[Knetizen] Rookie groups from SM, YG, JYP, and Big Hit will debut in 2021

[KentasGlittery EyeMakeup]

source: Rookie groups from SM, YG, JYP, and Big Hit will debut in 2021

With aespa just having debuted in November, 2020, SM Entertainment is already planning on launching a new boy group soon. The new group is said to not be a part of the NCT umbrella, and will have an all-new, creative universe of their own.

YG Entertainment has plans on launching a new girl group soon. Not only YG Entertainment however, but BigHit Entertainment, Source Music, Universal Music and HOW Entertainment all plan on releasing rookie girl groups in 2021.

JYP Entertainment has plans to launch two teams, one in Korea and one in China. Both will be boy groups, with the Chinese debut team to consist of all Japanese members akin to NiziU but will be active in China. They have been dubbed Project C for the time-being. cr

original post: theqoo

1. I’m looking forward to Source Music’s new girl group

2. Honestly, SM will make a lot of money if they debut a group like EXO in the future…

3. What about the members of NCT Dream?

4. SM, can’t you give me a group like TVXQ or Shinhwa?

5. I think it would be better if they focus on Aespa, Treasure, NCT, and TXT.. The idol market is already too saturated

6. YG, just take care of BLACKPINK

7. YG’s new girl group? I really want to see BLACKPINK’s junior girl group, but it’s important that YG promotes them well

8. I’m looking forward to YG’s new girl group

9. I will not believe YG until they give me the trailer

[Hizu]

Wow, was not expecting SM to debut another boy group. Ten needs to go solo NOW if he wants to make some money. NCT's concept didn't work as well as they hoped and WayV is the underappreciated unit of NCT, so I say farewell, best of luck. My boy needs to pull a Taemin as soon as possible.

 

I'm not sure about a Korean company creating a Japanese group promoting in China, but it's JYP and I trust it more than YG, so... hopefully bops will come.

 

[eli]

7 minutes ago, Hizu said:

Wow, was not expecting SM to debut another boy group. Ten needs to go solo NOW if he wants to make some money. NCT's concept didn't work as well as they hoped and WayV is the underappreciated unit of NCT, so I say farewell, best of luck. My boy needs to pull a Taemin as soon as possible.

this is some dumbass take sorry but

[Hizu]

8 minutes ago, eli said:

this is some dumbass take sorry but

Fine, I'll say it in a more serious way.
NCT clearly hasn't had the success SM hoped. It was an experimental concept and, while it did pretty well, it still didn't do THAT well, considering it's SM. WayV is the more underappreciated SM NCT unit, with the least views and all, which is not surprising since they sing in chinese and don't promote much. Ten has been popular since his debut with NCT U, but instead of being put int NCT 127, he was put in WayV, which has less exposure. And since 127 isn't doing that well and WayV is doing worse, I'm worried about his future, because I think he has what it takes to be very popular and possibly go solo and be the "next Taemin". 
Since SM has precedents of ignoring groups in favour of others, I worry that NCT, and especially WayV, will be at a disadvantage. Got it?

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by Hizu

[eli]

1 minute ago, Hizu said:

Fine, I'll say it in a more serious way.
NCT clearly hasn't had the success SM hoped. It was an experimental concept and, while it did pretty well, it still didn't do THAT well, considering it's SM. WayV is the more underappreciated SM NCT unit, with the least views and all, which is not surprising since they sing in chinese and don't promote much. Ten has been popular since his debut with NCT U, but instead of being put int NCT 127, he was put in WayV, which has less exposure. And since 127 isn't doing that well and WayV is doing worse, I'm worried about his future, because I think he has what it takes to be very popular and possibly go solo and be the "next Taemin". 
Since SM has precedents of ignoring groups in favour of others, I worry that NCT, and especially WayV, will be at a disadvantage. Got it?

