[NAVER] There would be no BTS without Lee Soo Man

[MicrowavedTeaforYourSoul]

Article: There would be no BTS without Lee Soo Man

Source: Han via Naver

Article deep dives into the legacy Lee Soo Man and SM have built and speculates that BTS was born out his foundation.

1. [+1,037, -23] What a load of bullsh*t to start the morning with ㅋㅋㅋ Why not just go all the way back and say BTS would not have been successful without Dangun ㅋㅋㅋ

2. [+362, -11] Why is the article sounding as if Lee Soo Man created BTS and Bang Shi Hyuk stole it...

3. [+334, -15] Hul, trash journalism... why not say YG and JYP instead!! Why SM? They're no different from Japan's Johnny's. If we never got any other companies to compete with them, I'm terrified to think of what could've happened! Just look at what SM's been doing with their drama productions. Sticking in all their idols who can't even act ㅜ pushing BTS out of year-end stages to push their groups who haven't even earned anything all year long. We all know it.

4. [+268, -7] Such a long-winded way of saying bullsh*t

5. [+232, -15] If you want to write an article praising Lee Soo Man, then do so with his own groups Do not use BTS' name and try to ride on their fame!!!! How are you not embarrassed~~~~~~ remove BTS' name from this article immediately~~~~~

6. [+181, -3] Lee Soo Man has always publicly stated that there was no point in advancing to the US because they always had the Chinese market. BTS totally broke Lee Soo Man's ideology and earned success in the States. So basically, BTS' success has nothing to do with Lee Soo Man. If BTS had followed Lee Soo Man's logic, they would've earned their success in China.

7. [+120, -2] What is this joke? SM should worry about their own groups. BTS is a group that SM could've never produced, and even if they had, could they have managed them? Lee Soo Man's been a has been for years... enough's enough. How many of your groups have abused drugs and commit suicide?

8. [+120, -4] ㅋㅋㅋㅋ What a joke ㅋㅋㅋ BTS' success has not an ounce to do with Lee Soo Man. Please go educate yourself on the American pop market algorithm ㅜ unless the whole point of this article was to praise Lee Soo Man? ㅡㅡ While BTS was making their name known in the States, please ask any American how many SM artists they knew? Reality is that BTS paved the road in America, not K-Pop. There's a reason it's called BTS-pop.. sigh ㅜ

9. [+101, -1] If Lee Soo Man and SM had never existed, BTS would've become successful much earlier

Source: http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2020/12/how-much-does-lee-soo-mans-legacy-have.html

Also worth noting:  This is a commentary article by KakaoM Producer who is making music content channel 1theK.

[Archer2006]

the delusion is real. 

[satoori]

Why is SM is being so annoying lately...

SM and it's artists have never tried to claim anything about BTS before. Many of them don't even talk about BTS impact.

Boa, lowkey Suju and now articles being released about SM being the reason for Bts success.

The timing is quite suspicious. All of this coming out since BTS grammy nomination.

[HRH Ayyu]

Its just embarrassing at this point.

I guess Johnny can say there would be no kpop without Johnny Johnny company.

It's just smells of desperation to be acknowledged/ ridehype train

[satoori]

Also - SM don't even need to do this, BTS being the humble guys they are, have mentioned their seniors during interviews before.

 

But perhaps SM (Lee Soo Man) wants specific acknowledgments with names, not just a general thanking "everyone before them" type speeches.

[rananicolee]

[chaiyya]

While BTS was making their name known in the States, please ask any American how many SM artists they knew? Reality is that BTS paved the road in America, not K-Pop. There's a reason it's called BTS-pop.. sigh ㅜ

This, exactly. I never knew any of these groups people try to claim "paved the way" and neither did anyone around me.

[seokii]

SM has been top dog since, what, 1997? No wonder LSM is crying like a baby now that Bighit is threatening his reign over the industry

[doki-doki]

Don’t even dare!! BTS doesn’t owe these fools anything, when their stages were cut from shows even though they practiced so hard, none of these Kpop elites gave a single shit about them. BTS are where they are now due to hard work and their dedicated fans.  

