[pann-choa] AREN'T YOU BORED OF MALE IDOLS' CONCEPTS?

[lighterxx]

1 hour ago, JellyToBe said:

I don't agree with the last comment.

Didn't seventeen got popular with their refreshing concept?

but only seventeen did this when we have tons of bgs with other example lol

[hynapia]

3 hours ago, bye-bye said:

5. [+189, -5]

A refreshing concept sounds nice but just try doing it without a fandom. Nobody will listen to it... You're asking why there are no refreshing concepts? Just watch the music shows. So many people are doing it but they are all failing, that's why. Look at the concepts of all the kids who are doing well right now. They all failed when doing refreshing concepts and ended up going for something different. Only idols who are already doing well are doing refreshing concepts. Male idols don't have the demand for diverse concepts like female idols do

 

This person is the only one using logic. BTS, Seventeen and TxT can be successful with fresh/cute concepts because they're well established and have big fandoms but mid-tier or rookie boygroups that try a fresh/cute concept usually flop. Verivery literally had to change to the typical dark/mature concept to get some attention, same with Golcha or even Astro. They didn't start to get more attention until they changed to a more mature concept.

There's been quite a few fresh concepts this year but mostly from underrated and rookies. For example:

 

So it's not like boygroups don't have variety but they don't have any choice if people dgaf about these concepts in general despite whining and complaining all the time about dark concepts.

Edited December 8, 2020 by hynapia

[Aphrodisiac]

This is why I stan girl groups more

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, satoori said:

"So I wasn't the only one who felt that way. I'm a fan of girl groups but I definitely feel the same."

this whole k-post screams GG stans being loud tbh

because the lack of knowledge about BGs is clear as water

perhaps the k-OP is upset their gg favs were not invited or something(?) idk

Idk why you get negged when you only said the truth. GG stans are always loud about BGs having dark concepts but nobody says anything about 90% of ggs using the same teen crush/girl crush concept either minus a few exceptions like A Pink, Lovelyz, RV, OMG, April, WJSN, Izone, etc that do softer or quirky/magical concepts.

Not to mention like one comment said, many bgs have done fresh concepts many times but got paid dust.

Edited December 8, 2020 by hynapia

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, JellyToBe said:

I don't agree with the last comment.

Didn't seventeen got popular with their refreshing concept?

But seventeen is more an exception than the norm. The vast majority of bgs don't go anywhere if they debut with a cute/fresh concept unless they're from a big company like TxT. Groups like Boyfriend during 2nd gen or Golcha/Verivery in this gen didn't start to get attention until they changed to a more mature concept. Even Astro and NCT got much more attention with their more mature concepts than with their early era cute concepts too.

This year Bae173 from mbk/pockedolz debuted with a fresh cute concept too and I barely see anyone talking that much about them either.

Edited December 8, 2020 by hynapia

[namidaone]

Tg Seventeen was exempted I was abt to tell knetz to have their eyes checked if they did.  
Also my other faves JO1 may have been wearing scarlet+dark outfits when they were performing MAMA but their song and image concept for their 2nd song isn't dark at all.
Shine a Light is about how friendship shines a light in the darkest recesses of the heart.  
(Skip to 3:30) 

Looking at how JO1 are smiling and singing joyfully can soothe your heart. 

Edited December 8, 2020 by namidaone

[felidae]

Male idols don't have the demand for diverse concepts like female idols do

 

Well.....true. People only like to whine, but when served they ignored it. Don't be like that.....

[Gerimolda]

24 minutes ago, hynapia said:

90% of ggs using the same teen crush/girl crush concept either minus a few exceptions like A Pink, Lovelyz, RV, OMG, April, WJSN, Izone, etc that do softer or quirky/magical concepts.

1. RV's Velvet side is really similar to girl crush, especially Bad Boy and RBB.

Aaand Mamamoo isn't doing girl crush either.

[Ghosty]

I just realized I stan boy groups who are more in between. I wouldn't say Astro and SF9 are dark concepts since Astro has a lot of melancholy elements to their songs. It's just the setting of their music videos, but their outfits are so bright, lol. The only one I can say that is pretty dark is Blue Flame from them. 

I think a lot more boy groups should lean into the gentleman style like SF9's Good Guy. Doesn't hurt to see more men in suits. I don't mind dark concepts as long as the song isn't your typical... *bass drop* *pots and pans noises* Which is why Kim Wooseok, Lee Eunsang, and EN- absolutely ate up boy groups this year. It was perfect, ugh.

 

 

[juu]

there are tons of bgs with different concepts, gg stans just don't even check them out but then use it as a stale excuse to why they don't follow bgs

 

 

 

[deliriousness]

It’s been like this since 2012

imagine how tired we are

[sparks]

Idk why these knetz never realized how many bgs that have done non-dark, non-heavy, non-hardhitting concepts never really got their breakthrough. This has been going on since 2nd gen especially groups like boyfriend and teen top didn't make it big. While 2pm and b2st with manly, dark and heavy concepts were popular and trendy. Shinee is like the only exception with refreshing concepts that never really bother to change to heavy dark concepts, never followed trends and they still remain successful with what they do from debut - replay, llo, juliet, sherlock, dg, view, mmtm, 1of1, good evening, etc. Their case is rare. But even then, lucifer which was probably the closest to dark concept they ever done, that one was the most popular cb for international fans which was the turning for them to get more fans from outside korea, so that says alot about international fans' reception towards dark concepts that ultimately help boygroups increase fanbase and physical sales. That song got them big attention in korea too.

[Punchy]

They don't have new vixx concepts to rip off, that's why.

[BAZISSINO]

this is what happen when you miss EXO

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, Gerimolda said:

1. RV's Velvet side is really similar to girl crush, especially Bad Boy and RBB.

Aaand Mamamoo isn't doing girl crush either.

