[pann-choa] AREN'T YOU BORED OF MALE IDOLS' CONCEPTS?

[Elscian]

8 hours ago, Trashie said:

RTK didn't only have strong concepts

pentagon, The Boyz and Verivery obv did brighter or softer stages but if you look at these stages they are no near strong and dark concepts because they can limit you showing off your talent IMO, and it'd look weak

 

also the way TBZ and verivery have more brighter comebacks than actual dark concepts it's obv the OP is a certain groups fan that want to drag other groups

For rtk, the brighter stages weren't as well executed as the darker ones. Idk which bright concept tbz did, other than the collab which wasn't their strongest.  Verivery, made the mansae remix darker which wasn't appreciated,   Pentagon took away the dancing in their stage etc. But when it was properly executed, which is onf's  rain, it did very well and took the win. That remains onf's most memorable rtk stage.  For soft concepts, tbz shangrila stage was highly appreciated, also considered one of their best. 

I think refreshing concepts don't have to be cute concepts.  But it very often is, and that's something not appreciated in bgs. Idk why tho. 

 

[hynapia]

6 hours ago, Lith said:

But they do, all the time. So many people are complaining about the girl crush concept.. Also you are kind of doing the same thing as them, just with ggs. 

In 2014 a lot of ggs were doing a sexy concept and people complained, in 2015-16 the cute concept was a trend, and once again people complained about it, 2018, 2019, 2020 the girl crush concept is trending and people are pointing it out all the time. For once it's pointed out about bgs and you have someone bringing ggs up..

For once? People have been constantly complaining about "all bgs looking and sounding the same" for a few years already. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy. Many bg concepts are generic and repetitive, yes, but so are many girl group concepts too yet gg stans feel superior all the time (especially in stan twitter) acting as if only bg concepts were repetitive and saying gg concepts are always "superior". Not to mention that like that knetz pointed out, bgs have done fresh/cute concepts or even other type of concepts like mature/elegant/magical many times but they let them flop so idg complaining about that if it's not like they're gonna support them when they release something different to the typical dark/badass.

Edited December 9, 2020 by hynapia

[hynapia]

9 hours ago, Ghosty said:

Smh, their songs have always been bops and From Now remains one of my favorite rookie releases from 2019. But I will say, I think the boys themselves benefited a lot from the new concept change. Nobody really stood out visually other than Kangmin upon debut, and some members unfortunately were even called ugly (which isn't true, but ok). But I think they're really glowing up with this new change. I don't know what it is, probably something as simple as their hair, but they look really good! And I see a lot more people talking about members other than Kangmin's visuals now. 

I agree that their styling has improved a lot but none of them was even ugly to begin with so idk what were those people on.

But my point was that change of styling or not, nobody was paying attention to verivery until they transitioned to something more mature. They started to get some attention with Tagx3 that was a mix of fresh/horror (weird but idk how to describe it) but it wasn't until Lay Back early this year when they got much more people interested. Similar to what happened with Golcha - they didn't kinda "blow up" until Wannabe that was mature/dark compared to their previous fresh/cute concepts.

So idg people complaining about "all bgs recycling the same dark, moody, dramatic concepts". If they actually supported other types of concepts they wouldn't have the need of doing those.

[doki-doki]

IMO they are boring and some of the award performances were really cringe. Other than BTS, no boygroup quite does it for me but I guess it’s down to personal taste. Some people have the opposite perspective and it’s fine. 

[sasha]

interesting. with BTS their most popular singles are DNA, Boy with luv and Dynamite - all cute or refreshing or whatever you want to call it. which is somewhat consistent with the western demand on strong women and soft men. doesn't it mean that's what should be the trend?

[Trashie]

7 hours ago, StanSatan said:

For rtk, the brighter stages weren't as well executed as the darker ones. Idk which bright concept tbz did, other than the collab which wasn't their strongest.  Verivery, made the mansae remix darker which wasn't appreciated,   Pentagon took away the dancing in their stage etc. But when it was properly executed, which is onf's  rain, it did very well and took the win. That remains onf's most memorable rtk stage.  For soft concepts, tbz shangrila stage was highly appreciated, also considered one of their best. 