Also, if LSM wants to play that game, there would literally be no idols if not for jpop so send your dues to Japan..

[Tarted]

Hey, I know BTS reached a point of fame that none kpop group has before... But you guys trying to deny the importance of previous gens groups are kinda direspectful...
I only knew BTS since their debut (even attended to their mini-concert in Brazil back in 2014) because I already knew Suju, SNSD, 2NE1, Big Bang and others... 
So, yes, it's unecessary to LSM try to claim this right now, but YES, previous gens had a HUGE importance on starting to spread the kpop world wide

 

[Jikrytae]

2 hours ago, chaiyya said:

 

 

This, exactly. I never knew any of these groups people try to claim "paved the way" and neither did anyone around me.

No one's "paved the way" for kpop in America yet. A paved road is useless if no one uses it. BTS fans hyping the success of BTS in America while simultaneously dismissing the rest of kpop is something I keep seeing, and it perplexes me every time. If you want to claim their international success (misleading as it may be), then go head. But it's really hypocritical to claim they're somehow blazing a trail while simultaneously admitting the trail has closed behind them, and that's exactly what this person did. 

Edited December 22, 2020 by Jikrytae

[A Hamster Named Loneliness]

technically speaking, there would've been no BTS without Seo Taiji since he was the one who pioneered k-pop. Even 1st gen groups like H.O.T, Shinhwa, SES, Fin.KL wouldn't have existed without Seo Taiji. LSM, JYP, and YG wouldn't have started their companies if it hadn't been for Seo Taiji. 

But you can't deny that BoA was the one who paved the way for kpop idols to perform in Japan. Before her no Korean artists were allowed to perform in Japan. 

Different artists paved the way for different reasons. BoA and SNSD tested the U.S waters and then BTS broke into it (although there are still lots of people who still don't like BTS, you can see it on reddit threads like "what don't you understand the popularity of" that pop up every now and then), although as the user above me said, I wouldn't consider BTS as paving the way for other kpop artists in the US when most people still don't acknowledge kpop groups. 

(and this "BTS-pop" is a load of horseshit, everyone except 12 year old Twitter stans know that BTS is still considered kpop here in the states). 

edit: and let me guess the ones who reacted with the clown emote are ARMYs who don't even know about kpop's beginnings, you guys are REALLY showing your age and/or ignorance. This is why people can't take ARMYs seriously. 

Edited December 22, 2020 by A Hamster Named Loneliness

[HRH Ayyu]

1 hour ago, Tarted said:

Hey, I know BTS reached a point of fame that none kpop group has before... But you guys trying to deny the importance of previous gens groups are kinda direspectful...
I only knew BTS since their debut (even attended to their mini-concert in Brazil back in 2014) because I already knew Suju, SNSD, 2NE1, Big Bang and others... 
So, yes, it's unecessary to LSM try to claim this right now, but YES, previous gens had a HUGE importance on starting to spread the kpop world wide

 

I dnt know how accurate the translation of the article is. But to flat out say there would be bts without lsm is disrespectful of how hard big hit n bts worked. Its diminishing their accomplishments. Sure previous gen helped pave the road but there is a reason why bts succeeded where wonder girls, boa n rain failed.

It's really arrogant and inflating LSM involvement in bts success in us. 

[Damascus Blade]

Rain: BTS did not become famous because of me. Their work and achievements are their own.

Okay, I can get it if they were talking about BoA, or TVXQ... but BTS?? They are a league on their own.

[Guest]

what is SM even trying to do with this kind of speech? And it's not the first time that they say things like that either. Are they trying to bait fans for some noise marketing? The way it is worded, it makes them look like they are chasing some clout! 

