DSP release second statement answering Hyunjoo's friend's accusations

[abra]

 

 

Idk how they can say for sure that no member cursed her before broadcast, that's actually impossible to prove. The Somin/Chaewon, manager and shoe clarifications seem reasonable.

[felidae]

Hmm so are the accusers indeed her brother and friend? I hope she won't get into trouble (unless she approved them to spill beforehand) because she's still under the same company with her "bullies".

Is it possible that she felt ostracized and it made her think everything even the smallest thing was to make her miserable even though they were unintended? I wouldn't fault her.

Or is it possible that she was truly bullied, and the company did everything to make it seems like poor communication and unfit characters forced together? I heard that the group is in the rise last year?

I hope things become clear and no innocent people would be harmed in the end.

Edited March 1, 2021 by felidae

[Charlene]

Honestly this and previous statement is gaslighting 101. What DSP says is that's all Hyunjoo's fault because she might have some health and mental health problems and she and her entire family are stupid to mistake misunderstandings for hostile behaviour.

This is basically what FNC tried to do with Mina ("Mina is not right in her head 111!!!1") but played smarter and without members exposing themselves first on insta

[KentasGlittery EyeMakeup]

4 minutes ago, Charlene said:

Honestly this and previous statement is gaslighting 101. What DSP says is that's all Hyunjoo's fault because she might have some health and mental health problems and she and her entire family are stupid to mistake misunderstandings for hostile behaviour.

This is basically what FNC tried to do with Mina ("Mina is not right in her head 111!!!1") but played smarter and without members exposing themselves first on insta

Reminds me of that trash Broduce PD who basically wanted blame rigging Baekho out on his mental health and make it out as if he was doing him a favor.

[Nev Schulman]

Tbh I am going to say this but I feel like that Ajax member who made a statement is right. I watched the Unit and saw Hyunjoo cry over nothing. What happened was they were practicing for the song. Hyunjoo then said that she was scared to get hit, the girl then tells her that she should stand on the spot and then proceeds to move. Hyunjoo says no and the girl obviously starts getting annoyed and tugs her a bit. Then she cries

@6:40

[universal girl]

5 minutes ago, Nev Schulman said:

Tbh I am going to say this but I feel like that Ajax member who made a statement is right. I watched the Unit and saw Hyunjoo cry over nothing. What happened was they were practicing for the song. Hyunjoo then said that she was scared to get hit, the girl then tells her that she should stand on the spot and then proceeds to move. Hyunjoo says no and the girl obviously starts getting annoyed and tugs her a bit. Then she cries

@6:40

No comment on the issue on the video but I just wanted to say Hyosun (the other girl in the video) talked about her relationship with Hyunjoo in this video (at 5:05) 

 

[KentasGlittery EyeMakeup]

7 minutes ago, Nev Schulman said:

Tbh I am going to say this but I feel like that Ajax member who made a statement is right. I watched the Unit and saw Hyunjoo cry over nothing. What happened was they were practicing for the song. Hyunjoo then said that she was scared to get hit, the girl then tells her that she should stand on the spot and then proceeds to move. Hyunjoo says no and the girl obviously starts getting annoyed and tugs her a bit. Then she cries

@6:40

The problem with his statement is that he's an extremely biased bystander who is friends with a lot of the members of April and is allegedly dating one of them, so not only does his opinion doesn't matter, as he was not the one experiencing or living through the situation, but he's also backtracked after receiving backlash and deleted his response, so I'd take what he said with a grain of salt.

Bystanders don't get to decide whether somebody was bullied or not, especially if they're biased like this. It matters what the victim experienced and felt. He wasn't there all the time so he wouldn't know. He really put his foot in the mouth with what he said.

We weren't there either so we should wait a bit more before making our judgement, I believe.

[Nev Schulman]

2 minutes ago, universal girl said:

No comment on the issue on the video but I just wanted to say Hyosun (the other girl in the video) talked about her relationship with Hyunjoo in this video (at 5:05) 

 

Yep I remember watching this. But the thing is in the video the girl literally cried as if she was being bullied by her own friend. 

 

3 minutes ago, KentasGlittery EyeMakeup said:

The problem with his statement is that he's an extremely biased bystander who is friends with a lot of the members of April and is allegedly dating one of them, so not only does his opinion doesn't matter, as he was not the one experiencing or living through the situation, but he's also backtracked after receiving backlash and deleted his response, so I'd take what he said with a grain of salt.

