DAY6's Jae wonders why GOT7's Encore sounds so good and then realizes that "it's because they're not under JYP anymore"

[CandyCane23049]

7 hours ago, Angel_Nessa said:

sure. When Rain left he opened J.tune and started debuted a group called MBLAQ. He had some business problems, and to help him JYP bought his shareholds of the entertainment company and he enlisted. Rain and JYP are really close.

JYPent let Jackson to open Team Wang, but he couldn't work as a solo in Korea and Japan due to his contract with JYPent. 

After leaving JYPent, he signed with a Korean company to work there. Now, he needs to stop supporting so much CCP cause Koreans don't like this.

 

that's a big loss for the company. 

for 2 comebacks in a row that Day6 couldn't promote. I understand the reasons why they couldn't promote, but it's complicate for JYPent and its investitors

you're right

GOT7 was a transitional group. JYPent used to manage all their groups' comebacks, and JYP used to write most of his groups' title songs. Then in 2014, JYPent let 2PM to have a comeback with a self produced song. And they did well. So JYPent decided to test the water by letting GOT7 promoting a 2nd song composed by GOT7's leader after the end of their promos for the title song. The response was positive. So JYPent let GOT7 to start having a comeback with self composed songs. The problem is that most of their self composed songs didn't have great response with the K-audience, the biggest exception was 'Look'. 

 

 

in fact Rain left to open his own company and debut his own boygroup. And he did it about 2 years after leaving JYPent. 

I agree that Jae should see how's the entertainment world out of JYPent. JYPent has a good record of not blocking their former artists. 

In fact, Jae can leave JYPent at any moment. San.E and Sumni left JYPent before the end of their contracts, and they were not blocked.

San.E was invited to be a judge on Sixteen and Sumni came back to JYPent and last year she released a song with JYP. 

 

as I said above ^ Jae can leave JYPent at any moment.  Now, it's better to be smarter than Jessica and Jay Park that decided to go against their former companies cause broadcast companies may block him cause we know that between an entertainment company and an artist, broadcast companies will side with entertainment companies which are constantly producing new groups and making profitable deals with them. 

Please stop first you disappeared and never said anything after GOT7 proved you wrong about Encore and now you making things about public responses to self-composed GOT7 title songs. No other song GOT7 had as a self promoted title got promoted like Look did and it’s not as if non GOT7 self- composed title tracks did any better on the charts with the K public either. It made no sense for JYPE to not give more control to GOT7 after Look.

 

Also, Sungin going to the military is the main reason DAY6 can’t promote and DAY6 will be fine just like last time because Zombie got a very good response even without promos.

 

   Jae has a right to complain about a company he’s under as an employer and call them out if he wants. Day6 contracts are up next year and maybe Jae wants to stick it out for the group because he loves his members, so he’s going to wait it out and then we’ll see what the members want to do. Maybe Jae goes back to his family and chills. 
 

Hell maybe GOT7 inspired their friends to do like them, you never know. 

You continue to jump through hoops for JYPE as if you on their payroll I could never.
 

 

 

Edited April 6, 2021 by CandyCane23049

[Angel_Nessa]

On 4/6/2021 at 8:48 AM, CandyCane23049 said:

Please stop first you disappeared and never said anything after GOT7 proved you wrong about Encore and now you making things about public responses to self-composed GOT7 title songs. No other song GOT7 had as a self promoted title got promoted like Look did and it’s not as if non GOT7 self- composed title tracks did any better on the charts with the K public either. It made no sense for JYPE to not give more control to GOT7 after Look.

 

Also, Sungin going to the military is the main reason DAY6 can’t promote and DAY6 will be fine just like last time because Zombie got a very good response even without promos.

 

   Jae has a right to complain about a company he’s under as an employer and call them out if he wants. Day6 contracts are up next year and maybe Jae wants to stick it out for the group because he loves his members, so he’s going to wait it out and then we’ll see what the members want to do. Maybe Jae goes back to his family and chills. 
 