And trying to appropriate other people hard work (when they had absolutely nothing to do with it) is frankly making them look bad and delusional

Edited December 22, 2020 by IAmNochu

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

3 hours ago, Tarted said:

Hey, I know BTS reached a point of fame that none kpop group has before... But you guys trying to deny the importance of previous gens groups are kinda direspectful...
I only knew BTS since their debut (even attended to their mini-concert in Brazil back in 2014) because I already knew Suju, SNSD, 2NE1, Big Bang and others... 
So, yes, it's unecessary to LSM try to claim this right now, but YES, previous gens had a HUGE importance on starting to spread the kpop world wide

 

I don't know why you have so many clown emojis when it's true.

The Hallyu wave started way before BTS. BTS may have taken it to new heights and achieved a level of success that no other group before them had, but many other Kpop groups, including the ones you mentioned (Super Junior, SNSD, 2NE1, Big Bang), laid the foundation for Kpop to be known globally.

Maybe it's because so many BTS fans are younger and newer, but as someone that was a Kpop fan since 2007 when SNSD debuted, I think older Kpop fans have a different point of reference and are able to better contextualize BTS's success with other Kpop groups before them. 

[chaiyya]

2 hours ago, Jikrytae said:

No one's "paved the way" for kpop in America yet. A paved road is useless if no one uses it. BTS fans hyping the success of BTS in America while simultaneously dismissing the rest of kpop is something I keep seeing, and it perplexes me every time. If you want to claim their international success (misleading as it may be), then go head. But it's really hypocritical to claim they're somehow blazing a trail while simultaneously admitting the trail has closed behind them, and that's exactly what this person did. 

BTS is mainstream in America. No other group or agency is responsible for that. Will that help other groups become mainstream? Jury's still out. But it certainly will make it easier for anyone wanting to try.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Jikrytae said:

No one's "paved the way" for kpop in America yet. A paved road is useless if no one uses it. BTS fans hyping the success of BTS in America while simultaneously dismissing the rest of kpop is something I keep seeing, and it perplexes me every time. If you want to claim their international success (misleading as it may be), then go head. But it's really hypocritical to claim they're somehow blazing a trail while simultaneously admitting the trail has closed behind them, and that's exactly what this person did. 

after bts' success in the us more and more kpop groups have gotten american interviews, videos, tv appearances etc + friday releases + the social artist chart is now full of kpop groups after bts got awards for it, when before there were none etc. 

other group have much better chances now.

 

[Tarted]

2 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

I don't know why you have so many clown emojis when it's true.

The Hallyu wave started way before BTS. BTS may have taken it to new heights and achieved a level of success that no other group before them had, but many other Kpop groups, including the ones you mentioned (Super Junior, SNSD, 2NE1, Big Bang), laid the foundation for Kpop to be known globally.

Maybe it's because so many BTS fans are younger and newer, but as someone that was a Kpop fan since 2007 when SNSD debuted, I think older Kpop fans have a different point of reference and are able to better contextualize BTS's success with other Kpop groups before them. 

I expected that reaction... Everytime anyone says anything "negative" (it's not even negative tbh) their fans get personally offended somehow

That's exactly what I mean it! Thank you for understanding! 

[A Hamster Named Loneliness]

2 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

I don't know why you have so many clown emojis when it's true.

The Hallyu wave started way before BTS. BTS may have taken it to new heights and achieved a level of success that no other group before them had, but many other Kpop groups, including the ones you mentioned (Super Junior, SNSD, 2NE1, Big Bang), laid the foundation for Kpop to be known globally.

Maybe it's because so many BTS fans are younger and newer, but as someone that was a Kpop fan since 2007 when SNSD debuted, I think older Kpop fans have a different point of reference and are able to better contextualize BTS's success with other Kpop groups before them. 

let's face it, ARMYs will dislike any post that isnt praising BTS to the heavens. My post got 2 clown emotes just because I mentioned that Seo Taiji was technically responsible for kpop's beginnings and paving the way for ALL kpop artists (seriously, do they REALLY think Big Hit Entertainment or any other kpop companies would've been created if Seo Taiji didnt take the first step?) and how kpop wouldnt be where it is today without him, and also for mentioning that different artists/groups also paved their own paths (like BoA for Japan) and that BTS is still kpop and that there's no such thing as BTS-pop. 