Bystanders don't get to decide whether somebody was bullied or not, especially if they're biased like this. It matters what the victim experienced and felt. He wasn't there all the time so he wouldn't know. He really put his foot in the mouth with what he said.

We weren't there either so we should wait a bit more before making our judgement, I believe.

I get your point and I didn't care for his statement until I remember the segment of the show. Yes Hyunjoo can be dramatic as seen. She literally cried over her friend tugging her... come on. She even said "omg my arms were red"  as if she was beat up. Watch the video. Which is why I gave his statement the benefit of the doubt. The behaviour he describes is exactly an example you can see in the video...

[KentasGlittery EyeMakeup]

1 minute ago, Nev Schulman said:

Yep I remember watching this. But the thing is in the video the girl literally cried as if she was being bullied by her own friend. 

 

I get your point and I didn't care for his statement until I remember the segment of the show. Yes Hyunjoo can be dramatic as seen. She literally cried over her friend tugging her... come on. She even said "omg my arms were red"  as if she was beat up. Watch the video. Which is why I gave his statement the benefit of the doubt. The behaviour he describes is exactly an example you can see in the video...

Yes, but to plays the devil's advocate, is she like that naturally, or because she's been bullied before so she overreacts due to trauma? We can't know for sure until the parties involved come out and say it outright. No friends, siblings, boyfriends, the people in question need to speak out. This has grown too big for anyone involved to ignore it.

[abra]

52 minutes ago, felidae said:

Hmm so are the accusers indeed her brother and friend? I hope she won't get into trouble (unless she approved them to spill beforehand) because she's still under the same company with her "bullies".

Is it possible that she felt ostracized and it made her think everything even the smallest thing was to make her miserable even though they were unintended? I wouldn't fault her.

Or is it possible that she was truly bullied, and the company did everything to make it seems like poor communication and unfit characters forced together? I heard that the group is in the rise last year?

I hope things become clear and no innocent people would be harmed in the end.

It wouldn't surprise me if the "truth" is somewhere in between. Hyunjoo's brother and friend are likely to play up/not fully understand the bullying while making Hyunjoo look good. DSP and April members' friends/relatives are likely to omit things and take their side.

I think there are some parts we can understand already:

- Hyunjoo skipped training and other schedules and had poor health

- April members were frustrated with Hyunjoo and they did not get along well

- Somin as the leader was very critical of her (she might've considered this doing her job, while Hyunjoo felt she was personally targeted)

It's also reasonable to think that there was some cursing and that Hyunjoo felt that she was being ostracized because the members didn't like her. It's difficult to say whether this was a case of bullying or members being frustrated with a team member they felt were not pulling her weight or even trying. I will say that regardless it is clear that the April members could have handled this much better and should have shown more compassion for Hyunjoo.

15 minutes ago, Nev Schulman said:

Tbh I am going to say this but I feel like that Ajax member who made a statement is right. I watched the Unit and saw Hyunjoo cry over nothing. What happened was they were practicing for the song. Hyunjoo then said that she was scared to get hit, the girl then tells her that she should stand on the spot and then proceeds to move. Hyunjoo says no and the girl obviously starts getting annoyed and tugs her a bit. Then she cries

@6:40

Hyunjoo is clearly very sensitive which can be frustrating but then the April members should have handled it better, especially Somin as their oldest member and leader.

6 minutes ago, KentasGlittery EyeMakeup said:

The problem with his statement is that he's an extremely biased bystander who is friends with a lot of the members of April and is allegedly dating one of them, so not only does his opinion doesn't matter, as he was not the one experiencing or living through the situation, but he's also backtracked after receiving backlash and deleted his response, so I'd take what he said with a grain of salt.

Bystanders don't get to decide whether somebody was bullied or not, especially if they're biased like this. It matters what the victim experienced and felt. He wasn't there all the time so he wouldn't know. He really put his foot in the mouth with what he said.

We weren't there either so we should wait a bit more before making our judgement, I believe.

