Is the Woojin hate Toxic?

[Corysilk]

I may be behind in terms of current updates, but from my knowledge he's being cancelled for anonymous twitter accusations and its weird af.  Like has the victim come out on her real page yet or provided any validity to her claims?  Why isn't this being treated like a random troll situation like it would be with other idols?  I'm not saying he's innocent, but if all it takes to cancel someone is an anonymous account making a salacious post and delete then 3/4ths of the industry should be cancelled by now.

 

Also why are people so outraged by his response?  If he truly didn't do it then of course he's gonna roll his eyes at some troll trying to end his career, and of course he's gonna promote his music to prove that they aren't stopping him. People are saying that his "apology" was insensitive and I'm just like how tf did you interpret his post as an "apology"??

Edited September 8, 2020 by Corysilk

[satoori]

The ENTIRE situation is messy. 

 

IF he's guilty then fine. He deserves everything coming at him and more.

 

BUT IF he's innocent, this is abosulty bat sh*t crazy. How this situation has blown up due to anonymous stan twitter. And everyone is following like sheep plus analyzing every little detail trying to push the guilty narrative even more.

[puellarum generatio]

That's why I pretty much ignored it. What are we supposed to do with accusations from some anonymous twitter account ? From a victim's point of view I understand but we can't reasonably trust that sort of things.

[Moon Jellyfish]

Considering he made a fake account to pass off as his 'new company' and to defend himself, I'm not sure he's really trust worthy. 

Edited September 8, 2020 by Moon Jellyfish

[Corysilk]

4 minutes ago, Moon Jellyfish said:

Considering he made a fake account to pass off as his 'new company' and to defend himself, I'm not sure he's really trust worthy. 

Is this real or is it just lies being piled on for entertainment?  They are also saying that he has a child and that his ex girlfriend came forward to say she was a victim, but none of it turned out to be true (or at least it hasn't come out as true yet).

[Moon Jellyfish]

8 minutes ago, Corysilk said:

Is this real or is it just lies being piled on for entertainment?  They are also saying that he has a child and that his ex girlfriend came forward to say she was a victim, but none of it turned out to be true (or at least it hasn't come out as true yet).

Considering Woojin's official SNS accounts were following that fake company, I'd say he at the very least is connected to that somehow.

 

As for the other stuff. That is rightfully hearsay atm and I dont think that has been addressed by him at this point either unless I missed it. While I kinda get whole people wanna tread on neutral territory given certain situations, his credibility is still quite shaky to me l.

[Corysilk]

25 minutes ago, Moon Jellyfish said:

Considering Woojin's official SNS accounts were following that fake company, I'd say he at the very least is connected to that somehow.

 

As for the other stuff. That is rightfully hearsay atm and I dont think that has been addressed by him at this point either unless I missed it. While I kinda get whole people wanna tread on neutral territory given certain situations, his credibility is still quite shaky to me l.

Thanks for the background info.  I finally decided to look it up and while the business situation does look sketchy, its not impossible that he's just signed to a crappy label that just recently  found it necessary to start an online presence in order to defend their artist.  The only way to truly know would be to check out when (or if) the company was registered as a business.  I just saw that the accuser got her account back so hopefully charges can be filed on both sides and things can be sorted out with the help of the law. 

[angy]

Uh the claims might be false, but he ain't a saint either way, people aren't believing this just because  dude left out of nowhere right before a comeback with no explanation, the group had to record everything again, adjust the choreo, etc. Then months later you have the leader shading him saying that he betrayed the team, was selfish and made a lot of mistakes, while dude just appears to tell his 28 fans to support his solo  dude was straight kicked out of the company on bad terms with the members. Even if it's not this, what was it? Drugs, bullying? He's an irresponsible mess that fucked his team over at the very least tsk tsk

The letter was basically him calling the whole thing 'weird rumors' and deflecting, telling fans he's a nice boi and to anticipate his solo debut on his fake company created in 5 minutes uhhhhh bruh, let's just say that 2020 is also a bad year for him

[Neopoli]

i was on the fence until the fake company now I've hopped off the fence entirely. The 'company' has a stolen name and logo

I suggest you look into it. this shit is NUTS

[hynapia]

21 minutes ago, Angy said:

Uh the claims might be false, but he ain't a saint either way, people aren't believing this just because  dude left out of nowhere right before a comeback with no explanation, the group had to record everything again, adjust the choreo, etc. Then months later you have the leader shading him saying that he betrayed the team, was selfish and made a lot of mistakes, while dude just appears to tell his 28 fans to support his solo  dude was straight kicked out of the company on bad terms with the members. Even if it's not this, what was it? Drugs, bullying? He's an irresponsible mess that fucked his team over at the very least tsk tsk

The letter was basically him calling the whole thing 'weird rumors' and deflecting, telling fans he's a nice boi and to anticipate his solo debut on his fake company created in 5 minutes uhhhhh bruh, let's just say that 2020 is also a bad year for him

Basically all of this. While I agree with the OP that's wild how random people throwing acussations in stan twitter can literally ruin or almost ruin careers nowadays (ie: the Keeho guy from FNC new group), in this case I'm more inclined to believe the supposed victim because everything Woojin has done has been shady, and being literally kicked out and blacklisted by his former company is definitely not a good sign.