 

i really cant take u serious when ur talking about 127/nct not doing that well but sure, nct2020 has done great, 127 last comeback did great, the fandom has grown a lot in these past few months. we'll just have to wait and see if nct2020 did something for wayv's popularity too, im gonna guess that it did.

we all know ten has what it takes to be popular solo but i personally think its not the time for that yet

[Hizu]

8 minutes ago, eli said:

i really cant take u serious when ur talking about 127/nct not doing that well but sure, nct2020 has done great, 127 last comeback did great, the fandom has grown a lot in these past few months. we'll just have to wait and see if nct2020 did something for wayv's popularity too, im gonna guess that it did.

we all know ten has what it takes to be popular solo but i personally think its not the time for that yet

NCT has a pretty solid fanbase, but they're also pretty unknown outside of the kpop community. I'd say they're in the middle, considering it's a 5 year old group and from SM. At least that's my impression. With a new boy group coming up, SM could decide to put the effort and money there, like it's always done with new groups vs the older group. And true, Ten might not be ready for that yet, I just fear that his moment will pass with him fading in the background of a 23 member group. 

[eli]

3 minutes ago, Hizu said:

NCT has a pretty solid fanbase, but they're also pretty unknown outside of the kpop community. I'd say they're in the middle, considering it's a 5 year old group and from SM. At least that's my impression. With a new boy group coming up, SM could decide to put the effort and money there, like it's always done with new groups vs the older group. And true, Ten might not be ready for that yet, I just fear that his moment will pass with him fading in the background of a 23 member group. 

thats true, tho i have hopes for sm not completely ignoring nct after a new bg debuts bc lsm is so into the nct concept, idt hes ready to let it go yet

should probably also keep in mind smngg was rumored to debut for 500 years before aespa debuting, so we'll see if this is true

[Guest]

Im curious what will be the concept for the JYP groups. 

[starsocks]

2 hours ago, KentasGlittery EyeMakeup said:

with the Chinese debut team to consist of all Japanese members akin to NiziU but will be active in China

but

why

[hynapia]

5 hours ago, KentasGlittery EyeMakeup said:

Both will be boy groups, with the Chinese debut team to consist of all Japanese members akin to NiziU but will be active in China

This doesn't make that much sense? Why a group of japanese members would be focused in China instead of Japan? I thought the members were gonna be chinese and then they were gonna do a male version of Nizi survival to create a japanese bg for the japanese market. I'm confused now. I'm also curious about the Korean bg because I'm still not sure if it'll be directly under JYP or co-managed with P Nation since the survival show that's coming in march is a collab between JYP and PSY.

As for the others I'm still not sure about SM nbg because they still seem focused in establishing NCT's popularity and they just debuted Aespa so idk. Same with YG gg. Knowing YG they could delay their debut like they did with treasure so who knows.

Really excited for the BH x Soumu gg. I hope they start introducing the members soon.

Edited January 5, 2021 by hynapia

[le.ah]

5 hours ago, Hizu said:

Wow, was not expecting SM to debut another boy group. Ten needs to go solo NOW if he wants to make some money. NCT's concept didn't work as well as they hoped and WayV is the underappreciated unit of NCT, so I say farewell, best of luck. My boy needs to pull a Taemin as soon as possible.

 

I'm not sure about a Korean company creating a Japanese group promoting in China, but it's JYP and I trust it more than YG, so... hopefully bops will come.

 

 

3 hours ago, choiyujins said:

but

why

 

13 minutes ago, hynapia said:

This doesn't make that much sense? Why a group of japanese member would be focused in China instead of Japan? I thought the members were gonna be chinese and then they were gonna do a male version of Nizi survival to create a japanese bg for the japanese market. I'm confused now. I'm also curious about the Korean bg because I'm still not sure if it'll be directly under JYP or co-managed with P Nation since the survival show that's coming in march is a collab between JYP and PSY.

As for the others I'm still not sure about SM nbg because they still seem focused in establishing NCT's popularity and they just debuted Aespa so idk. Same with YG gg. Knowing YG they could delay their debut like they did with treasure so who knows.

Really excited for the BH x Soumu gg. I hope they start introducing the members soon.

 

This part is mistranslated. It will be a group of chinese who will work based in China. 

I think the translator mixed the information.

There are some rumors about future groups

1. Loud (Jyp will manage group B and Pnation group A)
2. Project C (jyp china bg)

• These two are almost confirmed for this year/beginning of next year.
• Rumors that group B will be a band
• So besides Project C, JYPE will debut a new band.

