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Senate Confirms Amy Coney Barrett to Supreme Court


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The US Senate confirms Amy Coney Barrett as an Associate Justice on the US Supreme Court by a vote of 52-48. 

From Fox News: 

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The Senate voted 52-48 on Monday night to confirm Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court in a move that makes the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals judge and Notre Dame law professor the third appointment to the high court by President Trump, solidifying his administration's legacy even further just a week before Election Day as he seeks a second term. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-amy-coney-barrett-vote

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Congratulations.

Yes, on paper — Congress did their job.

But the Constitution also gives Congress the power to do other things,

Just remember this moment in four months, and think back to the soon to be Minority Leader McConnell lecturing President Obama on not approving a SCOTUS vacancy in an election year.

Payback is a bitch. 

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10 minutes ago, Shalnark said:

I'm not american and I have no idea about american politician, is this bad?

Really really basic version is that this potentially leans the Supreme Court, one if the most powerful entities in the States, to be more conservative. Now, they are supposed to be somewhat neutral but both sides have leanings that’s are either liberal or conservative with some of them moderate on some issues. 
 

Im not familiar with how ACB is on every issue, though I believe she’s pretty conservative in issues like abortion. Potentially, this could lead to Roe vs. Wade being overturned and abortion illegal again, but that’s one possible outcome and only one issue.

The thing with all this is Supreme Court appointees are there for life.

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9 hours ago, Shalnark said:

I'm not american and I have no idea about american politician, is this bad?

ACB is really highly qualified and by all accounts a very brilliant legal scholar. She's pledged to be an impartial judge who decides cases not on her own personal views/religion, but on the text of the Constitution. By all means, that sounds like a great choice for the Supreme Court. 

Her confirmation was a bit controversial because Republicans denied Obama's appointee in 2016 a hearing because they said the voters should decide in the election. Obama nominated Garland in February. The election was in November, so there was plenty of time, but the Senate is the body of Congress to vote on confirming Supreme Court justices, and the Senate was Republican, and Obama was a Democrat, so basically the Senate played politics and kept Obama's appointee from being nominated. Fast forward four years and RGB unfortunately passed away and the same Republican senate pushed through Trump's appointee very quickly, which made the left understandably mad. 

All that said ,some on the left have taken this as an excuse to bash ACB for her religion, etc. when there's no evidence to suggest that she's going to decide cases based on her religious leanings. She served as a clerk under a previous Supreme Court justice and has been widely praised as a Constitutional scholar who had bipartisan support when she was confirmed to a lower court. 

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11 hours ago, sergel said:

Really really basic version is that this potentially leans the Supreme Court, one if the most powerful entities in the States, to be more conservative. Now, they are supposed to be somewhat neutral but both sides have leanings that’s are either liberal or conservative with some of them moderate on some issues. 
 

Im not familiar with how ACB is on every issue, though I believe she’s pretty conservative in issues like abortion. Potentially, this could lead to Roe vs. Wade being overturned and abortion illegal again, but that’s one possible outcome and only one issue.

The thing with all this is Supreme Court appointees are there for life.

Good comment.

There is a little secret in the justice system though. Roe v. Wade can be overturned, and still not affect abortion rights in the slightest. That’s because the basis for abortion laws it’s now taken to be Planned Parenthood v. Casey. If that’s overturned, then there’s going to be issues for the pro-choice supporters, but the truth is most people don’t know about its existence or importance to make a move on it. That’s why threatening or promising (depending on your POV) to overturn Roe v. Wade scores political points, but does nothing in effect. Justices know this, it’s even mentioned in introductory law classes so it’s not some obscure thing for them, the fact they still refer it to as Roe v. Wade instead of Planned Parenthood v. Casey shows they are playing for political points too. 

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4 hours ago, Solfa said:

Good comment.

There is a little secret in the justice system though. Roe v. Wade can be overturned, and still not affect abortion rights in the slightest. That’s because the basis for abortion laws it’s now taken to be Planned Parenthood v. Casey. If that’s overturned, then there’s going to be issues for the pro-choice supporters, but the truth is most people don’t know about its existence or importance to make a move on it. That’s why threatening or promising (depending on your POV) to overturn Roe v. Wade scores political points, but does nothing in effect. Justices know this, it’s even mentioned in introductory law classes so it’s not some obscure thing for them, the fact they still refer it to as Roe v. Wade instead of Planned Parenthood v. Casey shows they are playing for political points too. 

Hmm didn’t know that, that’s good to know! It certainly feels like a game.

We will see how she does. From what others have said, she tends to follow the law very strictly. Not an issue if there are laws but many other issues don’t have as much legal backing.

