Enhypen's future in Japan is already looking bright..

[satoori]

En- debuted Nov 30th and they're already the 2nd highest charting 4th gen* Kpop group on Oricon Year End chart o.o Plus, in general the only 2020 Kpop rookie to chart on it.

https://onehallyu.com/topic/829717-oricons-2020-year-end-chart-kpop-only/

*Yes, I agree it's debatable if 4th gen has started. Tho for the sake of this thread, 2018-2020 is 4th gen.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by satoori
updated.

[love]

their fanbase in japan is already large and quite dedicated!  i browse japanese fan hashtags on instagram and they definitely have a loyal following there ~ 

they were also just featured on the cover of seventeen japan! 

 

[satoori]

23 minutes ago, love said:

their fanbase in japan is already large and quite dedicated!  i browse japanese fan hashtags on instagram and they definitely have a loyal following there ~ 

they were also just featured on the cover of seventeen japan! 

 

wow, thanks for sharing! seems i-land did more exposure than i expected

 

i vaguely remember they had a performance for a japanese show already too.

[love]

29 minutes ago, satoori said:

i vaguely remember they had a performance for a japanese show already too.

yeah, they performed at both the FNS kayousai and also connect to japan through abema ^^

[satoori]

6 minutes ago, love said:

yeah, they performed at both the FNS kayousai and also connect to japan through abema ^^

ah yes, fns!!! i wasn't aware of the abema one tho, nice!

 

[Ghosty]

proud of them! they have such a bright future and i'm already anticipating their next comeback!

but isn't iz*one the highest charting 4th gen group? iz*one's twelve is at #25 and enhypen is at #39 on the top 100 albums chart.

 

[satoori]

17 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

proud of them! they have such a bright future and i'm already anticipating their next comeback!

but isn't iz*one the highest charting 4th gen group? iz*one's twelve is at #25 and enhypen is at #39 on the top 100 albums chart.

 

mess. i forgot they debuted in 2018

updating op now.

[hynapia]

That's really impressive, especially considering they only have one japanese member (I know having japanese members don't necessarily mean they're gonna do well in Japan but it always helps).

I hope their k-fandom grows too tho. People have dragged them a lot for "flopping" in k-charts despite the survival show and the Big Hit name but they did the same with TxT last year and now they're the best charting post-2018 boygroup so I hope the same happens to them. They have a lot of potential.

[satoori]

3 minutes ago, hynapia said:

That's really impressive, especially considering they only have one japanese member (I know having japanese members don't necessarily mean they're gonna do well in Japan but it always helps).

I hope their k-fandom grows too tho. People have dragged them a lot for "flopping" in k-charts despite the survival show and the Big Hit name but they did the same with TxT last year and now they're the best charting post-2018 boygroup so I hope the same happens to them. They have a lot of potential.

So far it looks like they're on the right track. Not doing well on k-chart does not mean En- don't have a decent size fandom in korea. Many boy groups have good sized k-fandoms but do bad digitally. En- literally are only a month old, they still have plenty of time (years) to grow. [txt too]. As you said, they have a lot of potential.

[Ghosty]

4 minutes ago, satoori said:

So far it looks like they're on the right track. Not doing well on k-chart does not mean En- don't have a decent size fandom in korea. Many boy groups have good sized k-fandoms but do bad digitally. En- literally are only a month old, they still have plenty of time (years) to grow. [txt too]. As you said, they have a lot of potential.

we get border: day two > they surpass 500k sales > fandom grows bigger > border: day three is a full album > fans go all out > 800k sales > decent digital charting commence > en- is the leading boy group of this generation yup yup!!!

[hynapia]

16 minutes ago, satoori said:

So far it looks like they're on the right track. Not doing well on k-chart does not mean En- don't have a decent size fandom in korea. Many boy groups have good sized k-fandoms but do bad digitally. En- literally are only a month old, they still have plenty of time (years) to grow. [txt too]. As you said, they have a lot of potential.

I know but to chart decently in k-charts you need at least a fandom of the size of Seventeen or NCT and even those 2 groups have struggled since melon reform. Right now BTS is pretty much the only boygroup that can chart /really/ well but for example TxT is doing pretty decently for a new gen boygroup (ie: charting top 100 on melon daily, staying for months on melon top 500-1000, etc) and they achieved that when they got a bigger k-fandom and more attention from the GP. So I hope Enhypen grows like that too even if it takes a few years. They're only 15-19 right now so they have all the time in the world to grow lol.

[hynapia]

13 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

we get border: day two > they surpass 500k sales > fandom grows bigger > border: day three is a full album > fans go all out > 800k sales > decent digital charting commence > en- is the leading boy group of this generation yup yup!!!

I don't think they reach 800k that soon but 400-500k for their first or second comeback is definitely doable. Usually bgs that sell 500k and over do at least decently digitally (SVT, NCT, TxT, etc). The key is getting a big k-fandoms because i-fans can only help with stuff like youtube views, spotify streams, physical sales etc but they can't do sh*t in k-charts except maybe in Genie.

