[pann-choa] *TW RACISM* ADELE INSTAGRAM POST CRITICIZED BY INETS FOR "LOOKING DOWN ON BLACK PEOPLE"

[Elscian]

24 minutes ago, MelanatedBeauty said:

Do people realize that the main and primary reason black people have a dislike for others indulging in their culture is because...here comes the mind blowingness of it all  (sarcasm)..when THEY do it they're called ratchet, ghetto, classless, animals, etc.. and sometimes- no sorry most of the time aren't even allowed to embrace it or even be treated with respect (i.e. natural hair that grows out our scalps, full lips, natural body shape etc..) until someone huite comes along renames it/does it (i.e. the kardashians) (i.e. the durag, dances, clothing, styling etc..) and then everybody suddenly sees it as...acceptable still not all the way acceptable for black people but acceptable for everyone else (i.e. spanish girls being seen as FIESTY or fiery when they stand up for themselves and black women being seen as "loud" "ratchet" "ghetto" "classless" etc.. all these examples go hand in hand by the way)

The main issue black people have you dense fucks is ya'll hypocrisy and downright racism. They're tired of you "thinking your low key but not so low key" racist asses using their shit, profiting off of it, and then treating and speaking to them like shit at the bottom of your shoe (that's inclusive of being dismissive of shit they find offensive -looking at u south korea and black face-) all the while also not giving credit where it's due and even going as far to basically say black people don't own shit cause xyz did it first (looking at yall "THE GREEKS" and braids people but if you actually picked up a book or did some research instead of buying oppars and unnies new album you'd know they were black people of varying shades in greece and rome bitch, you would know stealing shit from another culture and claiming it int new bitch only difference here is this is definitely the age of accountability). What is not to get? Don't use our shit until you respect us, don't use our shit until we can do it and not be delegated to hurtful by-words whilst others (not black) are willingly accepted when they do it. 

Anyways adele looks a mess, now get mad and heartburn over this comment.

So do we want to be stuck in this phase where people use degretory terms wrongfully for cultures or revolutionize and move past it? Also not everyone thinks of black people as low or ghetto at all. The ones who do are racists and deserve some appropriate treatment,  but others can love and respect their cultures like it happens in many other places. 

[Elscian]

Also people going into ancient history  to figure where things came from. Would we really ever know with accuracy? But sometimes it feels to me like they mixed better than we do now... that's why there's certain commonalities.  Heck I never even knew people thought braids were from Greek. I thought it was mainly African and Asian cultures, or actually a common thing for all woman.  What would any culture get from claiming braids or making it exclusive? This seems to be an issue outside of racism but still being connected to it somehow...

Edited September 2, 2020 by StanSatan

[satoori]

where was this photo taken?

[MelanatedBeauty]

20 minutes ago, StanSatan said:

So do we want to be stuck in this phase where people use degretory terms wrongfully for cultures or revolutionize and move past it? Also not everyone thinks of black people as low or ghetto at all. The ones who do are racists and deserve some appropriate treatment,  but others can love and respect their cultures like it happens in many other places. 

That sounds real nice and great on paper but even recent events (black people being kicked out of china, denied housing etc.. and being blamed for COVID, Ebola, america..i don't need to expand on this, etc..),  showcase fairy tale. One thing that's funny to me as well is when people are so comfortable telling black people it's time to get over a trauma or move pass a trauma but if black people were to say that for comfort women, the holocaust, hiroshima bombing, 9/11, etc.. hell would break loose (throwback to red velvet's original debut MV honey, -looks at south korea and comfort women-) which once more goes back to the fact that people don't give a shit about what offends another culture and only decide to see wrong when it affects them and their people. Also okay let's say black people do want to move pass it you're speaking to the wrong crowd lol the people who are adamant on keeping black people in a low standing and pushing harmful stereotypes are evident, you know who they are (and this isn't me saying its only huite people cause tuh it isn't, other POC are guilty too).

I never said all people think as black people as low or ghetto but we ain't gonna turn our faces and act like it's not a majority and that includes those who are complicit and silent when their friends, family members, neighbors, are on that bullshit,, those who raise their children with a fucked up mindset, etc..

Edited September 2, 2020 by MelanatedBeauty

[Archer2006]

Lol. It's ironic that some KPOP fans, don't get why Black people get offended at CA, yet are some of the FIRST ones to call out KPOP groups and companies for the CA and misuse of their own cultures. Especially the religious ones. L-O-L. And like others have mentioned, most black people didn't even care. It was the media and non-black people stirring shit up. That resulted in a flame war between Black Americans and Caribbeans/Jamaicans. Which further divided us. But of course people don't care about that fact. 

