Who will be the last post i.o.i group standing?

[satoori]

First Pristin, now Gugudan... TT

 

Edited December 31, 2020 by satoori

[Anii]

WJSN, although I've seen many people not consider them to be a post-I.O.I group like DIA

[Hopkinz]

DIA will be next to go which pains me because I like them.  They've been hanging on by a thread and their lineups are very inconsistent. Plus they debuted before any of these groups.

 

tbh I think Weki Meki might technically last the longest but will probably be inactive for a year or so before their disbandment.  WJSN debuted before Weki Meki so their contracts are up first and I don't know if they'll continue.  Sistar didn't and Starship might want to shift attention to a new group with Yujin and Wonyoung.

Edited December 31, 2020 by Hopkinz

[lighterxx]

I feel like dia will stubbornly persist idk why o.o

I like songs from all the groups listed here tho i hope none of them qre disbanded in the end

[Pink Bear]

WJSN was definitely the most succesful but I have no idea about their plans for the future. Their subunit didn't do super well but IMO, doing an Orange Caramel concept was a bold choice in the first place. Maybe they're gonna debut the girl crush subunit before disbanding? I really don't know, none of the members really dropped any hints about the future.

Weki Meki is definitely gonna disband once their contract is up. The members explicitly admitted to having given up on achieving anything as a group so I think they are just waiting to pursue their own solo careers. Yoojung and Doyeon will still keep being popular, the others will have to find another road. (So far only Suyeon has been working on her composer curriculum and she's also part of an indie band so maybe that's what she's gonna do in the future.)

Don't know about DIA, sorry.

So far I'm gonna say either Weki Meki or DIA because WJSN is in a stable spot compared to the other 2.

EDIT: You know though, it's ridiculous that the most popular group out of them all (Pristin) ended up being the first one to disband. Almost surreal. And the soloists instead did really well...if one had put bets on each IOI member, the outcome would have been rather shocking haha

Edited December 31, 2020 by Pink Bear

[spopo]

2 minutes ago, Pink Bear said:

Weki Meki is definitely gonna disband once their contract is up. The members explicitly admitted to having given up on achieving anything as a group so I think they are just waiting to pursue their own solo careers.

woah that's pretty honest.  Do you have a link to that?

[spopo]

DIA's the next to go.  I wouldn't be that surprised if they disbanded in 2021.  WJSN actually seems to be getting more popular, if anything, so I think they have a future (although I suspect they'll lose some more members before they're done).

[MVSica]

A few stats

-WJSN 560k sales is more than all post ioi groups combined, and 2nd highest gg for 2016 behind Blackpink

-WJSN 8 wins is more than all post ioi groups combined

-WJSN just won Album of the year and best subunit Chocome on kpopstarz amongst many other accolades for Neverland Including many critics picks etc for pantomime Our Garden and overall album.

 -WJSN is booked and busy( they have been doing various solo promo for last 6 months with Bona, Dayoung, Seola and Eunseo acting in Dramas, Yeonjung osts and lotto singer, Dawon Musical and  Dayoung, Yeoreum, Soobin and Luda debuting in Chocome) and sold 100k for an album with Neverland

-Outside of WJSN and Chungha all post ioi groups album sales have fallen drastically

-Weki Meki debuted with 50k sales... and cool I believe is around 12k

-DIA last comeback was like 6k sales their highest was I believe in 40k range 2 years ago

-That is a stark contrast to WJSN Neverland selling 106k(As You Wish sold 97k, For the Summer sold 78k) and Chocome debut subunit sold 24k, it also went viral and lots of idols and shows were doing hmph. They got a ton of exposure for the least popular members and won 3 year end awards.

At this point I think its pretty obvious for WJSN  they will be around a while even with new SS groups, they have a large fandom in china and a dedicated fandom in korea and they sell a lot for a gg. They really accomplished a lot of things in the last 2 years. 

Never trust any of these companies with ggs tho 

I would like Weki Meki to stick around as long as possible, they have bops.  And since Gugudan has basically been done for 2 years they have become my 2nd fav ioi related group. DIA I liked Woowa but idk about Chaeyeon situation last comeback I think she is back for January comeback. But the sales tho...