Hell maybe GOT7 inspired their friends to do like them, you never know. 

You continue to jump through hoops for JYPE as if you on their payroll I could never.
 

 

 

I know it may sound bad saying things like this when I've been a fan of the group since their debut, but I don't want to be blind to the facts. 1st GOT7 has proved me nothing with Encore. The mv was home edited video, they didn't invest a penny to do a professional mv (what was pretty sad imo), even Bambam edited video "Feel it, See it" was more visually attractive. The song was recorded while they were still together. I want to see if they'll give up successful solo activities to promote as a group for 4-6 months every year.  

You're just like a lot of fans. You have a selective amnesia. Have you forgotten that days before the Zombie comeback, Day6 had stopped their team activities because some members (Sungjin and Jae) were suffering from anxiety? If JYPent had forced them to promote, you'd have said that JYPent didn't care for their artists.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/life/2020/05/11/day6-temporarily-suspends-team-activities.html 

I agree that Jae is right to complain about the place where he works (I do it too), but now let's be be adults and talk about business. What is Jae doing for JYPent to have the rights to complain? JYPent doesn't get money from YouTube channels or Twitch, not from game streamings that are not even sponsored (Mark and Youngjae did some sponsored game streamings). When Jae suffered from anxiety and all the comeback's plans were cancelled, instead of complaining, JYP sent Jae a supportative message.

Sungjin has enlisted before this comeback what has caused a big loss not only for JYPent, but also for the members. JYPent decided to do a subunit for YoungK, Dowoon and Wonpil so they could get some money and be promoted while Sungjin was disappeared and Jae only had interest on social media plataforms. JYP was really nice on his instagram account saying how touching was the subunit's mv because of the Sungjin and Jae's dolls appearing on it. Instead of promoting only 3 members, the company found a way to include the missing members in the mv. 

GOT7 inspired their friends? I hope not. Have you ever thought why did K-fans/fandoms work so hard to ask JYPent to give GOT7 a better treatment when their contracts were about to end in few months? Why did they bother renting a truck and writing articles when the group could leave the company in few months? I don't know why, but I guess even K-fans knew that by leaving JYPent GOT7 would go after their solo activities making it harder for GOT7's promos. Sorry, but I don't want to see Day6 falling apart like GOT7. 

[stell]

13 hours ago, Angel_Nessa said:

I know it may sound bad saying things like this when I've been a fan of the group since their debut, but I don't want to be blind to the facts. 1st GOT7 has proved me nothing with Encore. The mv was home edited video, they didn't invest a penny to do a professional mv (what was pretty sad imo), even Bambam edited video "Feel it, See it" was more visually attractive. The song was recorded while they were still together. I want to see if they'll give up successful solo activities to promote as a group for 4-6 months every year.  

You're just like a lot of fans. You have a selective amnesia. Have you forgotten that days before the Zombie comeback, Day6 had stopped their team activities because some members (Sungjin and Jae) were suffering from anxiety? If JYPent had forced them to promote, you'd have said that JYPent didn't care for their artists.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/life/2020/05/11/day6-temporarily-suspends-team-activities.html 

I agree that Jae is right to complain about the place where he works (I do it too), but now let's be be adults and talk about business. What is Jae doing for JYPent to have the rights to complain? JYPent doesn't get money from YouTube channels or Twitch, not from game streamings that are not even sponsored (Mark and Youngjae did some sponsored game streamings). When Jae suffered from anxiety and all the comeback's plans were cancelled, instead of complaining, JYP sent Jae a supportative message.

Sungjin has enlisted before this comeback what has caused a big loss not only for JYPent, but also for the members. JYPent decided to do a subunit for YoungK, Dowoon and Wonpil so they could get some money and be promoted while Sungjin was disappeared and Jae only had interest on social media plataforms. JYP was really nice on his instagram account saying how touching was the subunit's mv because of the Sungjin and Jae's dolls appearing on it. Instead of promoting only 3 members, the company found a way to include the missing members in the mv. 

