[enter-talk] I SERIOUSLY FEEL THE MOST SORRY FOR HIM...

[satoori]

[enter-talk] I SERIOUSLY FEEL THE MOST SORRY FOR HIM...

I get that he's living a better life than a normal citizen like me but I find his life so regrettable..

He has the looks of the male actors who are getting popular nowadays and when he debuted, there were a lot of mentions about how Daehyun + Baekhyun = Taehyung too so his visuals weren't losing back then either. He's a main vocal and he looks like he would be short but he's actually 180cm!!!

He never committed any crime but he met the wrong company, never got properly pushed and is getting forgotten... It's heart breakingㅠ

That's right... he's my ex-bias.. I ultimately left the fandom because I was having a hard time because of his company but even so, he's still in a corner of my heart... When NCT's Lucas debuted, I was surprised at how much he looked like him and I got sad thinking "ah... so the generation has changed..."  [cr.]

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1. [+48, -1]But this group's company was too trash... seriously, they would've hit daebak if they met the right company

 

2. [+33,-1]He was seriously good at singing..

 

3. [+30, 0] Jung Daehyunㅠㅠㅠㅠ my bias ㅠㅠ He's in the army now no?ㅠ I hope that Daehyun would do like Youngjae and act on public TV. He's so handsome ㅠ

 

4. [+23, 0]  All of BAP are pitiful.. they were all so talented, never had any scandals and were warm ㅠㅠ they also had a lot of good songs

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[satoori]

lol i remember hyun family. *nostalgic*

 

agree bap talent was wasted. 

 

[Thigh-high feminist]

B.A.P. was such a great group and Daehyun is a good vocalist. I wish their company hadn't been so shitty. (BAP, Secret, and Sonamoo really deserved better. Too much talent and hard work. BAP and Secret made that company a lot of money too.)

[Iljin Oppa]

BAP were one of the frontrunning male rookies of the 3rd gen.

There are so many parallels between them and BTS that they probably would have been in their place right now had it not been for TS mismanaging them.

[satoori]

2 minutes ago, Iljin Oppa said:

BAP were one of the frontrunning male rookies of the 3rd gen.

There are so many parallels between them and BTS that they probably would have been in their place right now had it not been for TS mismanaging them.

i don't know if that's necessarily true tbh. bap and bts music and concepts developed differently. also bts unlike other groups was sort of the front runners of relying heavily on sns - which is a huge part of how they were able to communicate with so many fans. 

[GetRapper]

I didn't stan them but they had great songs like One Shot and Skydive. TS ruined every group that they had unfortunately.

[starsocks]

reading these sorts of posts is so sad

TS is the worst

[Iljin Oppa]

1 hour ago, satoori said:

i don't know if that's necessarily true tbh. bap and bts music and concepts developed differently. also bts unlike other groups was sort of the front runners of relying heavily on sns - which is a huge part of how they were able to communicate with so many fans. 

Their music in the earlier days were pretty similar, i.e. self-produced grungy hip-hop: Warrior, Power, No Mercy, No More Dream, N.O, Boy in Luv and Danger are on the same spectrum. BAP weren't very present on social media but they did put out a lot of content like BTS does and they were also really internationally focused, as well. I remember BAP doing a few international concerts in their first year. 

[satoori]

33 minutes ago, Iljin Oppa said:

Their music in the earlier days were pretty similar, i.e. self-produced grungy hip-hop: Warrior, Power, No Mercy, No More Dream, N.O, Boy in Luv and Danger are on the same spectrum. BAP weren't very present on social media but they did put out a lot of content like BTS does and they were also really internationally focused, as well. I remember BAP doing a few international concerts in their first year. 

Personally,  I don't even consider NO and No More Dreams similar to BAP sound. Different message too. BTS were known in the early days for their social conscious discography - talking about Korea society and education system. Completely different than BAP  - who is like you said more "grungy". However I sort of agree with Boy in Luv and Danger. In general, listening to both groups' full discography is different vibe. BTS was also way more influenced by old school Western hip hop compared to BAP. Another key element for BTS popularity with Western fans back in the days. Nonetheless even including NO/NMD that's still only a year+ for BTS. 2013-2014.  That's why I said both groups developed differently. Because in 2015 (near the end of their second year as a group), BTS decided to change their sound a bit and started their whole youth concept with HYYH era. During this era is when they first started gaining attention from Koreans and finally charted on a main chart, BB200. 

