[pann-choa] *TW RACISM* ADELE INSTAGRAM POST CRITICIZED BY INETS FOR "LOOKING DOWN ON BLACK PEOPLE"

[Jikrytae]

1 hour ago, marin karin said:

Most people were not even outraged. You had black Americans who thought she looked silly, and made jokes. You had black Americans who did not care. You had black Americans who found it questionable because it is a trigger for us, as white women have often worn black hairstyles as a joke or as some sort of mock-blackness costume. And then you have literally every non-American black person who were upset at black Americans for making it a thing. 

From an outsider perspective, I can't really blame them. Why are black Americans particularly sensitive about this sort of thing? It has nothing to do with America or Americans. Black people from other countries don't seem to have the same habit of trying to speak for the entire race or being offended on behalf of the entire race. 

[Sofs]

3 hours ago, Angy said:

I thought she was katy perry from the pic damn, looking different i see

I thought I was the only one

[Vtzu]

8 minutes ago, Jikrytae said:

From an outsider perspective, I can't really blame them. Why are black Americans particularly sensitive about this sort of thing? It has nothing to do with America or Americans. Black people from other countries don't seem to have the same habit of trying to speak for the entire race or being offended on behalf of the entire race. 

becuz americans for whatever reason think they have the right to dictate the rest of the world. Most of the ppl u see talking about cultural appropriation are american. when this stuff happens and you look at black ppl outside of america, they usually don't care or r happy 2 see people appreciating their culture. americans in general need 2 get their heads out of their asses. the rest of the world shouldn't have 2 suffer becuz of their problems

[deliriousness]

29 minutes ago, Jikrytae said:

From an outsider perspective, I can't really blame them. Why are black Americans particularly sensitive about this sort of thing? It has nothing to do with America or Americans. Black people from other countries don't seem to have the same habit of trying to speak for the entire race or being offended on behalf of the entire race. 

I think that is fair, we definitely have an ethnocentrism issue as Americans, and also an issue with being reactionary. It is a lot more complicated for us here because we don't have the same strong identity that non-American black people have. American descendants of slavery have no connection to their roots, for a long time we were just "black", not Nigerian, or Jamaica, or Kenyan, or Haitian, not even true Americans, in the abstract sense. It's still a habit to see ALL black cultures as a part of our culture, so even when it pertains to Caribbean cultures or African cultures that we don't even participate in, it still feels personal. It's a criticism they've made often and I think it's valid.

Edited September 2, 2020 by marin karin

[rananicolee]

People were just explaining why black Americans are sensitive about the hair topic because there is a literal comment about that. 

8. It's a different case for black people trying to have straight hair... Black people have no choice but to braid their hair due to the nature of their hair, African Americans who are above middle class spend a lot of time and money trying to maintain their straight hair or they would use wigs (wigs are also f*cking expensive). That's their so-called "good-hair", but lately, they've been trying to remove this stigma and let their natural hair out, but whenever they do it, it's often viewed as inappropriate. That's something that was forced on the black community by white people to confirm to their standards.

No one was explaining it because of Adele. They were just confirming an already translated comment. 

The majority of black Americans on Twitter were just making JOKES about her. They were just confused and stopped talking about it an hour later.  Besides the few that were complaining, the majority of people who cry CA are not black Americans. 

[A Hamster Named Loneliness]

28 minutes ago, Vtzu said:

becuz americans for whatever reason think they have the right to dictate the rest of the world. Most of the ppl u see talking about cultural appropriation are american. when this stuff happens and you look at black ppl outside of america, they usually don't care or r happy 2 see people appreciating their culture. americans in general need 2 get their heads out of their asses. the rest of the world shouldn't have 2 suffer becuz of their problems

except that most Americans actually don't really care about cultural appropriation. Like I've lived in the US my whole life and I didn't even know what cultural appropriation was until I joined Tumblr my first year of college because I saw pretty art posts coming from Tumblr and then a year later I started coming across cultural appropriation rant posts on that site. 

Edited September 2, 2020 by A Hamster Named Loneliness

[rananicolee]

9 minutes ago, marin karin said:

I think that is fair, we definitely have an ethnocentrism issue as Americans, and also an issue with being reactionary. It is a lot more complicated for us here because we don't have the same strong identity that non-American black people have. American descendants of slavery have no connection to their roots, for a long time we were just "black", not Nigerian, or Jamaica, or Kenyan, or Haitian, not even true Americans, in the abstract sense. It's still a habit to see ALL black cultures as a part of our culture, so even when it pertains to Caribbean cultures or African cultures that we don't even participate in, it still feels personal. It's a criticism they've made often and I think it's valid.

