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Is it fair to say that SM is better at boy groups and male artists than girl groups and female artists?


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Many of SM female groups either failed or were completely ignored, while almost all SM boy groups are legends or a commercial success.

Male Groups and artists

H.O.T. - legend

Shinhwa - legend

Fly to the Sky - commercial succes

Blackbeat - moderately okay

TVXQ - legend

Traxx - flop then ignored

Super Junior  - legend

Shinee - legend (don't @ me)

Exo - legend (don't @ me again)

NCT - Getting there

Female groups and artists

S.E.S. - legend

BoA - legend

Jang Nara - flopped in SM but found success after

M.I.L.K. - flop

Sugar - okay then ignored

Shinvi - even bigger flop

Isak n Jiyeon - biggest flop

CSJH - did okay then was ignored

Zhang Li Yin - ignored

Girls Generation - LEGEND

J-min - ignored

F(x) - deserved better 

Red Velvet - commercial success.

I bet half of you don't even know a lot of the females on the list or have even listened to one of their songs. SM entertainment is sexist and F(x) deserved better. I hope the new girl group won't be left in the dust. They like to call themselves the pioneers of korean pop culture but looking at the list it's sad for the female artists under SM. SM is really lucky they have S.E.S. BoA and SNSD because they struck gold. The only three female acts to fully be able to call themselves legends in kpop.

 

 

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I think it's because they have a type for male idols, but don't have a type for female idols

I can guess their male idols, but female idols don't have a type despite all of them being gorgeous

I think because of this, they stumble upon idols they themselves created but have no idea what would work for them

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I think their problem is that they give up on their female artists too easily and push them into doing acting, commercials and other solo work rather than continue to develop their groups and sound

with their boys its like the complete opposite and they don't know when to quit and they don't know when to let them do solo work lmao

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is it even fair to label TraxX as a decent success when they only released six singles (not counting sm station and japanese releases) and they've all been released sporadically. like. two in 2004, one in 2006, two in 2010, one in 2011, and one in 2016. even though they're a band, i'd put them as flop and ignored.

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16 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

is it even fair to label TraxX as a decent success when they only released six singles (not counting sm station and japanese releases) and they've all been released sporadically. like. two in 2004, one in 2006, two in 2010, one in 2011, and one in 2016. even though they're a band, i'd put them as flop and ignored.

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Yeah kinda, just like JYP is the opposite. All their ggs are legendary/big commercial success but the only bg that had big impact with the public was 2PM (even tho GOT7 and SKZ do really well fandom-wise).

Not all companies can manage both bgs and ggs equally well but in SM's case I also think that they indeed give up in their female groups too soon. I mean, f(x) was as successful as SHINee (I'd say they even had bigger hits) but after 4 walls they literally dropped them. Even SNSD (aka, the nation gg) was super badly promoted in their 10th anniversary. I'm actually surprised RV is in their 6th year and still so strong. Usually they would've given up on them by now.

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2 hours ago, blossoms said:

I think their problem is that they give up on their female artists too easily and push them into doing acting, commercials and other solo work rather than continue to develop their groups and sound

with their boys its like the complete opposite and they don't know when to quit and they don't know when to let them do solo work lmao

Yeah I've always felt that they don't have much faith in the success of their girl groups (relatively comparing to their attitude with their boy groups)

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Yes. They've always had a top 2 boy group (HOT -> TVXQ -> SuJu? -> EXO) so yeah. For female artists it's "only" SES, BoA and SNSD who were top 2 at their time. You could maybe argue that RV and SuJu are/were the third most popular group.

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30 minutes ago, hynapia said:

I'm actually surprised RV is in their 6th year and still so strong. Usually they would've given up on them by now.

I would wait to see how they do after a comeback with Wendy... After almost a year of hiatus and only a Seulrene subunit I don't know how their next OT5 release will perform, especially regarding the choreography.

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7 minutes ago, Gerimolda said:

I would wait to see how they do after a comeback with Wendy... After almost a year of hiatus and only a Seulrene subunit I don't know how their next OT5 release will perform, especially regarding the choreography.

Seulrene subunit did quite well for a subunit indeed. If I'm not mistaken it sold +200k and charted pretty well so a OT5 comeback especially after a hiatus is definitely gonna get a lot of attention and if they song is good I wouldn't be surprised if they have another smash hit like Psycho.

The thing is that SM is capable to have successful and long lasting ggs if they actually put effort like they have been doing with RV.