GOT7 inspired their friends? I hope not. Have you ever thought why did K-fans/fandoms work so hard to ask JYPent to give GOT7 a better treatment when their contracts were about to end in few months? Why did they bother renting a truck and writing articles when the group could leave the company in few months? I don't know why, but I guess even K-fans knew that by leaving JYPent GOT7 would go after their solo activities making it harder for GOT7's promos. Sorry, but I don't want to see Day6 falling apart like GOT7. 

 

 

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Did you just really try to disregard ENCORE because it wasn't "professionally produced?"

Because it didn't measure up to your quality standards of what a group is suppose to put out? Do you hear yourself Nessa? The vapid reasonings that you're trying to use as logical justifications to discredit the group's efforts?

You've completely missed the point of ENCORE. For being a supposed fan of theirs, all you've done is refute them every step of the way out of JYP; all under the pretense of trying to be realistic. 

Just say you look down on them now because they left JYP in the dust without looking back. With that JYP magic gone, they've just lost all their appeal huh?

And the fandom did all of that because OF GOT7 not JYP. GOT7 was UNDER JYP at the time still, you know the company that literally had all the capacity to support them better all the while they were there? As long as they were still with them, of course fans were going to continuously ask for better treatment . Nobody knew if they were going to renew or not. In fact, many assumed they were going too and were very worried JYP would continue to treat them like the unloved step-child. As much as they demanded better treatment for GOT7, they were also cursing (deservedly) the hell out of JYP at the same time. 

And when it was announced that ALL of them were leaving the company I've never seen a happier, more united K and international fandom. 

 

If Candy has selective amnesia,  what do you have then? JYP's got you in some kind of hypnosis that's for sure. 

I hope DAY6 does what's best for themselves. Jae's obviously miserable under JYP.  The only thing holding him there is his group, and now they know they don't have to stay at JYP to be together (thanks GOT7). There's also nothing wrong with looking out for and choosing your own best interest, and if that's consider selfish then I hope they all be as selfish as possible. 

 

 

[Tatums]

23 hours ago, Angel_Nessa said:

I know it may sound bad saying things like this when I've been a fan of the group since their debut, but I don't want to be blind to the facts. 1st GOT7 has proved me nothing with Encore. The mv was home edited video, they didn't invest a penny to do a professional mv (what was pretty sad imo), even Bambam edited video "Feel it, See it" was more visually attractive. The song was recorded while they were still together. I want to see if they'll give up successful solo activities to promote as a group for 4-6 months every year.  

You're just like a lot of fans. You have a selective amnesia. Have you forgotten that days before the Zombie comeback, Day6 had stopped their team activities because some members (Sungjin and Jae) were suffering from anxiety? If JYPent had forced them to promote, you'd have said that JYPent didn't care for their artists.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/life/2020/05/11/day6-temporarily-suspends-team-activities.html 

I agree that Jae is right to complain about the place where he works (I do it too), but now let's be be adults and talk about business. What is Jae doing for JYPent to have the rights to complain? JYPent doesn't get money from YouTube channels or Twitch, not from game streamings that are not even sponsored (Mark and Youngjae did some sponsored game streamings). When Jae suffered from anxiety and all the comeback's plans were cancelled, instead of complaining, JYP sent Jae a supportative message.

Sungjin has enlisted before this comeback what has caused a big loss not only for JYPent, but also for the members. JYPent decided to do a subunit for YoungK, Dowoon and Wonpil so they could get some money and be promoted while Sungjin was disappeared and Jae only had interest on social media plataforms. JYP was really nice on his instagram account saying how touching was the subunit's mv because of the Sungjin and Jae's dolls appearing on it. Instead of promoting only 3 members, the company found a way to include the missing members in the mv. 

GOT7 inspired their friends? I hope not. Have you ever thought why did K-fans/fandoms work so hard to ask JYPent to give GOT7 a better treatment when their contracts were about to end in few months? Why did they bother renting a truck and writing articles when the group could leave the company in few months? I don't know why, but I guess even K-fans knew that by leaving JYPent GOT7 would go after their solo activities making it harder for GOT7's promos. Sorry, but I don't want to see Day6 falling apart like GOT7. 