It's true that we haven't had any first-hand accounts at all so far and we probably won't get any unless Hyunjoo or the April members speak out, but the other comments should also be considered as they give context as long as we consider that no-one knows the whole truth and that every statement so far has been coming from someone with a vested interest. Maybe the former April staff is the most neutral, but they would not have been as close to any of the concerned parties.

[KentasGlittery EyeMakeup]

1 minute ago, abra said:

It's true that we haven't had any first-hand accounts at all so far and we probably won't get any unless Hyunjoo or the April members speak out, but the other comments should also be considered as they give context as long as we consider that no-one knows the whole truth and that every statement so far has been coming from someone with a vested interest. Maybe the former April staff is the most neutral, but they would not have been as close to any of the concerned parties.

Yeah, I get it and I understand, I just feel like we should remove these bystanders, both the friends, boyfriends and brothers and hear from the people involved themselves. 

[spopo]

just remembering those rumors that popped up around April debut about Naeun and Jinsol being iljins.  Anyone remember that?

1 hour ago, Nev Schulman said:

I get your point and I didn't care for his statement until I remember the segment of the show. Yes Hyunjoo can be dramatic as seen. She literally cried over her friend tugging her... come on. She even said "omg my arms were red"  as if she was beat up. Watch the video. Which is why I gave his statement the benefit of the doubt. The behaviour he describes is exactly an example you can see in the video...

It's possible that Hyunjoo is sensitive/melodramatic and also she was bullied, right?  Like it's normally sort of weird kids that get ostracized and bullied.  If she was seen as an easy target/someone who would react, it's more likely she would be targeted in the first place.

[coval]

Unfortunately until Hyunjoo makes a statement herself, DSP can still control the narrative

 

Fucked up

[Nero_Kpop]

Seems to me she just wasn't a good fit to the team and she couldn't overcome the criticisms

[planetaria]

a good team would’ve helped her instead of criticizing her, they have yet to clear the other rumors and now there’s the thing with the ajax member allegedly outing their relationship? things are popping up faster than they clarify. 

[JellyToBe]

4 hours ago, KentasGlittery EyeMakeup said:

The problem with his statement is that he's an extremely biased bystander who is friends with a lot of the members of April and is allegedly dating one of them, so not only does his opinion doesn't matter, as he was not the one experiencing or living through the situation, but he's also backtracked after receiving backlash and deleted his response, so I'd take what he said with a grain of salt.

Bystanders don't get to decide whether somebody was bullied or not, especially if they're biased like this. It matters what the victim experienced and felt. He wasn't there all the time so he wouldn't know. He really put his foot in the mouth with what he said.

We weren't there either so we should wait a bit more before making our judgement, I believe.

Isn't it funny to say the guy, the colleague is a biased bystander while the whistleblower is the brother?

I don't know who's statements are true, i suggest the actual person start to take over the matter coz things are confusing n getting ugly.

I want victim of bullying find their justice but I don' t want a T-ara 2.0.

Edited March 1, 2021 by JellyToBe

[KentasGlittery EyeMakeup]

1 minute ago, JellyToBe said:

Isn't it funny to say the guy, the colleague is a biased bystander while the whistleblower is the brother?

I don't know who's statements are true, i suggest the actual person start to take over the matter coz things are confusing n getting ugly.

I don't think you've read my other replies in this thread so I'll refrain from replying furthermore because they're right there and I've said in this very thread that we need to remove all bystanders and hear from the actual people involved, not somebody's boyfriend or brother.

[GetRapper]

4 hours ago, Nev Schulman said:

Tbh I am going to say this but I feel like that Ajax member who made a statement is right. I watched the Unit and saw Hyunjoo cry over nothing. What happened was they were practicing for the song. Hyunjoo then said that she was scared to get hit, the girl then tells her that she should stand on the spot and then proceeds to move. Hyunjoo says no and the girl obviously starts getting annoyed and tugs her a bit. Then she cries

@6:40

I had the same impression you did while The Unit was airing and thought Hyunjoo was a drama queen and put me off from her making the final group, but I think with the discord between April members and these bullying allegations her behavior should be reviewed from a new perspective. It seems she got along well with her fellow UNI.T members so there's that.

[00_]

From an Allkpop user:

"I just can't with the eager willingness, no, almost excited enthusiasm, with which netizens and international K-pop fans dive onto any bullying rumor, esp when it's girl idols, immediately believing they're true.