Even if TS was better at management their trajectory would have probably still been different, in my opinion. Not only because of everything I listed above, but anyone who was back during the days of BTS rise, know the Kpop community use to say sns was a big part of BTS popularity. Bighit and BTS had to find other ways to gain fans due to the lack of opportunities in Korea. 

I also went to a BAP concert, and it's clear as day the two are different when experiencing their discography in person.

Edited January 31, 2021 by satoori

[pinkpanda_spirit]

So true...

[Aphrodisiac]

He was always my bias in B.A.P.

[CatchingDreams]

4 hours ago, Iljin Oppa said:

BAP were one of the frontrunning male rookies of the 3rd gen.

There are so many parallels between them and BTS that they probably would have been in their place right now had it not been for TS mismanaging them.

So true. I remember the comparisons back then and how everything for BTS starting taking off when B.A.P was on hiatus with the lawsuit. It’s no secret they lost so many fans to BTS during that time, both kfans and ifans have admitted to switching over because of the similarities. 
There’s no doubt in my mind they would have become a top boy group had TS been even slightly decent. BTS would have risen to where they are regardless, I’m sure, but B.A.P deserved to be up there as well and they were clearly headed in that direction. 

[satoori]

49 minutes ago, Lee07 said:

So true. I remember the comparisons back then and how everything for BTS starting taking off when B.A.P was on hiatus with the lawsuit. It’s no secret they lost so many fans to BTS during that time, both kfans and ifans have admitted to switching over because of the similarities. 
There’s no doubt in my mind they would have become a top boy group had TS been even slightly decent. BTS would have risen to where they are regardless, I’m sure, but B.A.P deserved to be up there as well and they were clearly headed in that direction. 

I agree, BAP probably would of been popular. But it's difficult to say for certain they would be in BTS exact spot right now. Considering even other popular groups at the time are not. BTS success is an anomaly. Honestly it's hard to say if BAP would have even been able to stay surpass EXO in the long-run. Most small company boy groups from that period didn't have longevity at the top.

Side note: During BAP first hiatus and lawsuit in 2014 barely any kfans were talking about BTS..

It's true BAP lost some fans to BTS, but not just to BTS...other boy groups at time too. Plus the amount BAP lost doesn't nearly compare to the fans BTS  been able to gain throughout the years. It would of been impossible for Bighit to start planning for their early tour/fanmeets if they relied on BAP fans. Meaning they already had fans of their own who were eager to meet them.

 

[CatchingDreams]

1 hour ago, satoori said:

I agree, BAP probably would of been popular. But it's difficult to say for certain they would be in BTS exact spot right now. Considering even other popular groups at the time are not. BTS success is an anomaly. Honestly it's hard to say if BAP would have even been able to stay surpass EXO in the long-run. Most small company boy groups from that period didn't have longevity at the top.

Side note: During BAP first hiatus and lawsuit in 2014 barely any kfans were talking about BTS..

It's true BAP lost some fans to BTS, but not just to BTS...other boy groups at time too. Plus the amount BAP lost doesn't nearly compare to the fans BTS  been able to gain throughout the years. It would of been impossible for Bighit to start planning for their early tour/fanmeets if they relied on BAP fans. Meaning they already had fans of their own who were eager to meet them.

 

As a BTS fan I’m not discrediting any of their hard work, they deserve everything they have. 
People not seeing the similarities between BTS and BAP are just refusing to see them. It’s been talked about for years, both internationally and in Korea. There’s nothing wrong with being similar, most groups are similar. But the BAP/BTS comparisons aren’t brought up just about every single time for no reason. You mentioned in response to someone that BTS was known for their social conscious music and that’s exactly they same music BAP also made, Warrior, One Shot, Badman, Young, Wild, and Free, Ribbon in the Sky, Wake Me Up. Even if it doesn’t sound similar, lyrically they have the same ideas.

The lawsuit was announced in November of 2014 and BTS got their first win in May of 2015. It didn’t take long for people to start talking. Not every baby became an army, that would just be ridiculous for anyone to think, also ridiculous to think that bighit would plan anything around the fans they gained from BAP. Bap did have a lot of fans outside of Korea even without a social media presence though. 

It all comes down to the fact that BAP deserved better and would have had better if the circumstances were different.

[satoori]

36 minutes ago, Lee07 said:

As a BTS fan I’m not discrediting any of their hard work, they deserve everything they have. 
People not seeing the similarities between BTS and BAP are just refusing to see them. It’s been talked about for years, both internationally and in Korea. There’s nothing wrong with being similar, most groups are similar. But the BAP/BTS comparisons aren’t brought up just about every single time for no reason. You mentioned in response to someone that BTS was known for their social conscious music and that’s exactly they same music BAP also made, Warrior, One Shot, Badman, Young, Wild, and Free, Ribbon in the Sky, Wake Me Up. Even if it doesn’t sound similar, lyrically they have the same ideas.