Both WKMK and DIA sales are quite frankly scary... I just cant believe they have dropped so much, I don't know what to think of those numbers. 

By contrast WJSN album sales has continually grown from 49 first day sales(to 49k!) and We Just Sold Nothing to improving every comeback to 106k for Neverland, only 1k short of IOIs highest selling album.

I don't see WJSN members wanting to leave tbh they are all getting solo promos and making money now. I do see things slowing down eventually as all ggs do as they approach 7 years. But tbh WJSN already won in a sense they have sold a ton of albums, won music shows, won awards, get solo promo. Many ggs would be lucky to be in that situation. 

WJSN - may never chart like the big 3 but they are undeniably successful. 

Weki Meki - I would like them to enjoy success

DIA - I have doubts since last comeback had weird deal with Chaeyeon being absent

It is funny that people act like it's a given to have a successful group because you have an ioi member, when obviously that's not true. All of these groups had to fight to make it in the industry and they didn't have Mnet there to help them. It's the reality of most nugus and mid size groups, they wont get a hit etc even if they have good songs because they just are too small to get noticed. The produce haze makes people have incredibly unrealistic expectations for these members, and most just will not reach that level again.

tl;dr

Stan WJSN

[Pink Bear]

Just now, spopo said:

woah that's pretty honest.  Do you have a link to that?

Here. To sum it up, they were reminiscing about the beginning of their career and Rina said they used to be so passionate and worked so hard, implying that now they just don't have the same dreams anymore because their albums were overlooked (she said people didn't pay attention to "La La La" album).

But aside from that, it's clear from their vlogs that they are already pursuing other roads. Suyeon is in college and has been working extra hard on her composer career. She said she is interested in writing a song for herself too in the future which makes me think she might be interested in singing solo in the future. Or at least getting revenue as a composer since she said one of the songs she wrote was initally meant for male voices.

Spoiler

 

Yoojung and Lua took their entrance exams too but I'm unsure if they ever ended up attending college. But aside from that, the biggest problem with Weki Meki is that they never won any award ever. This was their third year and their popularity did not increase in the slightest, no matter what kind of concept they try. Their "Oopsy" MV was one of the lowest budget MVs I had ever seen for a group in their third year of career and you can clearly see Fantagio does the bare minimum for them. If you look at all their MVs in succession you can also notice they re-use assets.

Only Doyeon and Yoojung keep getting gigs and even in the few programs they get to appear like the latest Knowing Brothers, it's always Dodaeng that get sent. The other members barely exist and it's been one of their limiting problems since the beginning. Fantagio pushed their image because they were popular during IOI days but this always made the group appear divided, the usual "Dodaeng and the girls" kind of vibe.

On the Knowing Brothers episode, Dodaeng managed to win the game and Yoojung cried because the Brothers invited the group to the "ending of school term" party and she was crying out of happiness because they barely have any chances to get the group to be known. As much as one could think Dodaeng are lucky to be the most popular members, they actually suffered a lot because they are aware of their image obscuring the other members and it pains them because it didn't help them in the long run. Doyeon had even given up college to focus on Weki Meki activities back in 2018 so they really gave all of themselves to a company that did them dirty because of the increasing money problems and general group management.

All in all, I don't see them having many chances for a sudden rise in popularity. They are pretty much the CLC of Fantagio at this point. Too far into their career to become popular, not far enough to disband yet. But you know what is gonna happen when they already have their own personal socials. The company hasn't even been particularly restricting them in how they operate them, considering Lua has even been replying to fan's stories, something that other companies would have NEVER allowed.

[spopo]

21 minutes ago, Pink Bear said:

Here. To sum it up, they were reminiscing about the beginning of their career and Rina said they used to be so passionate and worked so hard, implying that now they just don't have the same dreams anymore because their albums were overlooked (she said people didn't pay attention to "La La La" album).

But aside from that, it's clear from their vlogs that they are already pursuing other roads. Suyeon is in college and has been working extra hard on her composer career. She said she is interested in writing a song for herself too in the future which makes me think she might be interested in singing solo in the future. Or at least getting revenue as a composer since she said one of the songs she wrote was initally meant for male voices.