[rananicolee]

6 minutes ago, satoori said:

where was this photo taken?

It was taken in a Jamaican area in Nottingham I believe. 

[Vtzu]

10 minutes ago, Archer2006 said:

Lol. It's ironic that some KPOP fans, don't get why Black people get offended at CA, yet are some of the FIRST ones to call out KPOP groups and companies for the CA and misuse of their own cultures. Especially the religious ones. L-O-L. And like others have mentioned, most black people didn't even care. It was the media and non-black people stirring shit up. That resulted in a flame war between Black Americans and Caribbeans/Jamaicans. Which further divided us. But of course people don't care about that fact. 

the concept of cultural appropriation is stupid as a whole, when ppl call out k-pop groups for non-issues, it's equally stupid, y r u acting like this is the one time ppl think it's stupid?

its the same case, outside of twitter, no1 cares about what idols wear

[satoori]

1 minute ago, rananicolee said:

It was taken in a Jamaican area in Nottingham I believe. 

And this is what makes cultural appropriation confusing. Often times when visiting foreign countries locals let foreigners try on different traditional items and etc. It's part of tourism. Most locals don't tend to have a problem with it either. Some even make money off of it.

In this case the people around her don't seem to have a problem...Appreciation vs. Appropation? i feel in most cases people just assume the latter.

 

 

 

 

[rananicolee]

6 minutes ago, satoori said:

And this is what makes cultural appropriation confusing. Often times when visiting foreign countries locals let foreigners try on different traditional items and etc. It's part of tourism. Most locals don't tend to have a problem with it either. Some even make money off of it.

In this case the people around her don't seem to have a problem...Appreciation vs. Appropation? i feel in most cases people just assume the latter.

 

 

 

 

Yes, they do.

In this case, this is pure appreciation. 

 

[felidae]

This thread was like a flashback when the new group I like releases debut album and everyone is enraged bc of the styling. Twitter fans tried to reach up each of the members chinese fanclub (easier way to reach the artists and their respective companies), the director, basically everyone involved.

Then there's one member 'international' fanclub who refused to be a bridge, saying that "it's not CA" and its followers said "we black too even if we're not american and we don't have any problem so the fuss isn't needed!!". People foght and unfortunately I was on neutral ground, trying to explain to one non-american black user of why black american found the styling of their fave is problematic. They keep saying that the members aint white nor american nor had history with black american, why can't they speak over it if the black-american can, both being black and have the same hair, etc.

 I only based my posts from a black american user I follow and I'm not even black nor american it made me so nervous. In the end I said that both of their opinions are valid but let's try to understand things from others pov. Not sure if my points were taken but hopefully I didn't make things worse. Although in the end I heard that international fanclub is willing to communicate with the member's chinese fanclub after the member received more backlash.

 

 

But let's be honest. Most people not from the cultures 'appropriated' is in for drama. And you're wrong if you think it's only teenagers. 

Edited September 2, 2020 by felidae

[satoori]

8 minutes ago, rananicolee said:

Yes, they do.

In this case, this is pure appreciation. 

 

I see.

[rananicolee]

9 minutes ago, felidae said:

This thread was like a flashback when the new group I like releases debut album and everyone is enraged bc of the styling. Twitter fans tried to reach up each of the members chinese fanclub (easier way to reach the artists and their respective companies), the director, basically everyone involved.

Then there's one member 'international' fanclub who refused to be a bridge, saying that "it's not CA" and its followers said "we black too even if we're not american and we don't have any problem so the fuss isn't needed!!". People foght and unfortunately I was on neutral ground, trying to explain to one non-american black user of why black american found the styling of their fave is problematic. They keep saying that the members aint white nor american nor had history with black american, why can't they speak over it if the black-american can, both being black and have the same hair, etc.

 I only based my posts from a black american user I follow and I'm not even black nor american it made me so nervous. In the end I said that both of their opinions are valid but let's try to understand things from others pov. Not sure if my points were taken but hopefully I didn't make things worse. Although in the end I heard that international fanclub is willing to communicate with the member's chinese fanclub after the member received more backlash.

 

 

But let's be honest. Most people not from the cultures 'appropriated' is in for drama. And you're wrong if you think it's only teenagers. 

I say it's only teenagers because that's what I see now. But I can admit that I'm wrong. I don't have any shame in that. 

But I do acknowledge that a lot of people in their 20s and 30s are in these arguments and speaking for other cultures. Like I just remembered my friends that were only Tumblr when CA exploded and they won't shut up about CA. Mind you, they love speaking for black people and they're not black. 