RV's Velvet side has a wide variety of concepts though. Some like RBB are girl crush but others are sultry/sensual like Be Natural, Bad Boy (I don't consider it girl crush tbh) or Psycho. Or even quirky/creepy like Peek-a-boo.

Mamamoo sometimes kinda lean more towards girl crush in the sense that they have this strong, sexy and fierce image but they're not classic "badass" girl crush like BP, Everglow and Itzy. Plus they've had fun/quirky concepts too.

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, Ghosty said:

I just realized I stan boy groups who are more in between. I wouldn't say Astro and SF9 are dark concepts since Astro has a lot of melancholy elements to their songs. It's just the setting of their music videos, but their outfits are so bright, lol. The only one I can say that is pretty dark is Blue Flame from them. 

I think a lot more boy groups should lean into the gentleman style like SF9's Good Guy. Doesn't hurt to see more men in suits. I don't mind dark concepts as long as the song isn't your typical... *bass drop* *pots and pans noises* Which is why Kim Wooseok, Lee Eunsang, and EN- absolutely ate up boy groups this year. It was perfect, ugh.

 

 

Totally agree with this. There's some bgs and male artists that do mature concepts but not necessarily dark. Like you said SF9's Good Guy was a mature, gentleman-y concept but not "dark" or "badass". Enhypen's debut was dark fantasy but with a softer sound and elegant aesthetic. There's also E'Last that has a classy, almost fairytale-ish aesthetic but nobody checked them out either because their company is super nugu.

There's also Drippin and Wei that idk how to describe but it's definitely not typically dark/badass either.

There was actually a WIDE variety of bg concepts this year but people must think that everything that's not in your face bubbly and colorful is automatically dark/badass a la Stray Kids/ATEEZ/NCT.

Edited December 9, 2020 by hynapia

[SLY]

Stan Golden Child

 

[panqueque]

It's all about trends, before this everyone was doing tropical songs/concepts, before that it was hip hop yolo thing (don't you remember, BAP, BTS, even BTOB, EXO, GOT7 and Boyfriend did some hiphop comeback around that time), and so on. If you try to go different is really a hit or miss. 

[SLY]

Verivery also did one the most fun and fresh Road to Kingdom performance/original song but no one paid attention lol

 

[Trashie]

RTK didn't only have strong concepts

pentagon, The Boyz and Verivery obv did brighter or softer stages but if you look at these stages they are no near strong and dark concepts because they can limit you showing off your talent IMO, and it'd look weak

 

also the way TBZ and verivery have more brighter comebacks than actual dark concepts it's obv the OP is a certain groups fan that want to drag other groups

[hynapia]

27 minutes ago, SLY said:

Verivery also did one the most fun and fresh Road to Kingdom performance/original song but no one paid attention lol

 

Verivery is precisely one of the groups that had to change their concept because nobody was paying attention to them until they released Lay Back. And it's a pity because their debut was a total retro bop.

Oneus literally debuted the same day and they got much more attention precisely because their concept and sound was more fierce and dark-ish.

[CandyCane23049]

GOT7 has given people that as well but nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As well as Look and Lullaby.

Just a couple weeks ago

 

Also, songs like You Calling My Name, Not by the Moon, or Last Piece should be considered dark. Not even Eclipse should be considered dark. 

 

 

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by CandyCane23049

[clevercactus]

7 hours ago, Hizu said:

I don't agree at all though. I don't follow many boy groups, but didn't NCT also had many different concepts this year? If anything, I feel like there are many girl groups who sound very similar lately. I was listening to a gg playlist and thought it was from the same group until the very end, it was all the same style of music, loud, kinda noisy, and even if you look at the concept it's bold colours, badass girl crush. But it's not like it's a new thing.
Kpop groups follow trends, like when they all used to do cute concepts, then sexy concepts, now it's badass girl crush concept. It works the same for guys, but it's not like the guys are more similar to each other than the girls. I think it's the same.

same.

I feel like this year NCT has come up with so many different concepts. From the tough Kick it, to the boyish 90s love, whimsical Make a wish and the super dandy Work it. 

[Ghosty]

4 hours ago, hynapia said:

Verivery is precisely one of the groups that had to change their concept because nobody was paying attention to them until they released Lay Back. And it's a pity because their debut was a total retro bop.

Oneus literally debuted the same day and they got much more attention precisely because their concept and sound was more fierce and dark-ish.

Smh, their songs have always been bops and From Now remains one of my favorite rookie releases from 2019. But I will say, I think the boys themselves benefited a lot from the new concept change. Nobody really stood out visually other than Kangmin upon debut, and some members unfortunately were even called ugly (which isn't true, but ok). But I think they're really glowing up with this new change. I don't know what it is, probably something as simple as their hair, but they look really good! And I see a lot more people talking about members other than Kangmin's visuals now. 

[Lith]

9 hours ago, hynapia said:

Idk why you get negged when you only said the truth. GG stans are always loud about BGs having dark concepts but nobody says anything about 90% of ggs using the same teen crush/girl crush concept either minus a few exceptions like A Pink, Lovelyz, RV, OMG, April, WJSN, Izone, etc that do softer or quirky/magical concepts.

Not to mention like one comment said, many bgs have done fresh concepts many times but got paid dust.

But they do, all the time. So many people are complaining about the girl crush concept.. Also you are kind of doing the same thing as them, just with ggs. 

In 2014 a lot of ggs were doing a sexy concept and people complained, in 2015-16 the cute concept was a trend, and once again people complained about it, 2018, 2019, 2020 the girl crush concept is trending and people are pointing it out all the time. For once it's pointed out about bgs and you have someone bringing ggs up..