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Yoojung and Lua took their entrance exams too but I'm unsure if they ever ended up attending college. But aside from that, the biggest problem with Weki Meki is that they never won any award ever. This was their third year and their popularity did not increase in the slightest, no matter what kind of concept they try. Their "Oopsy" MV was one of the lowest budget MVs I had ever seen for a group in their third year of career and you can clearly see Fantagio does the bare minimum for them. If you look at all their MVs in succession you can also notice they re-use assets.

Only Doyeon and Yoojung keep getting gigs and even in the few programs they get to appear like the latest Knowing Brothers, it's always Dodaeng that get sent. The other members barely exist and it's been one of their limiting problems since the beginning. Fantagio pushed their image because they were popular during IOI days but this always made the group appear divided, the usual "Dodaeng and the girls" kind of vibe.

On the Knowing Brothers episode, Dodaeng managed to win the game and Yoojung cried because the Brothers invited the group to the "ending of school term" party and she was crying out of happiness because they barely have any chances to get the group to be known. As much as one could think Dodaeng are lucky to be the most popular members, they actually suffered a lot because they are aware of their image obscuring the other members and it pains them because it didn't help them in the long run. Doyeon had even given up college to focus on Weki Meki activities back in 2018 so they really gave all of themselves to a company that did them dirty because of the increasing money problems and general group management.

All in all, I don't see them having many chances for a sudden rise in popularity. They are pretty much the CLC of Fantagio at this point. Too far into their career to become popular, not far enough to disband yet. But you know what is gonna happen when they already have their own personal socials. The company hasn't even been particularly restricting them in how they operate them, considering Lua has even been replying to fan's stories, something that other companies would have NEVER allowed.

Thanks for this info.  FWIW, some nugu groups still stay together for a long time, even if they're not successful.  And even if it's unlikely they'll get a break, April has been really nugu since debut and had quite the break this year (after 5 years), so it can still happen--especially since WM has members the public already knows.

[Pink Bear]

7 hours ago, spopo said:

Thanks for this info.  FWIW, some nugu groups still stay together for a long time, even if they're not successful.  And even if it's unlikely they'll get a break, April has been really nugu since debut and had quite the break this year (after 5 years), so it can still happen--especially since WM has members the public already knows.

Yeah I agree, I do think WeMe will keep going until the end of their contract but I just don't really see a reason why they would renew it. Dodaeng are already established enough that they would be able to find other companies to hire them and the other members could finally be free and get a chance to do what they actually enrolled into Fantagio for: acting.

 

 

[hynapia]

Technically, DIA and WJSN aren't "post" IOI groups because they debuted before IOI was created but I'd say DIA is the most likely to disband or at least go on an indefinite hiatus because they're already kinda like that? Since last year or so they only have 1 comeback per year and their sales are very low so yeah...

WJSN is the only one I can see surviving in the long run because at least they have decent public popularity and very good sales.

[hynapia]

10 hours ago, Pink Bear said:

WJSN was definitely the most succesful but I have no idea about their plans for the future. Their subunit didn't do super well but IMO, doing an Orange Caramel concept was a bold choice in the first place. Maybe they're gonna debut the girl crush subunit before disbanding? I really don't know, none of the members really dropped any hints about the future.

Weki Meki is definitely gonna disband once their contract is up. The members explicitly admitted to having given up on achieving anything as a group so I think they are just waiting to pursue their own solo careers. Yoojung and Doyeon will still keep being popular, the others will have to find another road. (So far only Suyeon has been working on her composer curriculum and she's also part of an indie band so maybe that's what she's gonna do in the future.)

Don't know about DIA, sorry.

So far I'm gonna say either Weki Meki or DIA because WJSN is in a stable spot compared to the other 2.

EDIT: You know though, it's ridiculous that the most popular group out of them all (Pristin) ended up being the first one to disband. Almost surreal. And the soloists instead did really well...if one had put bets on each IOI member, the outcome would have been rather shocking haha

They said that? It's really sad because I remember they started selling nearly 50k and charting decently but they've been doing worse and worse with every comeback (just like Gugudan) so it's a pity they end up disbanding. They're such a talented group and their last title track was actually great.