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY EARLIER. You got people speaking for others that don't really care. 

[Elscian]

59 minutes ago, MelanatedBeauty said:

That sounds real nice and great on paper but even recent events (black people being kicked out of china, denied housing etc.. and being blamed for COVID, Ebola, america..i don't need to expand on this, etc..),  showcase fairy tale. One thing that's funny to me as well is when people are so comfortable telling black people it's time to get over a trauma or move pass a trauma but if black people were to say that for comfort women, the holocaust, hiroshima bombing, 9/11, etc.. hell would break loose (throwback to red velvet's original debut MV honey, -looks at south korea and comfort women-) which once more goes back to the fact that people don't give a shit about what offends another culture and only decide to see wrong when it affects them and their people. Also okay let's say black people do want to move pass it you're speaking to the wrong crowd lol the people who are adamant on keeping black people in a low standing and pushing harmful stereotypes are evident, you know who they are (and this isn't me saying its only huite people cause tuh it isn't, other POC are guilty too).

I never said all people think as black people as low or ghetto but we ain't gonna turn our faces and act like it's not a majority and that includes those who are complicit and silent when their friends, family members, neighbors, are on that bullshit,, those who raise their children with a fucked up mindset, etc..

If you read my og reply, I'm not saying this is the time to forget everything but rather to protest and revolutionize, instead of using CA which in turn affects the people of culture more if you think about it. While western culture keeps spreading and pushing imperialism, others will be left behind or deemed inappropriate like it often is. My question is, what impact does CA talks actually bring to the root cause of racism and is it really something that can solve it or worsen it?

Shouldn't they be called out for their silence on people suffering instead of telling them to stay completely away from a culture which will possibly make them view it more as alienated and increase racism?

As for you mentioning other histories,  yes I actually think they should try to make up and move forward from the ugly past of humans. But obviously that's just me and some people's, opinions.  The conditions definitely aren't ideal for everyone to move forward as the society is still similar to the past in many aspects. So yeah peace only looks good on paper. Specially with barely anyone tackling the root causes instead of talking vastly about the surface issues and fighting each other.

 

 

[Digiwon]

I honestly couldn't care less about americans and their 1st world problems

[Angel_Nessa]

7 hours ago, rananicolee said:

10. The only answer is to not touch anything that's from black people and not get associated with them

 

WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL.

 

 

okay but I don't think what she did was appropriation. She just looks really silly. I think she was appreciating Jamaican culture but, again, she looked so silly. 

By definition, cultural appropriation is taking one's culture and trying to pass it off as your own. Think like Jack in Nightmare Before Christmas how he went to Christmas Land and he basically tried to pass off Christmas as something he made. 

 

Oooh a neg! Guys, I didn't say she appropriated shit. I just said she looked silly. 

 

What an interesting way to explain Cultural Appropriation. I liked it. 

[felidae]

52 minutes ago, rananicolee said:

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY EARLIER. You got people speaking for others that don't really care. 

Because when us "the more privileged" do not speak up, we're also the bad guy. Worse, getting 'cancelled' (I'm talking about twitter cult, where one misunderstanding can make people mass-report and labeling us as someone we're not). Kind of....sad? that the fear of peer is a force. And if we're talking about twitter, don't forget their "cancel party". We don't want our faves get dragged for something they might not have idea about/control over.

(Yes I said that in this internet globalization era there are people that have no idea that CA is a thing. Do please @ me) 

[rananicolee]

Just now, Angel_Nessa said:

 

What an interesting way to explain Cultural Appropriation. I liked it. 

I recently watched it after I read a Twitter thread about how Jack basically stole Christmas and tried to pass it off as his own. It really opened my eyes more to what is actually cultural appropriation. 

There's a line in one of the songs that basically said he could make Christmas better than those in Christmasland could. PLUS IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOVIES AND IT'S JUST SO CLEAR. 

1 minute ago, felidae said:

Because when us "the more privileged" do not speak up, we're also the bad guy. Worse, getting 'cancelled' (I'm talking about twitter cult, where one misunderstanding can make people mass-report and labeling us as someone we're not). Kind of....sad? that the fear of peer is a force. And if we're talking about twitter, don't forget their "cancel party". We don't want our faves get dragged for something they might not have idea about/control over.

(Yes I said that in this internet globalization era there are people that have no idea that CA is a thing. Do please @ me) 

Twitter's a hot ass mess. 

 

[No1]

11 hours ago, TayTay said:

Most people who do this have no ill intention. How is it cultural appreciation if they didn’t claim to have invented and just wanted to celebrate it? I’d have no problem if white people wanted to start eating with chop sticks. 