Please stop coming to got7.  Cause you really don't know them. 

 

You don't want to see day6 falling apart like got7? What if day6 want to pull like got7??? Lols 

Edited April 13, 2021 by Tatums

[Angel_Nessa]

On 4/13/2021 at 1:11 AM, stell said:

 

 

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Did you just really try to disregard ENCORE because it wasn't "professionally produced?"

Because it didn't measure up to your quality standards of what a group is suppose to put out? Do you hear yourself Nessa? The vapid reasonings that you're trying to use as logical justifications to discredit the group's efforts?

You've completely missed the point of ENCORE. For being a supposed fan of theirs, all you've done is refute them every step of the way out of JYP; all under the pretense of trying to be realistic. 

Just say you look down on them now because they left JYP in the dust without looking back. With that JYP magic gone, they've just lost all their appeal huh?

And the fandom did all of that because OF GOT7 not JYP. GOT7 was UNDER JYP at the time still, you know the company that literally had all the capacity to support them better all the while they were there? As long as they were still with them, of course fans were going to continuously ask for better treatment . Nobody knew if they were going to renew or not. In fact, many assumed they were going too and were very worried JYP would continue to treat them like the unloved step-child. As much as they demanded better treatment for GOT7, they were also cursing (deservedly) the hell out of JYP at the same time. 

And when it was announced that ALL of them were leaving the company I've never seen a happier, more united K and international fandom. 

 

If Candy has selective amnesia,  what do you have then? JYP's got you in some kind of hypnosis that's for sure. 

I hope DAY6 does what's best for themselves. Jae's obviously miserable under JYP.  The only thing holding him there is his group, and now they know they don't have to stay at JYP to be together (thanks GOT7). There's also nothing wrong with looking out for and choosing your own best interest, and if that's consider selfish then I hope they all be as selfish as possible. 

 

 

Encore was the 1st song released by GOT7 after leaving JYPent, there were a lot of expectations not only about the song, but also about the mv. The song was great, but the mv a deception cause they could've done better. Jackson has amazing solo mvs, Bambam is great with visual art and video edition, also GOT7 had money enough to pay for a professional mv. As a fan, a person has the right to praise or criticize. GOT7 is an competitive market full of boygroups that have been investing a lot for their mvs, they need to release good quality mvs/songs to continue in the game, I don't want them to disappear as a group. That's why I was disappointed by their low-quality Encore mv. 

I don't look down on GOT7 cause they left the company. I've supported all the artists that have left the company. When Rain left JYPent to open his own label and debuted his own boygroup, I supported him and his group - MBLAQ. I've been attended MBLAQ's concert. The same for Jay Park, Sumni, San.E... there are artists that I totally agree when they've left JYPent like Jay, Rain, Jimin and San.E cause the company didn't have many good opportunities for them, but when G.Soul left JYPent to sign with HIGHER, I said it was a bad move, I wasn't wrong cause from topping charts, he ended up on The Voice Korea with a different name saying he wanted a "fresh start".  

The fandom is celebrating GOT7's departure from JYPent cause they think the members will have more freedom and opportunities, and I don't doubt that some of them will do really well in their solo activities, but about the group, the fandom will be hit hard by reality. GOT7 can prove me wrong, I just know what I've learned from 2nd generation - without a good company behind them, no award ceremonies, no gayos, no TV shows for the group's promos (ofc fans will say JYPent is blocking them). That's how the system works. 

Did I lie when I said that Day6 stopped their activities days before their Zombie comeback? I'm not a blind fan.

GOT7 was not the pioneer in leaving the company that've debuted them, Shinhwa, Block B and Highlight (Beast) did it years before however different from GOT7 the three of them moved to the same company and focused on the group b4 thinking on their solo careers. Jackson has recently bought a company with Lay, while JayB is working hard studying contracts as a way to keep the group alive, honestly I just see JayB working hard to keep the group, and I admire him a lot for it. Bambam is also working for the group.   