[satoori]

15 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

we get border: day two > they surpass 500k sales > fandom grows bigger > border: day three is a full album > fans go all out > 800k sales > decent digital charting commence > en- is the leading boy group of this generation yup yup!!!

2 minutes ago, hynapia said:

I know but to chart decently in k-charts you need at least a fandom of the size of Seventeen or NCT and even those 2 groups have struggled since melon reform. Right now BTS is pretty much the only boygroup that can chart /really/ well but for example TxT is doing pretty decently for a new gen boygroup (ie: charting top 100 on melon daily, staying for months on melon top 500-1000, etc) and they achieved that when they got a bigger k-fandom and more attention from the GP. So I hope Enhypen grows like that too even if it takes a few years. They're only 15-19 right now so they have all the time in the world to grow lol.

17/NCT/BTS....En- fandom of course isn't huge like the biggest boy groups right now in Kpop, they're only a month old. 

Which is why I said, not doing well on k-charts do not mean a group do not have decent size k-fandom. Many boy groups traditionally tend to lack public recognition. And the public (casual fans) are beneficial for k-charts.

Tbh I feel how they're doing right now on k-charts is irrelevant to their growing k-fandom^^

 

 

 

[hynapia]

5 minutes ago, satoori said:

17/NCT/BTS....En- fandom of course isn't huge like the biggest boy groups right now in Kpop, they're only a month old. 

Which is why I said, not doing well on k-charts do not mean a group do not have decent size k-fandom. Many boy groups traditionally tend to lack public recognition. And the public (casual fans) are beneficial for k-charts.

Tbh I feel how they're doing right now on k-charts is irrelevant to their growing k-fandom^^

 

 

 

But I never said their fandom was small, just that they'll probably chart better when their k-fandom grows bigger. For example most RTK groups have improved their digital charting after gaining a bigger fanbase, especially The Boyz. I know that charting is mostly GP driven but imo, a big k-fandom can always push you in the charts because you have at least a decent number of fixed unique listeners.

In En- case, they peaked 500s on melon and then dropped to 700s and eventually out of the top 1000 so my point was that if they had a bigger k-fandom they would've stayed at least for longer in the top 500-1000 like groups such as the boyz or TxT.

Edited December 29, 2020 by hynapia

[satoori]

12 minutes ago, hynapia said:

But I never said their fandom was small, just that they'll probably chart better when their k-fandom grows bigger. For example most RTK groups have improved their digital charting after gaining a bigger fanbase, especially The Boyz. I know that charting is mostly GP driven but imo, a big k-fandom can always push you in the charts because you have at least a decent number of fixed unique listeners.

In En- case, they peaked 500s on melon and then dropped to 700s and eventually out of the top 1000 so my point was that if they had a bigger k-fandom they would've stayed at least for longer in the top 500-1000 like groups such as the boyz or TxT.

I guess, I misinterpreted "I hope their k-fandom grows too tho". For me, while yes of course a huge k-fandoms is good, it's not something I'm worried and/or thinking about right now with En- since they're doing fine as a young group. Plus their fandom don't show signs of not gradually growing.

 

Edited December 29, 2020 by satoori

[hynapia]

12 minutes ago, satoori said:

I guess, I misinterpreted "I hope their k-fandom grows too tho". For me, while yes of course a huge k-fandoms is good, it's not something I'm worried and/or thinking about right now with En- since they're doing fine as a young group. Plus their fandom don't show signs of not gradually growing.

 

Maybe I didn't phrase it well but with "I hope that their fandom grows" I didn't mean they don't have k-fandom or that their fandom is very small. Obviously if they sold 300k in a month and charted in some charts like Bugs and Genie (even if it was low) it means they already have a bigger k-fandom that other "nugu" groups that don't chart anywhere but I just want them to gain an even bigger fandom so they can chart better like it happened to TxT or some RTK groups.

Even a bigger i-fandom would be nice too. Groups like ateez or stray kids have a mostly international (western) fanbase but i-fans can stream in youtube or certain k-charts like genie which helps to give them more popularity and exposure. But yeah, I agree that they're doing pretty well for a 1 month old group. This idea that all groups from big or decently popular companies have to debut with a smash hit is unrealistic, especially for boygroups because they don't have GP support like it happens with ggs.

[satoori]

3 minutes ago, hynapia said:

Maybe I didn't phrase it well but with "I hope that their fandom grows" I didn't mean they don't have k-fandom or that their fandom is very small. Obviously if they sold 300k in a month and charted in some charts like Bugs and Genie (even if it was low) it means they already have a bigger k-fandom that other "nugu" groups that don't chart anywhere but I just want them to gain an even bigger fandom so they can chart better like it happened to TxT or some RTK groups.

Even a bigger i-fandom would be nice too. Groups like ateez or stray kids have a mostly international (western) fanbase but i-fans can stream in youtube or certain k-charts like genie which helps to give them more popularity and exposure. But yeah, I agree that they're doing pretty well for a 1 month old group. This idea that all groups from big or decently popular companies have to debut with a smash hit is unrealistic, especially for boygroups because they don't have GP support like it happens with ggs.

I see. Then yea in general bigger is always better.