be sex work positive?

Edited March 12, 2021 by satoori

[avocadhoe]

3 minutes ago, satoori said:

I don't know about the place Yuno was at...But in general I'm going to assume there are ways of checking if the workers are willing or not. Otherwise how would some people be sex work positive?

Yeah, I'll wait until more concrete reports come out to see what type of establishment it was, but atm it isn't looking good.

I'm not saying every single woman in an escort business is there unwillingly, but it doesn't change the fact that many are not. One example of sex work where the rate is much likely lower is OnlyFans. ig one could always argue that someone is on there to avoid poverty though. I see OF in a more positive light since the worker is paid directly, instead of being exploited by their "managers" who take a majority of the profits.

[paimon]

his kfans that go on tangents about how holy he is after every other idol scandal.. yikes

[rananicolee]

39 minutes ago, avocadhoe said:

I absolutely agree it's stupid, but at the same time I can see why a celebrity might go to these places. They can't date like regular people, and while there are examples of people dating/marrying non-celebrities, how do they initially know who they can trust? It's why celebrities tend to date other celebrities, since they both have a reputation to protect.

It is "illegal" but makes up almost 2% of SK's GDP (source) - about 18bil per year. They don't have strip clubs (except one in Gangnam that quickly went out of business in 2015), and instead have 2 main types of adult establishments: message parlors and "business rooms" which essentially provide the same service. Also if there's no sign and all the windows are blacked out... it most likely isn't just a bar or strip club.

I'm sex work positive, but honestly I can't respect guys who go to these places because how do they know the women are there willingly or make sure they are? Unfortunately these places are rampant with sex trafficking victims and women who are indebted to the people running the place. Even those who do it "willingly" might have had to choose between sex work and starving/homelessness.

Exactly this. These places are hold sex trafficking victims. They are held there most of the time against their will. I'm sex worker positive myself. I have a few friends that do sex work. The difference is that they WANT to do sex work via onlyfans or something else but these type of places don't have willing participants. 

I also want to add that many women in places like this are most of the time sexually assaulted by clients and their "managers" turn a blind eye to it. Some women run these places to exploit other women. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by rananicolee

[Midnight~Circus]

Never a dull moment.

This scandal is really blowing up in Korea right now, hence the 10k+ upvotes, since the details of what actually transpired just came to light. Many feel his public apology letter didn't disclose enough of his wrongdoings.

The general public put Yunho on a high pedestal for his model citizen behavior for years hence the strong response/backlash from netizens. His image is taking a huge blow from this.

This went from "a bar/restaurant that a friend owns" to an "illegal room salon" in 24 hours? Yunho and SM are looking like clowns. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by Midnight~Circus

[satoori]

1 minute ago, avocadhoe said:

Yeah, I'll wait until more concrete reports come out to see what type of establishment it was, but atm it isn't looking good.

I'm not saying every single woman in an escort business is there unwillingly, but it doesn't change the fact that many are not. One example of sex work where the rate is much likely lower is OnlyFans. ig one could always argue that someone is on there to avoid poverty though. I see OF in a more positive light since the worker is paid directly, instead of being exploited by their "managers" who take a majority of the profits.

you're right, who knows how things will fall with yunho case. i'm expecting more information will eventually be release now that there are new claims.

 

couldn't some people be forced on onlyfans too tho. traffickers are strategic and have different methods of gaining customers. i don't know, i feel there's no way of knowing for sure. it' a case by case situation. in general back to yunho case, just mingle or date regularly. one-night stands and friends with benefits are not illegal. he shouldn't have even gone the paid worker route (if allegedly true) knowing the risk...

 

[Arceus]

With a woman ? wow

[rananicolee]

18 minutes ago, satoori said:

you're right, who knows how things will fall with yunho case. i'm expecting more information will eventually be release now that there are new claims.

 

couldn't some people be forced on onlyfans too tho. traffickers are strategic and have different methods of gaining customers. i don't know, i feel there's no way of knowing for sure. it' a case by case situation. in general back to yunho case, just mingle or date regularly. one-night stands and friends with benefits are not illegal. he shouldn't have even gone the paid worker route (if allegedly true) knowing the risk...

 

Yes BUT most of the time onlyfans is consensual. The times it's forced is when the victim is 18. 