[Pink Bear]

19 minutes ago, hynapia said:

They said that? It's really sad because I remember they started selling nearly 50k and charting decently but they've been doing worse and worse with every comeback (just like Gugudan) so it's a pity they end up disbanding. They're such a talented group and their last title track was actually great.

They didn't start "bad" at all, I remember there was a lot of hype when they first came out, the fanbase was super active and involved, things looked good! Then like Rina said, their albums started not getting noticed much (I blame it on their "Teen Crush" concept, which ended up failing since everyone shifted to hardcore girl crush during those years) and then their company also had money problems and they ended up getting the short hand of the stick. I remember Kilings working super hard to get them a second season of their reality show (Weki Meki MOHAE) and the views number goal was even reached but the second season never happened...this was a huge blow to the fandom, with content getting progressively more scarce and hype dying off.

I loved their last comeback too, one of the best songs of this year with an insanely dope choreo for a GG but sadly once again, NO WINS. How could a song like "Cool" not win?? The fanbase is small but they did everything possible to help the girls, Kilings are really hard-working. So it's clear it's been a management problem all along. The fandom doesn't grow, Fantagio doesn't earn enough money, bare minimum promotions, rinse and repeat.

Edited December 31, 2020 by Pink Bear

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, Pink Bear said:

They didn't start "bad" at all, I remember there was a lot of hype when they first came out, the fanbase was super active and involved, things looked good! Then like Rina said, their albums started not getting noticed much (I blame it on their "Teen Crush" concept, which ended up failing since everyone shifted to hardcore girl crush during those years) and then their company also had money problems and they ended up getting the short hand of the stick. I remember Kilings working super hard to get them a second season of their reality show (Weki Meki MOHAE) and the views number goal was even reached but the second season never happened...this was a huge blow to the fandom, with content getting progressively more scarce and hype dying off.

I loved their last comeback too, one of the best songs of this year with an insanely dope choreo for a GG but sadly once again, NO WINS. How could a song like "Cool" not win?? The fanbase is small but they did everything possible to help the girls, Kilings are really hard-working. So it's clear it's been a management problem all along. The fandom doesn't grow, Fantagio doesn't earn enough money, bare minimum promotions, rinse and repeat.

Yeah there was a lot of hype for them (and Pristin) when they debuted because they were the first proper "POST" IOI girl groups (since DIA, WJSN and even Gugudan I think? existed before IOI debuted) but sadly they lost hype pretty fast for a variety of reasons: people being disappointed with their sound/concept, other ggs like Blackpink, RV and ofc IOI rising and getting all the attention, etc. A lot of ggs face this same fate of being very hyped during debut and then slowing down. It's even happening to some Big3 ggs like ITZY in a much lesser scale so...:/

And I agree. Cool was one of the best gg songs of the year for me and the concept was bold and unique. If it was released by a top or trendy gg it would've gotten much more attention but sadly not many people are checking for Weki Meki anymore. I also heard rumors that Fantagio was planning another gg (which doesn't make sense because in any case it'd be more logical to debut another bg since Astro is nearly 5 years old already and WKMK only 3 and still can rise).

[Pink Bear]

14 minutes ago, hynapia said:

Yeah there was a lot of hype for them (and Pristin) when they debuted because they were the first proper "POST" IOI girl groups (since DIA, WJSN and even Gugudan I think? existed before IOI debuted) but sadly they lost hype pretty fast for a variety of reasons: people being disappointed with their sound/concept, other ggs like Blackpink, RV and ofc IOI rising and getting all the attention, etc. A lot of ggs face this same fate of being very hyped during debut and then slowing down. It's even happening to some Big3 ggs like ITZY in a much lesser scale so...:/

And I agree. Cool was one of the best gg songs of the year for me and the concept was bold and unique. If it was released by a top or trendy gg it would've gotten much more attention but sadly not many people are checking for Weki Meki anymore. I also heard rumors that Fantagio was planning another gg (which doesn't make sense because in any case it'd be more logical to debut another bg since Astro is nearly 5 years old already and WKMK only 3 and still can rise).