My issue when people “appropiate” hairstyles is that even when they have no ill intentions, they still have no idea the weight natural hair, or a simple hairstyle can carry within the Black community when it can get them mocked, fired and even harrased.

 

I don’t think any hairstyle belongs to a certain group of people, since we’ve seen dreads, braid, cornrows etc, being used by other cultures, but people do need to start giving them their due respect instead of saying Black people are too sensitive about other races appropiating their hairstyles. After that, then talks about using them with true good intentions can begin. Otherwise, they can kick themselves on the ass on their way out, tbh.

[Mrs. Morale]

SINCE EVERYONE IN HERE IS JAMAICAN LET ME SPEAK.

Alright, I don't have problem with her outfit. When tourists come our islands we normally dress them up like that.

The hairstyle is a bit of problem. But I can see where she is going, she obviously did mean any I'll intentions, so let's not murder the woman over it. She's celebrating the link between London & Jamaica, which is kind of terrible idea since Jamaicans don't really like British (British British but their GOVERNMENT).

[Mrs. Morale]

14 hours ago, Yeriana Grande said:

Well I agree people are being oversensitive, is she not able to wear her hair how she pleases? I don't see why it should be a problem

I understand what you're saying. But I'm going talking from my personal experience as a Black Jamaican. For years we wouldn't wear those hairstyles to school, I think we still can't. They were refer to as "ghetto" and "unpleasant". Most us could only wear it at home but to attend school, function, ceremonies, interview, etc we would never wear it.

So you see 92% of Jamaicans are black but we still have our people telling us that our hair is "unpleasant". Where do think that our people get these ideas from?

14 hours ago, Vtzu said:

i rly don't think that last k net was being racist, i think they have a point because it seems like everything is cultural appropriation no matter what, it's safer 2 just not touch anything at all from black culture in his mind. this picture is harmless and there is this much backlash? i don't blame him for thinking that

the whole cultural appropriation concept is stupid and ppl in real like aren't going 2 care if they see white ppl wear Jamaican clothes or hairstyles, like one comment said, most Jamaican ppl don't even care.

I saw it yesterday & rolled my eyes. I completely forgot about it.

[LostChild]

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Edited July 26, 2021 by LostChild
not my place to talk about this

[Oli London]

She looks silly and I don't care if someone wears a flag on their titties.

[Ege-vika]

It's just idiotic now, sorry.So she can't wear a hairstyle she wants? 

I wonder, if I will go bitching on every and any asian and black celebrity that uses any, dunno, slavic hairstyle would it be ok? Nope...it wouldn't. I think I would be called a racist pig or smth.

It's just a hairstyle. World does not revolve around you and your race, sometimes  people just like certain style on them. So maybe stop thinking that everyone try to discriminate you or be like you or be ruder to you. Egosentric af, really. 

[Yeriana Grande]

8 hours ago, fullofjoy said:

I understand what you're saying. But I'm going talking from my personal experience as a Black Jamaican. For years we wouldn't wear those hairstyles to school, I think we still can't. They were refer to as "ghetto" and "unpleasant". Most us could only wear it at home but to attend school, function, ceremonies, interview, etc we would never wear it.

So you see 92% of Jamaicans are black but we still have our people telling us that our hair is "unpleasant". Where do think that our people get these ideas from?

I saw it yesterday & rolled my eyes. I completely forgot about it.

But can I ask, are only black Jamaicans forbidden from wearing those styles to school? I understand most are black but if there is a minority that is not, wouldn't they also be forbidden from styling their hair in the same way?

Because if it was not allowed for black Jamaicans but it was allowed for non black Jamaicans, I can see where you are coming from. But if it is banned for everyone, is there really an issue? I think out in public, hair regulations would be the same for everyone, right? I'm just trying to understand it correctly.

[Mrs. Morale]

8 hours ago, Yeriana Grande said:

But can I ask, are only black Jamaicans forbidden from wearing those styles to school? I understand most are black but if there is a minority that is not, wouldn't they also be forbidden from styling their hair in the same way?

Because if it was not allowed for black Jamaicans but it was allowed for non black Jamaicans, I can see where you are coming from. But if it is banned for everyone, is there really an issue? I think out in public, hair regulations would be the same for everyone, right? I'm just trying to understand it correctly.

It's not banned overall except for schools. But it's considered "unpleasant". Why do you think most of us get our hair creamed or straight before high school? It's not our people that comes up with this idea. Why do think we hate it? Do you think we suddenly get up & start hating our hair?