I think refreshing concepts don't have to be cute concepts.  But it very often is, and that's something not appreciated in bgs. Idk why tho. 

 

I wouldnt say rainisim is a bright song tho. also I think what made ONF win that round and make it REALLY good performance is their arrangement more than anything else\

 

The vixx cover is definitely one of my fav but among public and when you see reactions for it during that time, everyone wasn't as impressed as they did with the previous ones so yeah, the surprising factor is hard to imply in those kind of covers

that's my opinion ofc so yeah

 

[JellyToBe]

20 hours ago, lighterxx said:

but only seventeen did this when we have tons of bgs with other example lol

So the problem is not people not like refreshing concept; the problem is whether the group can do the refreshing concept good enough to attract people.

[JellyToBe]

20 hours ago, hynapia said:

But seventeen is more an exception than the norm. The vast majority of bgs don't go anywhere if they debut with a cute/fresh concept unless they're from a big company like TxT. Groups like Boyfriend during 2nd gen or Golcha/Verivery in this gen didn't start to get attention until they changed to a more mature concept. Even Astro and NCT got much more attention with their more mature concepts than with their early era cute concepts too.

This year Bae173 from mbk/pockedolz debuted with a fresh cute concept too and I barely see anyone talking that much about them either.

Not with the case of NCT. Korean liked NCT Dream.

[Lith]

4 hours ago, hynapia said:

For once? People have been constantly complaining about "all bgs looking and sounding the same" for a few years already. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy. Many bg concepts are generic and repetitive, yes, but so are many girl group concepts too yet gg stans feel superior all the time (especially in stan twitter) acting as if only bg concepts were repetitive and saying gg concepts are always "superior". Not to mention that like that knetz pointed out, bgs have done fresh/cute concepts or even other type of concepts like mature/elegant/magical many times but they let them flop so idg complaining about that if it's not like they're gonna support them when they release something different to the typical dark/badass.

I agree with your last comment, this wasn't what I was talking abot though. I'm just responding to you saying nobody says anything about ggs doing the same concept, yet it's actually pointed out often, to the point I'm surprised you've never seen it. So there is no hypocrisy here, as people are saying they're getting tired of the girl crush concept.

Idk abut twitter, it certanly isn't a place to expect maturity from.

[hynapia]

20 minutes ago, JellyToBe said:

Not with the case of NCT. Korean liked NCT Dream.

But again, NCT is from a Big3 company so they're bound to immediately get attention regardless of the concept like it happened with TxT, but even then Dream is not as popular as 127 especially internationally. And they actually got more fans when they started to do more mature concepts like We Go up, Boom and Ridin.

I'm talking about mid-tier or small company groups. Even knetz are admitting that it's way more difficult to get people's attention debuting with a fresh/cute concept that with the typical dark/mature concept. Seventeen and maybe Astro are basically the only exceptions of smaller company bgs that became decently popular from the start with a fresh concept.

Edited December 9, 2020 by hynapia

[hynapia]

23 minutes ago, Lith said:

I agree with your last comment, this wasn't what I was talking abot though. I'm just responding to you saying nobody says anything about ggs doing the same concept, yet it's actually pointed out often, to the point I'm surprised you've never seen it. So there is no hypocrisy here, as people are saying they're getting tired of the girl crush concept.

Idk abut twitter, it certanly isn't a place to expect maturity from.

Twitter is where 90% of kpop fans are active right now because forums aren't a thing anymore, so twitter opinions are much more accurate of what most kpop fans think, and while ggs are called repetitive too for the teen crush/girl crush concept, since the last 2-3 years I'm seeing bgs being more dragged for "using the same dark and badass concept and noise music" and "being boring and unoriginal compared to ggs", and I get that it's repetitive but what are they supposed to do to get popularity if most people only like that concept? At least ggs can do well in charts with a wide variety of concepts (ie: Twice, BP, RV, Mamamoo, Izone, G-idle, A Pink, etc all have different concepts and the public like it) but bgs that mostly have to rely on fandom power usually don't go anywhere if they debut with a fresh/cute concept unless they're from a big company like the Big3 or Big Hit (and that has to do with the company name, not even with the concept). And even then, compare NCT, SKZ or ATEEZ international fandom and hype with TxT. Those 3 are clearly more hyped by kpop fans because they have the typical "badass" concept with heavy EDM music.