[Moon Jellyfish]

21 minutes ago, Corysilk said:

Thanks for the background info.  I finally decided to look it up and while the business situation does look sketchy, its not impossible that he's just signed to a crappy label that just recently  found it necessary to start an online presence in order to defend their artist.  The only way to truly know would be to check out when (or if) the company was registered as a business.  I just saw that the accuser got her account back so hopefully charges can be filed on both sides and things can be sorted out with the help of the law. 

So far the only other 10x Entertainment that exists isn't even a Korean Company and has said they have no connection to him whatsoever. Even the 'website' isn't even a domain, its an organization tool application. Unless he got conned by a fake company ( which isn't entirely impossible I guess), it just seems like something he or someone close to him threw together real quickly in hopes to have some sort of damage control. Unfortunately for him, it just lessens any credibility  he might have left for a lot of people. 

[hynapia]

They tried to do the same with JK now. People are really taking advantage of this situation to throw baseless accusations to everyone...

 

[rananicolee]

6 minutes ago, hynapia said:

They tried to do the same with JK now. People are really taking advantage of this situation to throw baseless accusations to everyone...

 

Yeah they did that earlier with Taeyong and another NCT member and seungri.

[starsocks]

It's super disgusting how people are jumping on the bandwagon and making a joke out of sexual harassment to slam other idols

But you have to admit the situation is suss. I'm not saying he's 100% guilty but it doesn't look good, so I wouldn't call people being suspicious of him completely unjustified. 

[Nelkoya]

Of course, you can not blindly believe in any anonymous accusation made on twitter. Just looking at yesterday's several fake accounts accusing x and y idols proves this point.

But for Woojin it's different. There's many things that make people more suspicious.

First, if a kpop stan wanted to "troll" and ruin an idol career, why would they target Woojin? Nobody cares about him except some Stays that held onto him. And a lot of Stays already dropped him after he parted with JYPE, and a lot more dropped him after how Bangchan lowkey talked about the situation several times in his vlives.
The only people that still care about Woojin are a few Stays. And maybe we could think, what if it's a Stay that holds some grudge against Woojin? Yes, could be possible, but of anytime, why would a Stay do this in the middle of a Stray Kids comeback? Of course their name is getting linked to the mess and it's disturbing the comeback. So it makes me believe that it might not be the case. And if it's an ex-Stay, maybe they would do that in the middle of Stray Kids comeback deliberately, but then again, why Woojin? Most Stays dropped him already, and apart from twitter users, people don't link the mess to Stray Kids at all, so it's not targeting Skz either. No reason for an ex-Stay to target Woojin in order to bring SKZ down either, they would've gone for a SKZ member directly.

Then again, there's a lot of circumstantial evidences that Woojin did something bad. JYPE doesn't part with an artist 2 years into their contract for no reason. JYPE doesn't make their artists re-record a whole album and reschedule their whole comeback for no reason. There must be something big that happened behind the scenes, and we do not know what it is, but all we know is that the things JYPE doesn't accept are all pretty bad things (drugs, prostitutes, sexual assault...). Anyway, many Stays were already persuaded that Woojin did something bad. JYPE firing him, Bangchan speaking up about the issue several times in his Vlives and being really negative about "that person"... also earlier this year Woojin was signed with another company (wasn't it Zelo's label?) and he had merch, a fansign, etc. And now he isn't with them anymore. Why is he struggling to continue solo? While he expressed his desire to continue solo several time? Being laid out by companies and suddenly coming up with a company that comes out of nowhere to defend himself... Everything is suspicious. And then, his statements. First, he released a statement himself on his personal account and that's where he started to really fuck up. The alleged victim didn't name him, didn't name themselves, didn't name the bar they went at, but he still went out of his ways to release a statement. And that statement did nothing except making him more suspicious. And then the whole fake company thing happened. Everything he has done since then just scream "fuck I messed up I need to get out of this mess".

Just those element together, that are element we can check ourselves, really do not look good for him. Even if at this point you still don't want to believe the anonymous claims on twitter, you can not reasonably think that Woojin never did anything bad. There is something, at least with JYPE. And that gotta makes you suspicious of any claim against him.

Then after twitter users made more and more speculations on his case, most were by Stays that knew the most about him. So there's a lot of things to take with a grain of salt, but things look bigger than just a kpop stan trying to troll.

[MinnieMax]

Anything that was posted on a new twitter account without any evidence should't be considered as a proof. 
I do find his explanation tweet very tone deaf which rise a lot of questions on it's own + all that new company situation looks sketchy too

But this still is not a proof nor an evidence that what was posted on twitter actually happened