If Day6 decides to leave, JYPent, I won't go to Korea to stop them  or even spend a penny to rent a truck to ask JYPent for a better treatment for Day6 few months b4 the end of their contract. 

 

   

On 4/13/2021 at 10:47 AM, Tatums said:

Please stop coming to got7.  Cause you really don't know them. 

 

You don't want to see day6 falling apart like got7? What if day6 want to pull like got7??? Lols 

I've been following GOT7 since their debut, I've spent a lot of time defending and promoting them, also I spent a lot of money on them, so I have the right to say what I like and dislike. 

If Day6 wants to leave JYPent, ok. They'll not be the 1st ones to do it, not the last ones to do it, but I'd feel disappoint if they sign with different companies and start focusing more on their solo activities and not on the group, but ofc they have all the right to do it so. 

 

[stell]

4 hours ago, Angel_Nessa said:

Encore was the 1st song released by GOT7 after leaving JYPent, there were a lot of expectations not only about the song, but also about the mv. The song was great, but the mv a deception cause they could've done better. Jackson has amazing solo mvs, Bambam is great with visual art and video edition, also GOT7 had money enough to pay for a professional mv. As a fan, a person has the right to praise or criticize. GOT7 is an competitive market full of boygroups that have been investing a lot for their mvs, they need to release good quality mvs/songs to continue in the game, I don't want them to disappear as a group. That's why I was disappointed by their low-quality Encore mv. 

I don't look down on GOT7 cause they left the company. I've supported all the artists that have left the company. When Rain left JYPent to open his own label and debuted his own boygroup, I supported him and his group - MBLAQ. I've been attended MBLAQ's concert. The same for Jay Park, Sumni, San.E... there are artists that I totally agree when they've left JYPent like Jay, Rain, Jimin and San.E cause the company didn't have many good opportunities for them, but when G.Soul left JYPent to sign with HIGHER, I said it was a bad move, I wasn't wrong cause from topping charts, he ended up on The Voice Korea with a different name saying he wanted a "fresh start".  

The fandom is celebrating GOT7's departure from JYPent cause they think the members will have more freedom and opportunities, and I don't doubt that some of them will do really well in their solo activities, but about the group, the fandom will be hit hard by reality. GOT7 can prove me wrong, I just know what I've learned from 2nd generation - without a good company behind them, no award ceremonies, no gayos, no TV shows for the group's promos (ofc fans will say JYPent is blocking them). That's how the system works. 

Did I lie when I said that Day6 stopped their activities days before their Zombie comeback? I'm not a blind fan.

GOT7 was not the pioneer in leaving the company that've debuted them, Shinhwa, Block B and Highlight (Beast) did it years before however different from GOT7 the three of them moved to the same company and focused on the group b4 thinking on their solo careers. Jackson has recently bought a company with Lay, while JayB is working hard studying contracts as a way to keep the group alive, honestly I just see JayB working hard to keep the group, and I admire him a lot for it. Bambam is also working for the group.   

If Day6 decides to leave, JYPent, I won't go to Korea to stop them  or even spend a penny to rent a truck to ask JYPent for a better treatment for Day6 few months b4 the end of their contract. 

 

   

I've been following GOT7 since their debut, I've spent a lot of time defending and promoting them, also I spent a lot of money on them, so I have the right to say what I like and dislike. 

If Day6 wants to leave JYPent, ok. They'll not be the 1st ones to do it, not the last ones to do it, but I'd feel disappoint if they sign with different companies and start focusing more on their solo activities and not on the group, but ofc they have all the right to do it so. 

 

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What!??? There was absolutely NO expectations. Fans were still getting used to the fact that they had JUST LEFT the company. Fans had NO idea they would reunite that fast once their contract with JYPE had ended. YOU didn't even think they would get together again?????   Did we not just go back and forth about that in that one thread before you disappeared once they came back? And then here you say it's not a valid group activity? I find it funny how you said you don't want them to disappear, what with all your words and actions lately regarding them, they had already disappeared for you once they left JYP. 