We might not live in Medieval times anymore, but people haven't changed at the core at all: the hunger for witch hunts and to see people burn at the stake is still there, no matter if the target is guilty or not.

For all the flimsy excuses and false pretenses that K-pop fans have against bullying and for bashing idols, time after time it's proven that the biggest online bullies are most of the K-pop fans themselves."

[Nero_Kpop]

5 hours ago, planetaria said:

a good team would’ve helped her instead of criticizing her, they have yet to clear the other rumors and now there’s the thing with the ajax member allegedly outing their relationship? things are popping up faster than they clarify. 

If she could do her job right i don't think the company would have thrown her under the bus, to me it looks like the T-ARA case all over again

[Danee Danee]

Noone will read this I guess. But I just want to share a bit of my thoughts. Because many people are trying to find the good and the evil side and dont even think there simply could have been none. All of the statements can be considered true. Just from different points. 

 

1. As my first point I just want to remind you that DSP isnt exactly company which is known as good to trainees and idols. KARA sued them, Nicole was punished by no schedule, Youngji was forced into the group against will of members who were together for years, they never really protected Hara from haters, the way they treated Sojin...Where is Youngji nowadays though, for being member of KARA she gets like no support...  Now they claim Hyunjoo got preferential treatment, could do whatever she wanted, leave group whenever she wanted, joined the group again, leave it later... They kicked out the leader to preserve her center post. She could change her mind whenever she wanted, be actress, be idol, be actress, be idol. They supported her no matter what. Do anyone actually believe this?

2. Point two is that APRIL is their only at least semi successful group, its obvious they will protect them. Lets be honest... People love to hype Kard but its kinda stretch to think they actually earn enough money to feed their team. 

3. I would also like to point out that Hyunjoo wasnt the only girl who was ever overreacting and overdramatic on a reality show. It proves nothing. Like Johyun of Berry Good on MixNine. Every second of her screentime, she was crying and annoying everyone. She joined late group which consisted of really talented singers, could do nothing right and stole the show. Yet noone of the members treated her differently. 

4. Saying where mental bullying starts and ends is pretty tough. Some people just play jokes and pranks and 95% of others would laugh with them. It doesnt mean the 5% wouldnt feel hurt by their actions terribly. Same with the people who have to take responsibility for others. 90% of people may appreciate it while 10% will feel bullied. Is it the faul of weaker party? Nope. That reminds me of ANS where member Haena herself claimed other members were bullying her, tormenting her, even calling her school to see if she even arrived, while from the members point of view they just had to carry work of managers when company got no money and kicked out all of the staff members. In the end both parties suffered a lot during that time but each one only saw their side while neither one was the bully. In the end even the case of Mina vs AOA is somewhat similar from stories Mina shared. If it was different group and different members, maybe most of the situation wouldnt be as impactful. But Mina was more sensitive so it hurt her much more then it could hurt different person. Is it Mina's fault? Not at all. Its Jimin's fault for not seeing how hurt she is and probably that she havent even cared. Im not saying Jimin was innocent, shr definitely acted like a bully here. On the other hand if lets say Kahi got Mina as After school member, she could have end up in similar matter as Jimin. And now she is seen as one of the best leaders. But she was known to be very strict and scold especially new members a lot. Im not saying Kahi bullied AS cause there were noone who would call it bullying in this certain team. 

Which brings the important question... Did April really ostracized Hyunjoo or did Hyunjoo closed up to rest of April cause she felt disliked and unwanted? Both can be true in a way. So even if there is nothing on cameras Hyunjoo could have felt terribly alone, ostracized and hated in a group. Yet the group just simply may have no idea how to approach her and hurt her even more in process. Unless both parties share their stories with 150% of honesty, there is no way to say. And thats why no third parties should have been involved. No friends, boyfriends, girlfriends, employees, family members and not even company. Neither of them can or will say the truth. 

Edited March 1, 2021 by Danee Danee

[Elscian]

She should speak up tbh,  if she doesn't then it ends here,  at least for me

[spopo]

35 minutes ago, StanSatan said:

She should speak up tbh,  if she doesn't then it ends here,  at least for me

she's still under DSP.  She probably can't.

[Elscian]

38 minutes ago, spopo said:

she's still under DSP.  She probably can't.

Ohh dang