And also this. Most of us don't have a clue of where we originated from so some formed the habit to view them all as our culture and, if we did, we wouldn't have that connection really. 

Some like my friends do know they are from the Caribbean because that's where they were born. The other ones that do know ARE from Africa. One of my best friends if from Zimbabwe and moved to America around sometime in 2010. We met in college. 

[rananicolee]

2 minutes ago, A Hamster Named Loneliness said:

except that most Americans ACTUALLY DON'T REALLY CARE about cultural appropriation, the only ones that really care are what we refer to as "social justice warriors", particularly those on Twitter and Tumblr, and they don't even represent the majority of Americans anyway (just like how the anti-maskers don't even represent us anyway, especially since there are those of us who wear masks and have been social distancing and avoiding public gatherings). Like I've lived in the US my whole life and I didn't even know what cultural appropriation was until I joined Tumblr and saw posts ranting about it. 

Exactly! Most Americans and, especially most black Americans, DON'T CARE at all. Like you I only found out the term in 2012...on Tumblr...from white people saying that black people need to be offended something. 

The only ones that cry that out are kids on different sites! Most Americans KNOW we are not the center of the world. 

[sakurahanabira]

27 minutes ago, Vtzu said:

becuz americans for whatever reason think they have the right to dictate the rest of the world. Most of the ppl u see talking about cultural appropriation are american. when this stuff happens and you look at black ppl outside of america, they usually don't care or r happy 2 see people appreciating their culture. americans in general need 2 get their heads out of their asses. the rest of the world shouldn't have 2 suffer becuz of their problems

A lot of Americans really don't care though? Like on that picture of some white chick wearing a Chinese cheongsam for her prom dress, there were a lot of Americans, a few of them 1st generation Chinese-Americans, who thought that it was a non-issue and that Twitter/Tumblr was overreacting. 

Edited September 2, 2020 by melancholic autumn

[sakurahanabira]

16 minutes ago, rananicolee said:

People were just explaining why black Americans are sensitive about the hair topic because there is a literal comment about that. 

8. It's a different case for black people trying to have straight hair... Black people have no choice but to braid their hair due to the nature of their hair, African Americans who are above middle class spend a lot of time and money trying to maintain their straight hair or they would use wigs (wigs are also f*cking expensive). That's their so-called "good-hair", but lately, they've been trying to remove this stigma and let their natural hair out, but whenever they do it, it's often viewed as inappropriate. That's something that was forced on the black community by white people to confirm to their standards.

No one was explaining it because of Adele. They were just confirming an already translated comment. 

The majority of black Americans on Twitter were just making JOKES about her. They were just confused and stopped talking about it an hour later.  Besides the few that were complaining, the majority of people who cry CA are not black Americans. 

This, thank you. 

[rananicolee]

1 minute ago, melancholic autumn said:

This, thank you. 

There was no other reason but people took into another realm. When we were simply talking about the comment.

And most of us just gave the definition of CA. We even said she wasn't doing that. We're just explaining what it really is and that this is not it. 

[MelanatedBeauty]

Do people realize that the main and primary reason black people have a dislike for others indulging in their culture is because...here comes the mind blowingness of it all  (sarcasm)..when THEY do it they're called ratchet, ghetto, classless, animals, etc.. and sometimes- no sorry most of the time aren't even allowed to embrace it or even be treated with respect (i.e. natural hair that grows out our scalps, full lips, natural body shape etc..) until someone huite comes along renames it/does it (i.e. the kardashians) (i.e. the durag, dances, clothing, styling etc..) and then everybody suddenly sees it as...acceptable still not all the way acceptable for black people but acceptable for everyone else (i.e. spanish girls being seen as FIESTY or fiery when they stand up for themselves and black women being seen as "loud" "ratchet" "ghetto" "classless" etc.. all these examples go hand in hand by the way)

The main issue black people have you dense fucks is ya'll hypocrisy and downright racism. They're tired of you "thinking your low key but not so low key" racist asses using their shit, profiting off of it, and then treating and speaking to them like shit at the bottom of your shoe (that's inclusive of being dismissive of shit they find offensive -looking at u south korea and black face-) all the while also not giving credit where it's due and even going as far to basically say black people don't own shit cause xyz did it first (looking at yall "THE GREEKS" and braids people but if you actually picked up a book or did some research instead of buying oppars and unnies new album you'd know they were black people of varying shades in greece and rome bitch, you would know stealing shit from another culture and claiming it int new bitch only difference here is this is definitely the age of accountability). What is not to get? Don't use our shit until you respect us, don't use our shit until we can do it and not be delegated to hurtful by-words whilst others (not black) are willingly accepted when they do it. 