Which brings me back ,  you've completely missed the WHOLE point of ENCORE. Let it just flew WAY over your head. They've said as much that ENCORE was a very budgeted MV, but their purpose was to let people/fans know that they really were NOT disbanding. ENCORE was done on a very PERSONAL level. IDC how you feel about the quality of ENCORE, but the fact that you tried to use that as reasons to justify why it wasn't consider a group pursuit is what is mind boggling to me. Because it was. And it obviously wasn't a full blown comeback, which is why I said you've missed the entire point of why they released ENCORE in the first place. 

And again, for someone who doesn't look down on GOT7, you've disregarded everything and anything they have done since they left JYP. 

Also thanks for confirming  once again, that you're a big ole JYP stan and that you're bias as hell. Do you also not remember the whole convo of how their remaining solos weren't thriving, GSOUL included? So why wouldn't they look elsewhere for a better opportunity? Of course, that doesn't guarantee success, Nessa. The point is, being given a chance to thrive elsewhere even if it doesn't end in the results they want, because JYP WASN'T GIVING IT TO THEM. Also I'm willing to bet if the likes of Sunmi and SanE didn't gain more success outside of JYP, your response about them would've been the same as Gsouls. If JYP hadn't said what he said to Jamie you probably would've thought her leaving was a bad idea too. 

And again, you're really discrediting the fandom. NOBODY expected them to even reunite so soon outside of JYP. The fandom knows it's not going to be simple, nobody's living in any disillusionment and GOT7 has always been honest. They've said as much that they plan to focus on their individual activities for the year at least and then reunite when they can. Like idk how many TIMES I've had to REPEAT to you that everybody knows it WON'T BE EASY. which is why ENCORE was such a SURPRISE. The celebration of their departure from JYP was a very bittersweet one because yes they were liberated, but we also knew it'd be a new hard venture for them going forward. Them releasing ENCORE was to let people know that they were serious when they said they didn't disband.  

And did I say GOT7 were the first to leave their company altogether? It's because GOT7 is the first of the 3rd gen groups, or at least the most successful and relevant to have currently left their company altogether. And the fact that they were label-mates with DAY6 makes it all the more impactful for them. Current KPOP fans these days are not THAT familiar with the likes of Beast, especially Shinhwa, and Block B even. But GOT7 is part of the current kpop era, they were a fixture, that's why the kpop community's reaction to them leaving JYP all together was so big. And you've totally skipped over the part where Jayb asked them if they still wanted to be together, not out of obligation but because they wanted too and they all said yes? Like that's what I mean when I say you just disregard them. 

I don't follow Day6's activities, but I was just calling out the irony of you saying Candy has selective amnesia when clearly you do though. 

I also know Jae's still miserable under JYP. 

Also, no need to tell us, we all know you wouldn't spend a penny's worth on anything against JYP.

Your logic of why you think the fandom went hard on JYP leading up to their contract renewal is hilarious. There had always been a gradual build up of frustration at JYP for their supbar support of GOT7 from the fandom as a whole. Which FYI, the truck was actually more of the international fans doing. The tweet that went viral and hit the media wasn't even from a k-fan too lmfaoo.  I've only ever saw k-fans cursing at JYP and then celebrating when they left. Again, NOBODY knew if they were going to renew or not. Guaranteed, had they stayed in JYP the criticisms and increasing actions wouldn't have stopped until they started treating GOT7 better. 

And please put away your "followed since debut card." I wouldn't have responded to you had you simply said you didn't like ENCORE, not your favorite song? okay idc. But, again,  you used it to try to invalidate the groups efforts, don't you get that? Like, fan's aren't saying it's the best mv and song ever, they like it because of what it MEANS, the MESSAGE from GOT7. That's why I said the point flew over your dang head, like into outer space. 