3. Future Japanese BG (Probably 2023, survival show like Nizi project. If they want to rush the show in the middle 2022 with a debut at the end of the year, like NiziU)
4. Future American GG (distant future)

Rumors are that Yao Chen will be in that group. And Luo Yan, who appeared in one of the episodes of the boy story's new variety show will be in the group too.

 

 

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by le.ah

[hynapia]

10 minutes ago, le.ah said:

 

 

 

This part is mistranslated. It will be a group of chinese who will work based in China. 

I think the translator mixed the information.

There are some rumors about future groups

1. Loud (Jyp will manage group B and Pnation group A)
2. Project C (jyp china bg)

• These two are almost confirmed for this year/beginning of next year.
• Rumors that group B will be a band
• So besides Project C, JYPE will debut a new band.

3. Future Japanese BG
4. Future American GG

Rumors are that Yao Chen will be in that group. And Luo Yan, who appeared in one of the episodes of the new variety show of the boy story will be too

 

 

 

I think the rumors of loud bg being a band were debunked? I read that they're gonna debut 2 groups and each one with "their own colors". One of them is actually rumored to be a hip hop group but it's still not clear if it'll be the JYP bg or the P Nation bg.

Also not sure about Yao Chen joining Project C because he's doing extremely well in China (especially with his solo releases) but I hope he joins this group because I personally prefer him in a group. That trainee with the Boystory kid is cute too btw.

[Blood Orange]

I remember reading somewhere that sm was going to give the new bg the exo treatment so I’m excited to see what they bring out. and I really fucking hope it’s a permanent line up. I can’t deal with a group that has multiple units tbh.

im also curious about yg gg. he’s been talking about his yg snsd for years. he’s been obsessed. I’m curious to see if he finally got it and what are his plans. 

[le.ah]

27 minutes ago, hynapia said:

I think the rumors of loud bg being a band were debunked? I read that they're gonna debut 2 groups and each one with "their own colors". One of them is actually rumored to be a hip hop group but it's still not clear if it'll be the JYP bg or the P Nation bg.

Also not sure about Yao Chen joining Project C because he's doing extremely well in China (especially with his solo releases) but I hope he joins this group because I personally prefer him in a group. That trainee with the Boystory kid is cute too btw.

I don't know anymore LOL

 

 

So, we have information about the genre of Pnation bg will be, but not of JYPE. The mismatched information ¬¬

Regarding Yao Chen, he has a big possibility of pursuing a solo career. But I also want to see him in a group, it would bring visibility to the new group and he'll have companions to share responsibilities and concerns. I think JYPE will probably do something like Stray kids survival show to "promote" the new group.

Edited January 5, 2021 by le.ah

[Blood Orange]

6 hours ago, Hizu said:

Fine, I'll say it in a more serious way.
NCT clearly hasn't had the success SM hoped. It was an experimental concept and, while it did pretty well, it still didn't do THAT well, considering it's SM. WayV is the more underappreciated SM NCT unit, with the least views and all, which is not surprising since they sing in chinese and don't promote much. Ten has been popular since his debut with NCT U, but instead of being put int NCT 127, he was put in WayV, which has less exposure. And since 127 isn't doing that well and WayV is doing worse, I'm worried about his future, because I think he has what it takes to be very popular and possibly go solo and be the "next Taemin". 
Since SM has precedents of ignoring groups in favour of others, I worry that NCT, and especially WayV, will be at a disadvantage. Got it?

 

I don’t know why it’s hard for people to admit that nct failed in a way to meet expectations. yes they expanded fandom wise and they’re finally selling, but sm wanted worldwide success. they wanted to conquer multiple areas of the world. they expect an IT boy but that’s not what ended up happening. they don’t have an IT group in any of the markets. normally by now they should be stable and have some kind of presences with the gp too. however, that hasn’t happened and their success is coming at a time when a new bg is set to debut. they’re not even getting a chance to cement their foundation. that’s not even getting into how it took exo going to the army for nct to finally get a chance. exo was the obstacle that was standing in their way. they would still continually be having a hard time producing these results if exo were still around (full lineup and all) and that’s the truth. 

BUT I wouldn’t worry so much for Ten, Mark, Jaehyun, and Taeyong tbh. they’re the lucky ones. they’re basically guaranteed to have a solo career somewhere down the line. all the other ones are going to be the ones getting the short stick. 

and sm’s insecurities won’t ever let wayv happen. they could be much more but sm doesn’t want to take that risk. it’s unfortunate. their whole creation also makes little to no sense if the goal isn’t to achieve success. 