The lawsuit was announced in November of 2014 and BTS got their first win in May of 2015. It didn’t take long for people to start talking. Not every baby became an army, that would just be ridiculous for anyone to think, also ridiculous to think that bighit would plan anything around the fans they gained from BAP. Bap did have a lot of fans outside of Korea even without a social media presence though. 

It all comes down to the fact that BAP deserved better and would have had better if the circumstances were different.

There's also a reason BTS is mentioned as social conscious group more early on compared to BAP too. This could also be due to how both groups were marketed or the lack of. In BTS case everywhere they went (and fans) use to push the image.

There's nothing wrong with parallels as long as it's true. As mentioned in my first comment ,there are some parallels but not many after a certain point as we continue to follow BTS career (starting as early as 2015).

The comparison is mostly brought up by nostalgic BAP stans/casual fans. Or people who love to feed the narrative that BTS took BAP fame - which is far from the truth. And agreeing with comments saying BAP probably would have been in BTS place right now it's lowey discrediting all of BTS work.. BTS was gradually growing since the beginning. BTS got their win in 2015 because Bighit decided to change their concept/image and marketed the group differently. Korea wasn't feeling the whole try hard hip hop thing and Bighit decided to take a risk. With BAP or not, BTS would of still changed their concept and most likely got their win. 

Even IF every BABY became fan of BTS (which we know isn't true), the amount of BABYs added still wouldn't compare to the amount BTS gained within their 2-3 years alone.

I agree, BAP deserves better.  In general, BAP as a group was truly never really able to recover after that first lawsuit. Not just management wise, but musically they were sort of all over the place. Honestly at that point (the first lawsuit) is when all of them should of left TS, and did a Block B in my opinion.

[CatchingDreams]

27 minutes ago, satoori said:

There's also a reason BTS is mentioned as social conscious group more early on compared to BAP too. This could also be due to how both groups were marketed or the lack of. In BTS case everywhere they went (and fans) use to push the image.

There's nothing wrong with parallels as long as it's true. As mentioned in my first comment ,there are some parallels but not many after a certain point as we continue to follow BTS career (starting as early as 2015).

The comparison is mostly brought up by nostalgic BAP stans/casual fans. Or people who love to feed the narrative that BTS took BAP fame - which is far from the truth. And agreeing with comments saying BAP probably would have been in BTS place right now it's lowey discrediting all of BTS work.. BTS was gradually growing since the beginning. BTS got their win in 2015 because Bighit decided to change their concept/image and marketed the group differently. Korea wasn't feeling the whole try hard hip hop thing and Bighit decided to take a risk. With BAP or not, BTS would of still changed their concept and most likely got their win. 

Even IF every BABY became fan of BTS (which we know isn't true), the amount of BABYs added still wouldn't compare to the amount BTS gained within their 2-3 years alone.

I agree, BAP deserves better.  In general, BAP as a group was truly never really able to recover after that first lawsuit. Not just management wise, but musically they were sort of all over the place. Honestly at that point (the first lawsuit) is when all of them should of left TS, and did a Block B in my opinion.

BTS’ social conscious image being pushed harder or louder doesn’t change the fact that BAP had the same image before them. BTS has changed concepts but their image as being socially conscious has always remained, that hasn’t gone anywhere. Overall, their title songs don’t showcase that part of them anymore. BAP did have more title songs that showed that image, but changing concepts doesn’t erase how similar the two groups were.
People talk about bap losing fans to BTS because of their similar images because they did. People also talk about EXO losing fans to BTS because that happened too. They just happened to have different images. People speaking the truth.

It’s not about BTS stealing BAPs fame, as I said before I’m sure BTS would still be where they are regardless. No one is saying BAP would be exactly where BTS is right now, what people are saying is that they would have been much more than what they ended as, plain and simple.
BAP stayed true to BAP until the end so them being all over the place after the lawsuit couldn’t be any further from the truth. 
 

 

[rananicolee]

11 minutes ago, Lee07 said:

BTS’ social conscious image being pushed harder or louder doesn’t change the fact that BAP had the same image before them. BTS has changed concepts but their image as being socially conscious has always remained, that hasn’t gone anywhere. Overall, their title songs don’t showcase that part of them anymore. BAP did have more title songs that showed that image, but changing concepts doesn’t erase how similar the two groups were.
People talk about bap losing fans to BTS because of their similar images because they did. People also talk about EXO losing fans to BTS because that happened too. They just happened to have different images. People speaking the truth.