And news flash, whenever GOT7 do reunite, under a company or not, it'll be on THEIR TERMS. Part of the reason GOT7 left was because of the lack of control they had. When they do come back,  It most probably will not follow that structured kpop schedule that you're so obsessed with, and that's OKAY. That wouldn't make them any lesser of a group than those who would be on all the music shows, monday to friday attending anything they can. GOT7 will do things THEIR WAY. 

 

And so will DAY6, whatever that will be for them. 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 15, 2021 by stell

[Tatums]

On 4/15/2021 at 10:57 AM, Angel_Nessa said:

Encore was the 1st song released by GOT7 after leaving JYPent, there were a lot of expectations not only about the song, but also about the mv. The song was great, but the mv a deception cause they could've done better. Jackson has amazing solo mvs, Bambam is great with visual art and video edition, also GOT7 had money enough to pay for a professional mv. As a fan, a person has the right to praise or criticize. GOT7 is an competitive market full of boygroups that have been investing a lot for their mvs, they need to release good quality mvs/songs to continue in the game, I don't want them to disappear as a group. That's why I was disappointed by their low-quality Encore mv. 

I don't look down on GOT7 cause they left the company. I've supported all the artists that have left the company. When Rain left JYPent to open his own label and debuted his own boygroup, I supported him and his group - MBLAQ. I've been attended MBLAQ's concert. The same for Jay Park, Sumni, San.E... there are artists that I totally agree when they've left JYPent like Jay, Rain, Jimin and San.E cause the company didn't have many good opportunities for them, but when G.Soul left JYPent to sign with HIGHER, I said it was a bad move, I wasn't wrong cause from topping charts, he ended up on The Voice Korea with a different name saying he wanted a "fresh start".  

The fandom is celebrating GOT7's departure from JYPent cause they think the members will have more freedom and opportunities, and I don't doubt that some of them will do really well in their solo activities, but about the group, the fandom will be hit hard by reality. GOT7 can prove me wrong, I just know what I've learned from 2nd generation - without a good company behind them, no award ceremonies, no gayos, no TV shows for the group's promos (ofc fans will say JYPent is blocking them). That's how the system works. 

Did I lie when I said that Day6 stopped their activities days before their Zombie comeback? I'm not a blind fan.

GOT7 was not the pioneer in leaving the company that've debuted them, Shinhwa, Block B and Highlight (Beast) did it years before however different from GOT7 the three of them moved to the same company and focused on the group b4 thinking on their solo careers. Jackson has recently bought a company with Lay, while JayB is working hard studying contracts as a way to keep the group alive, honestly I just see JayB working hard to keep the group, and I admire him a lot for it. Bambam is also working for the group.   

If Day6 decides to leave, JYPent, I won't go to Korea to stop them  or even spend a penny to rent a truck to ask JYPent for a better treatment for Day6 few months b4 the end of their contract. 

 

   

I've been following GOT7 since their debut, I've spent a lot of time defending and promoting them, also I spent a lot of money on them, so I have the right to say what I like and dislike. 

If Day6 wants to leave JYPent, ok. They'll not be the 1st ones to do it, not the last ones to do it, but I'd feel disappoint if they sign with different companies and start focusing more on their solo activities and not on the group, but ofc they have all the right to do it so. 

 

True ! You spend more time & money for them . You really the representation of company Stan.  Since got7 left the company your comments about them are negative. 

[reiichi]

On 2/21/2021 at 5:13 PM, Jeongin said:

 

I see. I am pretty concerned about SKZ's future, I can tell you that 

Hopefully the fact that GOT7 decided to all leave is a wake up call. They probably didn't want to keep the group as a whole, but they certainly tried to have some of them renew their contracts. They completely underestimated the strength of their bond as a team.

Enter Stray Kids - a group whose lineup was chosen by the leader because the company didn't manage to find a lineup that worked. Leader who knows the company inside and out because he spent seven years there as a trainee - and he's close friends with one of the GOT7 members, so he probably knows more than company staff even, about how things went down between GOT7 and the company. 