Edited January 5, 2021 by Blood Orange

[hynapia]

40 minutes ago, le.ah said:

I don't know anymore LOL

 

 

So, we have information about the genre of Pnation bg will be, but not of JYPE. The mismatched information ¬¬

Regarding Yao Chen, he has a big possibility of pursuing a solo career. But I also want to see him in a group, it would bring visibility to the new group and he'll have companions to share responsibilities and concerns. I think JYPE will probably do something like Stray kids survival show to "promote" the new group.

Yeah, even the term "boy band" is confusing because many times is used for idol boygroups too, not necessarily bands like Day6 or N Flying. Tbh debuting another idol bg when SKZ is not even 3 years old would be kinda weird because JYPE usually don't debut new groups from the same gender so close to each other but we'll see. I'm kinda interested on the show to see what kind of group(s) they create at the end.

[hynapia]

30 minutes ago, Blood Orange said:

I don’t know why it’s hard for people to admit that nct failed in a way to meet expectations. yes they expanded fandom wise and they’re finally selling, but sm wanted worldwide success. they wanted to conquer multiple areas of the world. they expect an IT boy but that’s not what ended up happening. they don’t have an IT group in any of the markets. normally by now they should be stable and have some kind of presences with the gp too. however, that hasn’t happened and their success is coming at a time when a new bg is set to debut. they’re not even getting a chance to cement their foundation. that’s not even getting into how it took exo going to the army for nct to finally get a chance. exo was the obstacle that was standing in their way. they would still continually be having a hard time producing these results if exo were still around (full lineup and all) and that’s the truth. 

BUT I wouldn’t worry so much for Ten, Mark, Jaehyun, and Taeyong tbh. they’re the lucky ones. they’re basically guaranteed to have a solo career somewhere down the line. all the other ones are going to be the ones getting the short stick. 

and sm’s insecurities won’t ever let wayv happen. they could be much more but sm doesn’t want to take that risk. it’s unfortunate. their whole creation also makes little to no sense if the goal isn’t to achieve success. 

Don't even stan NCT but they're undeniably a top bg now, just below BTS and SVT (I don't count EXO because they're currently enlisted/enlisting and they don't release anything as a full group since 2018). Just because a group don't sell/chart like other seniors from the company it doesn't mean they're not fairly successful. It'd be like saying that RV is not a top gg because they aren't as big as SNSD at their peak.

[MinnieMax]

Considering that they basically debuted 2 new generation of groups like Suju so far (EXO, NCT) they are SO going after new HOT/TVXQ but on global scale this time

SM is probably set to debut a group that they consider as a potential game changer. So 5-7 very talented members that will be pushed and promoted all over the place and will probably accumulate/inherit a noticeable fandom from the start. Prepare for a lot of media noise :))))

I am curious how it all will play out. 2021 will be interesting 

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, MinnieMax said:

Considering that they basically debuted 2 new generation of groups like Suju so far (EXO, NCT) they are SO going after new HOT/TVXQ but on global scale this time

SM is probably set to debut a group that they consider as a potential game changer. So 5-7 very talented members that will be pushed and promoted all over the place and will probably accumulate/inherit a noticeable fandom from the start. Prepare for a lot of media noise :))))

I am curious how it all will play out. 2021 will be interesting 

A 4th gen HOT would be very interesting actually. I heard HOT were super huge at their peak and that considering they were only known in Korea and some parts of Asia.

[Ghosty]

10 minutes ago, hynapia said:

A 4th gen HOT would be very interesting actually. I heard HOT were super huge at their peak and that considering they were only known in Korea and some parts of Asia.

Yeah, even though I was born around the time of their disbandment, their impact was strong. They pretty much revived the South Korean album sales in midst of an asian financial crisis, and I know they were also the very first kpop groups to have a very strong Chinese fanbase, which prompted SM to follow that formula of promotion from then on, promote their groups in China and therefore, the reason why so many 2nd and 3rd gen groups have so many Chinese members today. 