Pristin was a colossal disappointment. Winning Rookie of the Year and disbanding soon after??? WTH! Talk about being unlucky...some groups would kill to get that award but apparently in some cases it's not enough either.

I feel like even for big groups, a lot of problems stem from not being able to find their own color. Everytime someone does a concept that is similar to an already existing one shortly after that initial song was released, it will inevitably flop. There is definitely a concept saturation problem in the industry right now, both for GGs and BGs.

I didn't know about the new Fantagio GG rumors. Might it be because they had some internal changes? (They recently hired a new vice president) Maybe they just want to try something new altogether, like a different type of concept. Weki Meki is kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place because they started with teen crush concept and then had to switch to something else which always ends up upsetting the initial fanbase you had formed. So maybe they want to just start anew with another group and keep Weki Meki as it is until their contracts run out.

[satoori]

13 hours ago, PurpleAnii said:

WJSN,although I've seen many people not consider them to be a post-I.O.I group like DIA

 

2 hours ago, hynapia said:

Technically, DIA and WJSN aren't "post" IOI groups because they debuted before IOI was created but I'd say DIA is the most likely to disband

 

for the purpose of this thread, "post" meaning the groups the i.o.i members went to after (post)  i.o.i disbandment

it has nothing to do with the individual groups debut date^^

Edited December 31, 2020 by satoori

[terryy78]

Wjsn they are  consistence, as long they don't have any scandal they will last long & starship doesn't seems have trouble with finacial, but i can see problem when yujin & wonyoung debut, wjsn will be less promoted

Dia, don't see them survive,i think chaeyon will leave the group soon

Wekimeki, i think they need a hit song, their latest song probably the best song, compare to their previous teen crush song 

[oden]

weki meki gonna become like clc and if its get drag longer then that they will become dia and then disband...

cosmic girl solid...next

i guess this is the cycle of  lif.....kpop group especially kpop girl group ..those first 3 or 4 years play major role for the next 4 or 3 years to come...and those 7 years contract play major role for the next 2 or 3 years contract afterward...and then...well know what will happen to girlgroup...afterward....either go solo, do business or get married ....

[hynapia]

7 hours ago, satoori said:

 

 

for the purpose of this thread, "post" meaning the groups the i.o.i members went to after (post)  i.o.i disbandment

it has nothing to do with the individual groups debut date^^

But they were already there, no? Chaeyeon was already a DIA member when she participated in produce just like Wooseok was a up10tion member or Seungwoo was a Victon member when they participated in pdx. Yeonjung was indeed added later indeed tho, so in this sense I guess you can consider WJSN a "post" IOI group.

[satoori]

10 minutes ago, hynapia said:

But they were already there, no? Chaeyeon was already a DIA member when she participated in produce just like Wooseok was a up10tion member or Seungwoo was a Victon member when they participated in pdx. Yeonjung was indeed added later indeed tho, so in this sense I guess you can consider WJSN a "post" IOI group.

as i said, it simply means "where" the members went after (post) i.o.i

 

e.g. sungwoon was in hotshot but didn't go back, instead remain solo. chaeyeon company very well could have did the same for her too, if they wanted to (of course they didn't). 

[Sakura IS FEARLESS]

Unpopular opinion but Weki Meki.

Starship will shift their attention for their new GG after IZONE disbandment and DIA is under a hot mess of a company.

[Neopoli]

i cant see weki meki nor dia lasting more than a couple years before disbanding. i cant see dia at all making it to their contract renewal.

[felidae]

Quick question : how significant popularity ofwsjn/dia change after ioi? In my memory wsjn didn't do bad even before.

I mean it's easier to see wsjn to stay afloat and steadier longer

Edited January 2, 2021 by felidae

[seokii]

The only reason DIA wouldn't be the first to disband is only if MBK refuses to do it.

They have absolutely no trajectory at this point. Their last comeback was honestly... like it was a lovely comeback, but it struck me as a "gift" to the remaining girls. It felt like a goodbye song. It is, in fact, perfectly suited to be their last release.

WJSN has the best trajectory and will probably outlast the others, but like other have said it's very plausible that not all members will renew their contracts. Breaks my heart a little to think about, but they've given us a really good run so it'll be okay.