It’s not about BTS stealing BAPs fame, as I said before I’m sure BTS would still be where they are regardless. No one is saying BAP would be exactly where BTS is right now, what people are saying is that they would have been much more than what they ended as, plain and simple.
BAP stayed true to BAP until the end so them being all over the place after the lawsuit couldn’t be any further from the truth. 
 

 

If I'm remembering right, BAP was poised to be a big boy band especially after MAMA in 2012 but TS did what TS did best sadly. 

[satoori]

14 minutes ago, Lee07 said:

BTS’ social conscious image being pushed harder or louder doesn’t change the fact that BAP had the same image before them. BTS has changed concepts but their image as being socially conscious has always remained, that hasn’t gone anywhere. Overall, their title songs don’t showcase that part of them anymore. BAP did have more title songs that showed that image, but changing concepts doesn’t erase how similar the two groups were.
People talk about bap losing fans to BTS because of their similar images because they did. People also talk about EXO losing fans to BTS because that happened too. They just happened to have different images. People speaking the truth.

It’s not about BTS stealing BAPs fame, as I said before I’m sure BTS would still be where they are regardless. No one is saying BAP would be exactly where BTS is right now, what people are saying is that they would have been much more than what they ended as, plain and simple.
BAP stayed true to BAP until the end so them being all over the place after the lawsuit couldn’t be any further from the truth. 
 

 

Again I agree, BAP could have been big. But yea, we will just have agree to disagree on the rest lol because after 2014 both BTS and BAP image was completely different. BTS had moved on to their iconic "youth concept" and developing their "BTS Universe" with storytelling and theories. 

Nah some people talk about BAP losing fans to BTS because they choose to forget about the other boy groups who BAP lost fans to also. It's always been about trying to discredit BTS. It's not coincidence people started doing this around the time BTS became a so called "threat". It's right in line with BTS being dragged by other groups' fans back in the days. e.g plagiarisms, sajaegi and etc.

I guess,  I'm mis-interpreting "they probably would have been in their place right now"... ...

 

Edited January 31, 2021 by satoori

[CatchingDreams]

28 minutes ago, satoori said:

Again I agree, BAP could have been big. But yea, we will just have agree to disagree on the rest lol because after 2014 both BTS and BAP image was completely different. BTS had moved on to their iconic "youth concept" and developing their "BTS Universe" with storytelling and theories. 

Nah some people talk about BAP losing fans to BTS because they choose to forget about the other boy groups who BAP lost fans to also. It's always been about trying to discredit BTS. It's not coincidence people started doing this around the time BTS became a so called "threat". It's right in line with BTS being dragged by other groups' fans back in the days. e.g plagiarisms, sajaegi and etc.

I guess,  I'm mis-interpreting "they probably would have been in their place right now"... ...

 

I didn’t take the person I responded to as them being 100% sure that bap would be the biggest boy group in the world right now. My response was that they were definitely similar and were heading to be something big. The comparisons between the two groups have always been there, even before the hiatus, it wasn’t just because BTS started to get bigger. I watched BAP debut and also watched BTS debut, and I remember talking about it with people back then. As more people came into kpop the conversations just got bigger and less kind. It’s just the ugliness of fandoms. I don’t know many fandoms that behave kindly. 

 

[Hizu]

I went to their concert once. Daehyun was my favourite too, I still have the album with his signature. Those were good times...

[satoori]

2 hours ago, Lee07 said:

I didn’t take the person I responded to as them being 100% sure that bap would be the biggest boy group in the world right now. My response was that they were definitely similar and were heading to be something big. The comparisons between the two groups have always been there, even before the hiatus, it wasn’t just because BTS started to get bigger. I watched BAP debut and also watched BTS debut, and I remember talking about it with people back then. As more people came into kpop the conversations just got bigger and less kind. It’s just the ugliness of fandoms. I don’t know many fandoms that behave kindly. 

 

I was there too. Again I agree, an argument could be made about making comparisons in the early days (2013-2014), I'm not denying there were a few parallels. There were a bunch of boy groups during that time with similar identities.  My point is after 2014, the argument is a lot harder to make. In fact, I don't remember seeing anyone even on OH saying "I Need U" or "Run" or anything related to HYYH era reminding them of BAP. 

Absolutely agree fandoms can be really ugly. It was terrible back in the days for BTS as they were rising and ARMYs was still growing. Fandoms of senior groups constantly starting mess ughh