With that being said, I would really like... a non-gimmicky group from SM again. Boy group or girl group, I just want to have a group that doesn't have drama surrounding the "innovative" concept. Experimental groups are fine, which is why we have NCT and had f(x), but we really just need a public friendly group this time, in my opinion. It's a little frustrating to have a title track be a hit or miss every comeback in regards to other SM groups 

Edited January 5, 2021 by Ghosty

[Midnight~Circus]

3 hours ago, Ghosty said:

Yeah, even though I was born around the time of their disbandment, their impact was strong. They pretty much revived the South Korean album sales in midst of an asian financial crisis, and I know they were also the very first kpop groups to have a very strong Chinese fanbase, which prompted SM to follow that formula of promotion from then on, promote their groups in China and therefore, the reason why so many 2nd and 3rd gen groups have so many Chinese members today. 

With that being said, I would really like... a non-gimmicky group from SM again. Boy group or girl group, I just want to have a group that doesn't have drama surrounding the "innovative" concept. Experimental groups are fine, which is why we have NCT and had f(x), but we really just need a public friendly group this time, in my opinion. It's a little frustrating to have a title track be a hit or miss every comeback in regards to other SM groups 

I agree with you. I hate to admit it but I too hope SM will debut a non-gimmick lore driven group this year and goes back to what they're known for which is public friendly and memorable catchy songs. I've heard so many Koreans complain about SM's current fanaticism with being experimental at the cost of not gaining a favorable public response.

I know there are many people that prefer SM's experimental concepts and title track songs but I personally have a hard time digesting what SM's current roster of artists put out, more often than not, and I never felt this way prior to 2017.

[Ghosty]

2 hours ago, Midnight~Circus said:

I agree with you. I hate to admit it but I too hope SM will debut a non-gimmick lore driven group this year and goes back to what they're known for which is public friendly and memorable catchy songs. I've heard so many Koreans complain about SM's current fanaticism with being experimental at the cost of not gaining a favorable public response.

I know there are many people that prefer SM's experimental concepts and title track songs but I personally have a hard time digesting what SM's current roster of artists put out, more often than not, and I never felt this way prior to 2017.

Exactly! I have no idea why people from SM are always, "oh, well it takes two years for our groups to succeed, so we're not worried" but like... how about you just debut a group with a memorable and public friendly debut song in the first place? It'll make things a lot easier for you? Like what? 

The only good thing that has come out of SM wanting to be experimental is that they know that the public won't receive it very well, which in turn, would make more content to grow their fanbase. NCT's youtube channel is a giant example, tbh. And it's not like SM can't be unique and public friendly either. A lot of Taemin's songs have that factor. It's just that they really don't care to manage and promote him properly, lmao. 

[hynapia]

19 hours ago, Ghosty said:

Yeah, even though I was born around the time of their disbandment, their impact was strong. They pretty much revived the South Korean album sales in midst of an asian financial crisis, and I know they were also the very first kpop groups to have a very strong Chinese fanbase, which prompted SM to follow that formula of promotion from then on, promote their groups in China and therefore, the reason why so many 2nd and 3rd gen groups have so many Chinese members today. 

With that being said, I would really like... a non-gimmicky group from SM again. Boy group or girl group, I just want to have a group that doesn't have drama surrounding the "innovative" concept. Experimental groups are fine, which is why we have NCT and had f(x), but we really just need a public friendly group this time, in my opinion. It's a little frustrating to have a title track be a hit or miss every comeback in regards to other SM groups 

Same, sometimes I wish SM went back to releasing catchy public friendly songs as they used to do during second gen and early 3rd gen but tbh, sometimes the experimental stuff works for some of their groups. SHINee, f(x) or RV did pretty well with experimental/quirky concepts and sound. In NCT's case I don't think the reason why they aren't that popular with GP is because of their concept/music but more because of their complicated unit system (that it's not really that complicated but the Korean public isn't used to the rotational/unit concept like it happens in Japan, for example). Aespa's debut song is not exactly public friendly either yet they're charting well and becoming relatively popular with the public so...

But yeah, I agree that a more traditional inspired SM bg like HOT or DBSK would be kinda refreshing, especially nowadays that 90% of groups do experimental and flashy stuff.