Edited December 22, 2020 by A Hamster Named Loneliness

[sakurahanabira]

2 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

I don't know why you have so many clown emojis when it's true.

The Hallyu wave started way before BTS. BTS may have taken it to new heights and achieved a level of success that no other group before them had, but many other Kpop groups, including the ones you mentioned (Super Junior, SNSD, 2NE1, Big Bang), laid the foundation for Kpop to be known globally.

Maybe it's because so many BTS fans are younger and newer, but as someone that was a Kpop fan since 2007 when SNSD debuted, I think older Kpop fans have a different point of reference and are able to better contextualize BTS's success with other Kpop groups before them. 

It's really telling the age of some of these people on this thread that they think BTS invented Kpop when Kpop has been around since the 90s. There's a famous quote by Isaac Newton that goes "If I have seen further, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants," meaning that he was influenced by those before him, and the quote can be greatly applied to Kpop since each generation was previously influenced by the previous generation. And just like every Kpop artist, BTS probably have some veteran K-music artists that they looked up to and were inspired by (Jungkook for example, is most known for being an IU fanboy). 

 

2 hours ago, micropachycephalosaurus said:

after bts' success in the us more and more kpop groups have gotten american interviews, videos, tv appearances etc + friday releases + the social artist chart is now full of kpop groups after bts got awards for it, when before there were none etc. 

other group have much better chances now.

 

you're forgetting that SNSD made a few American TV appearances in 2012-2013 before BTS even debuted. 

[chaiyya]

36 minutes ago, melancholic autumn said:

 

 

you're forgetting that SNSD made a few American TV appearances in 2012-2013 before BTS even debuted. 

THAT NO ONE SAW. And that's the point. They made absolutely zero impact. I'd never heard of them before consuming Korean dramas. No one around me has ever heard their name. And yet these same people know BTS.

Showing up on TV a couple of times does not mean you've entered American consciousness. It means you appeared on TV a couple of times and no one bothered to remember your name.

 

Edited December 22, 2020 by chaiyya

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, melancholic autumn said:

It's really telling the age of some of these people on this thread that they think BTS invented Kpop when Kpop has been around since the 90s. There's a famous quote by Isaac Newton that goes "If I have seen further, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants," meaning that he was influenced by those before him, and the quote can be greatly applied to Kpop since each generation was previously influenced by the previous generation. And just like every Kpop artist, BTS probably have some veteran K-music artists that they looked up to and were inspired by (Jungkook for example, is most known for being an IU fanboy). 

 

you're forgetting that SNSD made a few American TV appearances in 2012-2013 before BTS even debuted. 

no i'm not forgetting  i never said bts was the first kpop group to appear on a us tv-show. i said: "after bts' success more and more kpop groups..." because that happened after bts' success, not in 2012-2013.

Edited December 22, 2020 by Guest

[Guest]

1 hour ago, A Hamster Named Loneliness said:

let's face it, ARMYs will dislike any post that isnt praising BTS to the heavens. My post got 2 clown emotes just because I mentioned that Seo Taiji was technically responsible for kpop's beginnings and paving the way for ALL kpop artists (seriously, do they REALLY think Big Hit Entertainment or any other kpop companies would've been created if Seo Taiji didnt take the first step?) and how kpop wouldnt be where it is today without him, and also for mentioning that different artists/groups also paved their own paths (like BoA for Japan) and that BTS is still kpop and that there's no such thing as BTS-pop. 

lol what, i doubt it was armys who did it since we usually are the only ones who remember seo taiji while others just talk about sm & lee soo man

[chaiyya]

2 minutes ago, micropachycephalosaurus said:

lol what, i doubt it was armys who did it since we usually are the only ones who remember seo taiji while others just talk about sm & lee soo man

How could we forget Seo Taiji when he gave us the legendary 25th Anniversary concert?