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3 hours ago, blossoms said:

I think their problem is that they give up on their female artists too easily and push them into doing acting, commercials and other solo work rather than continue to develop their groups and sound

with their boys its like the complete opposite and they don't know when to quit and they don't know when to let them do solo work lmao

 

1 hour ago, Your Biggest Fan said:

I think part of the problem as well is getting a strong fanbase for their girl groups. Male fans are quite fickle while female fans are ride or die. There's a reason why they're focusing on marketing groups to women lately.

 

 

If SM could work their female idols like a mule the way they do their male idols they would. However traditionally it's hard to do so because GG fanbase are not loyal - male fans are fickle and jumped from group to group quick. Therefor SM don't really have much of a choice but to start pushing their female idols in other areas if they want to keep making money off of them. I agree in the last few years it seems SM and other companies have been trying to target more young female fans too.

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1 hour ago, hynapia said:

Yeah kinda, just like JYP is the opposite. All their ggs are legendary/big commercial success but the only bg that had big impact with the public was 2PM (even tho GOT7 and SKZ do really well fandom-wise).

adding on:

Male artists/groups
Park Jinyoung - legend
g.o.d - legends
noel - decent success, but overall flop careerwise
rain - legend
san e - commercial success
g. soul - flop/underrated
2PM - legends
2AM - commercial success
Got7 - commercial success [fandom driven]
Day 6 - decent/underrated
Stray Kids - rising rookies. most likely will at least have commercial success with their fandom
 

Female artists/groups
Jinju/Pearl - commercial success (in korea)
Park Jiyoon - legend (in korea)
Byul - overall flopped (did a bit better after leaving jyp)
J.lim (Lim Jeong-hee) - overall flop
JOO - overall flop
Wonder Girls - legends
Miss A - commercial success [Suzy - Legend]
Twice - legends
Baek a yeon - underrated
15& - overall flopped [Baek Yerim doing better after leaving JYP]
ITZY - commercial success on their way to becoming legends
 

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19 minutes ago, satoori said:

adding on:

Male artists/groups
Park Jinyoung - legend
g.o.d - legends
noel - decent success, but overall flop careerwise
rain - legend
san e - commercial success
g. soul - flop/underrated
2PM - legends
2AM - commercial success
Got7 - commercial success [fandom driven]
Day 6 - decent/underrated
Stray Kids - rising rookies. most likely will at least have commercial success with their fandom
 

Female artists/groups
Jinju/Pearl - commercial success (in korea)
Park Jiyoon - legend (in korea)
Byul - overall flopped (did a bit better after leaving jyp)
J.lim (Lim Jeong-hee) - overall flop
JOO - overall flop
Wonder Girls - legends
Miss A - commercial success [Suzy - Legend]
Twice - legends
Baek a yeon - underrated
15& - overall flopped [Baek Yerim doing better after leaving JYP]
ITZY - commercial success on their way to becoming legends
 

Omg I didn't know they've had all those solos, both female and male. I was mostly referring to idol groups only and in that sense WG, Miss A, Twice and ITZY were all successful, with public recognition and big digital hits, while for bgs only g.o.d and 2PM had actual impact with the public and hits. GOT7 is definitely commercial success tho, and I'd even put SKZ in that category too because their last album has sold over 300k and they've charted well in sites like Genie and Bugs.

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23 minutes ago, hynapia said:

Omg I didn't know they've had all those solos, both female and male. I was mostly referring to idol groups only and in that sense WG, Miss A, Twice and ITZY were all successful, with public recognition and big digital hits, while for bgs only g.o.d and 2PM had actual impact with the public and hits. GOT7 is definitely commercial success tho, and I'd even put SKZ in that category too because their last album has sold over 300k and they've charted well in sites like Genie and Bugs.

Lol yea I didn't either. But overall what you said is still true. 

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Because SM had SNSD and fx (they deserved better) people forget that their other girl groups didn't/haven't done as well. I have to admit they are so much better at producing and marketing boy groups.

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2 hours ago, abra said:

Yes. They've always had a top 2 boy group (HOT -> TVXQ -> SuJu? -> EXO) so yeah. For female artists it's "only" SES, BoA and SNSD who were top 2 at their time. You could maybe argue that RV and SuJu are/were the third most popular group.

Yes suju was third in their time because big bang and tvxq, but they're still legendary. Sold out shows, llus the first to break through in china and many more things.

3 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

Hwanhee is a vocal legend still make idols shake when tthey're in his presence , even as a duo they had iconic songs known by the general public so 

I absolutely love his voice so much.

19 minutes ago, rosiecon said:

Because SM had SNSD and fx (they deserved better) people forget that their other girl groups didn't/haven't done as well. I have to admit they are so much better at producing and marketing boy groups.

Yeah, Girls generation kind of eclilses all their other failed girl groups.

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