Edited January 6, 2021 by hynapia

[Blood Orange]

On 1/5/2021 at 2:43 PM, hynapia said:

Don't even stan NCT but they're undeniably a top bg now, just below BTS and SVT (I don't count EXO because they're currently enlisted/enlisting and they don't release anything as a full group since 2018). Just because a group don't sell/chart like other seniors from the company it doesn't mean they're not fairly successful. It'd be like saying that RV is not a top gg because they aren't as big as SNSD at their peak.

your reply has no correlation to anything in my comment. you’re bringing things up that weren’t mention or even touched based on. if I made any comparison it was to how sm introduced nct and their expectations for them to their deliverance thus far. because for all the talking you do on here about them I’m sure you’re well aware with what sm’s plans were originally with them, right?

 I also didn’t measure their success with any of their seniors or question their position. because it’s not about that. they are successful and it would be juvenile to state otherwise. the talk was if they met the expectations that were had for them, and company wise, no they really haven’t yet. they’re succeeding in a level lower than sm proclaim they were going to reach. it says something when the goals for both nct and exo are said to be allegedly applied to the nbg.

I feel like many of y’all don’t understand that NCT was meant to be a whole lot more than what it is now. they were meant to push the envelope. lsm envision them being pioneers that would take kpop to the next level world wide. they wanted nct to be like what bts is. If you think I’m wrong by that then you need to go back to the first conference and start to listen to lsm and his goals for nct from then and throughout. nct suffers from the same thing exo did, everyone thinks it’s enough and it’s okay when no it’s really not. that’s not how you tap into potential.

and let’s keep things honest here. you don’t mention exo because you don’t like them. I’ve seen you multiple times try to belittle their success and it shows you weren’t around to actually understand it or to understand in what areas they actually failed expectations too. because as successful exo is, they didn’t meet what sm set out in getting with them. the difference, however, is that exo was still able to leave their mark and spark a change for kpop. also this continued denial of being an nct stan is strange when it’s almost assured you would be one of the people to reply in their defense and when you made how many post about their charts position? tbh nothing is more annoying then when someone tries to act like they’re neutral when they clearly do have a sort of bias.

no need to reply because I rarely read any of your replies to me tbh.

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, Blood Orange said:

your reply has no correlation to anything in my comment. you’re bringing things up that weren’t mention or even touched based on. if I made any comparison it was to how sm introduced nct and their expectations for them to their deliverance thus far. because for all the talking you do on here about them I’m sure you’re well aware with what sm’s plans were originally with them, right?

 I also didn’t measure their success with any of their seniors or question their position. because it’s not about that. they are successful and it would be juvenile to state otherwise. the talk was if they met the expectations that were had for them, and company wise, no they really haven’t yet. they’re succeeding in a level lower than sm proclaim they were going to reach. it says something when the goals for both nct and exo are said to be allegedly applied to the nbg.

I feel like many of y’all don’t understand that NCT was meant to be a whole lot more than what it is now. they were meant to push the envelope. lsm envision them being pioneers that would take kpop to the next level world wide. they wanted nct to be like what bts is. If you think I’m wrong by that then you need to go back to the first conference and start to listen to lsm and his goals for nct from then and throughout. nct suffers from the same thing exo did, everyone thinks it’s enough and it’s okay when no it’s really not. that’s not how you tap into potential.

and let’s keep things honest here. you don’t mention exo because you don’t like them. I’ve seen you multiple times try to belittle their success and it shows you weren’t around to actually understand it or to understand in what areas they actually failed expectations too. because as successful exo is, they didn’t meet what sm set out in getting with them. the difference, however, is that exo was still able to leave their mark and spark a change for kpop. also this continued denial of being an nct stan is strange when it’s almost assured you would be one of the people to reply in their defense and when you made how many post about their charts position? tbh nothing is more annoying then when someone tries to act like they’re neutral when they clearly do have a sort of bias.

no need to reply because I rarely read any of your replies to me tbh.

For not reading any of my replies you wrote a whole ass essay that I didn't bother to read to a simple short comment.

And when I've even replied to you? I don't remember even talking to you in the first place so you can keep your unnecessary petulant attitude. I don't even know who you are while you're even inventing stuff about me like that I dislike exo when I barely mention them at all. So weird.

Edited January 8, 2021 by hynapia