Edited December 9, 2020 by hynapia

[Elscian]

5 hours ago, Trashie said:

I wouldnt say rainisim is a bright song tho. also I think what made ONF win that round and make it REALLY good performance is their arrangement more than anything else\

 

The vixx cover is definitely one of my fav but among public and when you see reactions for it during that time, everyone wasn't as impressed as they did with the previous ones so yeah, the surprising factor is hard to imply in those kind of covers

that's my opinion ofc so yeah

 

It's raining the original song isn't bright but onf turned it into one. So the bright song thing worked out for them,  unlike the mansae arrangement which was the usual edm track people are arguing about here.   

Tbz did the best performance wise but at that point of rtk, people were yearning for a good bright song. Even in the OH thread lol, weren't we all complaining? Shangrila cover was still on the emotional/dark side sound-wise, while onf went fun and upbeat so they stood out and ended up winning the round. 

I see a lot of similarity in the rtk situation with the current bg situation. Rookie bgs don't want to do bright concepts and understandably so. Until a seventeen comes along who does it with a banger and does it right. Wannaone's energetic is also a good example of a bright song without the cuteness as I mentioned earlier. 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by StanSatan

[lighterxx]

6 hours ago, JellyToBe said:

So the problem is not people not like refreshing concept; the problem is whether the group can do the refreshing concept good enough to attract people.

In a way, yes. From the very start seventeen was praised for their lyrics for example, it's still pretty rare to hear as good lyrics as they write. I guess mixture here is some groups write cute lyrics others refreshing, but since they are compared to svt they fall a bit short unintentionally rip

[lighterxx]

3 hours ago, StanSatan said:

So the bright song thing worked out for them,  unlike the mansae arrangement which was the usual edm track people are arguing about here.   

It was attrocious rip

[gokigen]

This is why imo ggs are more fun, they have more variety of concepts that they can do and more versatility

[namidaone]

even Seventeen have borderline noisepop songs and/or songs with badass concept like Fear,  Hit, Fearless and 24H as the most recent examples.  
And none of those songs/performances are boring at all.  

So the knetz using Seventeen as an example are prolly either trolls or casual stans who only listened to their Special album. 

[CandyCane23049]

10 hours ago, gokigen said:

This is why imo ggs are more fun, they have more variety of concepts that they can do and more versatility

That's not true, people just have to give boy groups more chances or stop just looking at title tracks and thinking that all their music is that particular style.

[Guest]

wow....just wow. this post is so stupid I dont even know what to write. literally zero knowledge on the topic, and of course it gets applause from other ignorant people.

[hynapia]

2 hours ago, CandyCane23049 said:

That's not true, people just have to give boy groups more chances or stop just looking at title tracks and thinking that all their music is that particular style.

Some people got mad when I said that ggs aren't necessarily more versatile but it's true. Girl crush/teen crush for ggs is basically the equivalent of dark/badass concept for bgs, both are overused because it's what people (especially international fans) prefer the most. But at the end both bgs and ggs have a wide variety of concepts. The only issue is that ggs with cute/refreshing/quirky concepts are much more accepted while bgs with these concepts are usually paid dust unless they come from a big company or are a top established group like BTS, so if they don't get any attention with cute/fresh concepts it's logical they change to attract more people like Verivery or Golcha did.

Edited December 11, 2020 by hynapia

[ceylanjmorgan]

Somehow yes, the market is super saturated but I also got to say that the MAMA stages were pretty similar. Nothing really special for a show like that.

[bumpbumplove]

My boy did, but does anyone even know this song exists? 

[meonji]

the "they did and no one paid attention" but do (the korean general public) pay attention to dark concepts? i don't think so...

i guess strong concepts attract more fans, these boy groups are going to award shows not because of digitals but physical sales (= bigger fandoms)

so... maybe it's more about what boy group stans like than what the gp like

 

[Punchy]

A lot of GG stans talking out of their asses ITT. The last time we've had a conceptually diverse girl group was really T-ara.