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On 10/26/2020 at 11:16 PM, Shalnark said:

I'm not american and I have no idea about american politician, is this bad?

She's a weird ultra-conservative cultist, so yes, it's very bad. And I don't mean that in the wider "The Republican Party has turned into a cult" sense. I mean she's literally a member of a religious cult.

10 hours ago, sergel said:

Hmm didn’t know that, that’s good to know! It certainly feels like a game.

We will see how she does. From what others have said, she tends to follow the law very strictly. Not an issue if there are laws but many other issues don’t have as much legal backing.

One of the Supreme Court's biggest responsibilities is to essentially create laws where necessary, based on the Constitution and any other previous precedent. The problem is, there's really no one to stop them from just deciding however they please once they're on the bench. They can only be vetoed by a majority vote of their fellow justices, and a majority of the justices are now conservatives, who've shown a penchant for completely ignoring the Constitution's authority. 

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11 hours ago, Jikrytae said:

She's a weird ultra-conservative cultist, so yes, it's very bad. And I don't mean that in the wider "The Republican Party has turned into a cult" sense. I mean she's literally a member of a religious cult.

One of the Supreme Court's biggest responsibilities is to essentially create laws where necessary, based on the Constitution and any other previous precedent. The problem is, there's really no one to stop them from just deciding however they please once they're on the bench. They can only be vetoed by a majority vote of their fellow justices, and a majority of the justices are now conservatives, who've shown a penchant for completely ignoring the Constitution's authority. 

The job of the judiciary is not to create laws. That's the job of the legislative branch. 

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5 hours ago, KoreaxxLove said:

The job of the judiciary is not to create laws. That's the job of the legislative branch. 

As usual, you have trouble grasping basic concepts such as precedent. What do you think happens when a case goes before the Supreme Court and a judgment is made? Do you think everything stays the same as before, just because they aren't part of the legislative branch? If there's already a concrete law for everything, why do we even need the Supreme Court to decide anything? Why not just remind everyone of the law and tell them to be on their merry way without the need for a court case? I guess Supreme Court judgments never led to the legalization of abortion or gay marriage, so you conservatives can just stop worrying about those. They aren't real laws, right? 🤦‍♂️

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34 minutes ago, Jikrytae said:

As usual, you have trouble grasping basic concepts such as precedent. What do you think happens when a case goes before the Supreme Court and a judgment is made? Do you think everything stays the same as before, just because they aren't part of the legislative branch? If there's already a concrete law for everything, why do we even need the Supreme Court to decide anything? Why not just remind everyone of the law and tell them to be on their merry way without the need for a court case? I guess Supreme Court judgments never led to the legalization of abortion or gay marriage, so you conservatives can just stop worrying about those. They aren't real laws, right? 🤦‍♂️

Lol, I understand precedent. That's not the same thing as creating laws. The Supreme Court decides if laws are constitutional. It doesn't create laws. 

The Supreme Court never created a law legalizing gay marriage or abortion. I'm gay and married, so I'm more than happy they ruled that we have the right to marry, but they didn't create a law to do so. 

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31 minutes ago, KoreaxxLove said:

Lol, I understand precedent. That's not the same thing as creating laws. The Supreme Court decides if laws are constitutional. It doesn't create laws. 

The Supreme Court never created a law legalizing gay marriage or abortion. I'm gay and married, so I'm more than happy they ruled that we have the right to marry, but they didn't create a law to do so. 

You're grasping at straws. Those laws never would have gone into effect without the Supreme Court deciding they should. But it's nice to know you're able to take one of their past decisions for granted while most people on your side of the political aisle would love nothing more than to see it overturned and your rights denied. 

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12 hours ago, Jikrytae said:

You're grasping at straws. Those laws never would have gone into effect without the Supreme Court deciding they should. But it's nice to know you're able to take one of their past decisions for granted while most people on your side of the political aisle would love nothing more than to see it overturned and your rights denied. 

I'm not grasping at straws. I'm literally telling you how the system works. It's your failure to understand basic civics that the legislative branch creates laws and the judiciary either upholds or doesn't uphold them based on the Constitution and past precedent. 

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Just now, KoreaxxLove said:

I'm not grasping at straws. I'm literally telling you how the system works. It's your failure to understand basic civics that the legislative branch creates laws and the judiciary either upholds or doesn't uphold them based on the Constitution and past precedent. 

Nice deflection. 

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11 hours ago, Jikrytae said:

You know what I said, regardless of whether you choose to face it or ignore it at your own convenience. That's all that matters.

I know that I didn't deflect from anything and know that you know I didn't and that's why you can't be specific. 

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