Chan knows. He's not stupid or naive, quite the contrary actually. He chose to stay with JYPE because he knew it still was the best debut opportunity he'd ever get. Big3 groups have a headstart just because of where they come from, and he's ambitious. He showed loyalty and dedication, so they entrusted him with a lot more than any other trainee - choosing his team, writing his music. If they hadn't let him, he would have left anyway - and maybe the rest of 3RACHA with him. They'd have lost one or more of their aces. Sure, they could still have constructed a boy group with whoever they had left, but it would have taken even more time, and they HAD to debut a new boy group before BigHit if they wanted it to leave any sort of impact. So they let Chan have his way.

Chan knows that this risk exists - that he could end up neglected by the company like GOT7. But he's playing the long game so I don't think he really cares. He knows that the contract has an end date, and that once he's done with it, he'll be free. Free, and with the recognition and industry contacts that come with having debuted in the Big3.

Stray Kids will leave as a team, or they'll renew as a team. JYPE has probably realized that after failing to keep at least some GOT7 members. So it's up to the company if they want them all to leave at the seven year mark.

Edited April 17, 2021 by reiichi

[stell]

4 hours ago, reiichi said:

Hopefully the fact that GOT7 decided to all leave is a wake up call. They probably didn't want to keep the group as a whole, but they certainly tried to have some of them renew their contracts. They completely underestimated the strength of their bond as a team.

Enter Stray Kids - a group whose lineup was chosen by the leader because the company didn't manage to find a lineup that worked. Leader who knows the company inside and out because he spent seven years there as a trainee - and he's close friends with one of the GOT7 members, so he probably knows more than company staff even, about how things went down between GOT7 and the company. 

Chan knows. He's not stupid or naive, quite the contrary actually. He chose to stay with JYPE because he knew it still was the best debut opportunity he'd ever get. Big3 groups have a headstart just because of where they come from, and he's ambitious. He showed loyalty and dedication, so they entrusted him with a lot more than any other trainee - choosing his team, writing his music. If they hadn't let him, he would have left anyway - and maybe the rest of 3RACHA with him. They'd have lost one or more of their aces. Sure, they could still have constructed a boy group with whoever they had left, but it would have taken even more time, and they HAD to debut a new boy group before BigHit if they wanted it to leave any sort of impact. So they let Chan have his way.

Chan knows that this risk exists - that he could end up neglected by the company like GOT7. But he's playing the long game so I don't think he really cares. He knows that the contract has an end date, and that once he's done with it, he'll be free. Free, and with the recognition and industry contacts that come with having debuted in the Big3.

Stray Kids will leave as a team, or they'll renew as a team. JYPE has probably realized that after failing to keep at least some GOT7 members. So it's up to the company if they want them all to leave at the seven year mark.

 

I'm not discrediting Chans efforts, but Stray Kids was a very planned out and structured line up, and it's not a bad thing. Just about every kpop group out there is. I think they are one of the more fortunate teams in terms of being given musical control to an extent. They've debuted around the time where 'self-producing idols' were trendy and still is and JYP latched on to it. I say they're one of the more better-off groups because 'self-produced' is part of their overall group concept/image. I've no doubt JYP has an iron grip on them actually but the loophole is that 'self-made' identity of what makes the group thus giving them more freedom with their musical output. But even then, their songs have to go through many stages of filtration and approval. It's ultimately up to JYP who gets the final say. 

 I do think that JYP created Stray kids with Chan in mind, people that would fit with him, as with JJP with Got7.  Changbin and Han were shoe-ins, and that just left the rest to be found. The team was already chosen upon their Mnet show. The show was obviously a method of promoting them. Felix and Minho were eliminated to create some drama and I knew they were going to come back. 

It's hard to assess the future, my guess for GOT7 was completely wrong tbh lolol. But the outcome was more than I could ask for. I do hope JYP keeps doing better by Stray Kids though, and fix that huge patterned turn-over rate they have in comparison to YG and SM. 2PM stayed for the group (with bonus benefits) and Got7 left for the group. It'll be interesting to see what Stray Kids does once their contract is up. 

Edited April 18, 2021 by stell