[felidae]

And I thought police involved bc it's standard for social distancing rule breaking in sk

I also said it's not real scandal

At least he didn't harm anyone but himself. But I read fans draw the line because he/sm "lied"? Hmmm can't blame them. Oh well.

[satoori]

4 minutes ago, rananicolee said:

Yes BUT most of the time onlyfans is consensual. The times it's forced is when the victim is 18. 

i watched to many crime dramas, so i'm always cautious with everything.

the fact so many people believe it's mostly consensual. is the exact type of platform traffickers/criminals would target.

[rananicolee]

1 minute ago, satoori said:

i watched to many crime dramas, so i'm always cautious with everything.

the fact so many people believe it's mostly consensual. is the exact type of platform traffickers/criminals would target.

Well, the fact some of my friends have done it consensually and I've heard a lot of stories from sex workers, it'd be hard to you know have them be victims. Of course there's more than likely cases where there's videos that have actual victims. I'm not saying there isn't because there IS that possibility. 

I think the case with OF is to look who is the one selling it. 

[satoori]

Just now, rananicolee said:

Well, the fact some of my friends have done it consensually and I've heard a lot of stories from sex workers, it'd be hard to you know have them be victims. Of course there's more than likely cases where there's videos that have actual victims. I'm not saying there isn't because there IS that possibility. 

I think the case with OF is to look who is the one selling it. 

i never said there wasn't any willing workers tho

all i'm saying there are risks too.

[rananicolee]

1 minute ago, satoori said:

i never said there wasn't any willing workers tho

all i'm saying there are risks too.

Definitely. With sex work, there's always going to be risks. Strippers, porn actresses, OF sex workers, etc.There will always be a risk. There's also a risk of sex workers being spotted on the streets by their customers and doing the worst things to them. 

[lighterxx]

1 hour ago, satoori said:

i see, it's illegal in korea.

is the rule similar to gambling? (where koreans can't even gambling in other countries)

a bit? i would say its quite similar 

[Thigh-high feminist]

2 hours ago, lighterxx said:

In a way this situations even weirder BCS Cassies for sure could handle a gf, over a room salon. Yes this works for newer groups but most Cassies I know are adults well into their career ..

It sucks that he made that horrible decision which will has potentially jeopardized TVXQ.

[satoori]

6 minutes ago, rananicolee said:

Definitely. With sex work, there's always going to be risks. Strippers, porn actresses, OF sex workers, etc.There will always be a risk. There's also a risk of sex workers being spotted on the streets by their customers and doing the worst things to them. 

Exactly. To many risk.

Tho for some idols maybe they trust sex workers more. Less chances of them telling others or going to media for money.

3 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

a bit? i would say its quite similar 

Meaning they can't go to strip clubs in the U.S. or anywhere it's legal. 

[Hizu]

2 hours ago, lighterxx said:

In a way this situations even weirder BCS Cassies for sure could handle a gf, over a room salon. Yes this works for newer groups but most Cassies I know are adults well into their career ..

Ironically, true. Yunho could have come out publicly with a girlfriend and I think the fandom would have accepted it and congratulated him tbh. 

[Oli London]

Damn, a man that looks like him has to pay for sexy time too?

[lighterxx]

32 minutes ago, satoori said:

Exactly. To many risk.

Tho for some idols maybe they trust sex workers more. Less chances of them telling others or going to media for money.

Meaning they can't go to strip clubs in the U.S. or anywhere it's legal. 

Strip club is ok i think and idk ifthey can go in other places what i meant is people doing it despite not allowing legally

I checked however i read some ceos were investigated for going to red light district in another country so..

Edited March 12, 2021 by lighterxx

[seokii]

Honestly, I just hope the girls of the establishment are living comfortably and getting paid well.

I can't really fault an idol for going to a host/hostess bar (and paying for "services"). As an idol, it's the safest way to get laid. Fans can't be trusted at all, fellow celebrities cause messy situations...

This is still really unflattering for Yunho. Running from police is not a good look lol

[sergel]

 

2021 keeps on giving =/

4 hours ago, Thigh-high feminist said:

swinging over hell on a spider web 

Okay but this is a truly quotable phrase. I’m gonna use it