Anyways adele looks a mess, now get mad and heartburn over this comment.

Edited September 2, 2020 by MelanatedBeauty

[Vtzu]

17 minutes ago, A Hamster Named Loneliness said:

except that most Americans actually don't really care about cultural appropriation. Like I've lived in the US my whole life and I didn't even know what cultural appropriation was until I joined Tumblr my first year of college because I saw pretty art posts coming from Tumblr and then a year later I started coming across cultural appropriation rant posts on that site. 

 

12 minutes ago, melancholic autumn said:

A lot of Americans really don't care though? Like on that picture of some white chick wearing a Chinese cheongsam for her prom dress, there were a lot of Americans, a few of them 1st generation Chinese-Americans, who thought that it was a non-issue and that Twitter/Tumblr was overreacting. 

most ppl irl in general don't care, but the ones who care the most are the sjws of twitter and they're usually american. u will never hear about cultural appropriation in real life

[sakurahanabira]

9 minutes ago, rananicolee said:

Exactly! Most Americans and, especially most black Americans, DON'T CARE at all. Like you I only found out the term in 2012...on Tumblr...from white people saying that black people need to be offended something. 

The only ones that cry that out are kids on different sites! Most Americans KNOW we are not the center of the world. 

Yeah if you go on r/AskAnAmerican and ask what they think about CA, the answers will be MUCH different than what you see on Twitter/Tumblr. 

[rananicolee]

Just now, melancholic autumn said:

Yeah if you go on r/AskAnAmerican and ask what they think about CA, the answers will be MUCH different than what you see on Twitter/Tumblr. 

I had to leave Tumblr because of that. It got so ridiculous. Most of the ones crying it out are teens and no one should pay them any mind. 

[Elscian]

Appropriation is when you take someone else's culture and try to tweak it up or just straight up pass it off as your own. A good example would be people trying to westernize native American clothes for fashion shows. 

What she was doing here is pay her tribute for a culture in a carnival.  And people outside of America are used to this kind of mixing and appreciation it seems.  I recall reading a reply saying they'd have been shocked to visit cuba(I think it was cuba) where you'd find even white people embracing black culture, with due respect and appreciation of course. 

Now the question is, the ones who we're saying it's appropriation, what it's the reason? The reason I saw stated is that bc societies used to, and still do, find black hairstyles inappropriate and some schools and workplaces banned them.  So if a black woman can't feel comfortable in her own culture then why can a white feel comfortable in their culture? But here is the thing,  if someone is trying to block it then is blocking it further the solution? Why not protest and get everyone to appreciate it. Also some people were saying its bc they can't feel comfortable in their own culture's hair bc in the past they needed to get straight hair for survival.... but tbh, its no longer like that so  why be stuck in the past and push your culture away when you can and should embrace it.

Bc without embracing it, it will be lost.  Let's say Indians are trying to sell sarees and spread it across the globe.  But someone drops the appropriation word and makes it a reason why you can't wear them.  Then they be like...here wear our suits and shirts instead.  Its basically using appropriation to push the western imperialism and stop the spread of other cultures.  And who loses from this? The people of culture who could've made a living from this. Imagine the amount a black person can make by spreading the wonderful culture.  But ofc that means a black person belonging from that culture and not just anyone who was never associated with it trying to steal it bc they have the same skin (as different black communities may have different cultures and its important to give credit where its due). And this goes out to those American/western businesses taking tons from Africa and benefiting for their own. 

 

Edited September 2, 2020 by StanSatan

[A Hamster Named Loneliness]

7 minutes ago, Vtzu said:

 

most ppl irl in general don't care, but the ones who care the most are the sjws of twitter and they're usually american. u will never hear about cultural appropriation in real life

I mean i went to university in a pretty liberal town in northern California (University of California, Davis) and there were sociology students that used the word cultural appropriation there. These were the same students who often held demonstrations and protests that the rest of the student body found annoying and disruptive (like the one time when a group of demonstrators stormed into one of the buildings while students were literally taking their FINAL EXAM). You see people talking about cultural appropriation most often on college campuses. Ever since I graduated college, I haven't heard cultural appropriation being thrown around in real life, only on the internet. 

Edited September 2, 2020 by A Hamster Named Loneliness

[rananicolee]

2 minutes ago, StanSatan said:

Appropriation is when you take someone else's culture and try to tweak it up or just straight up pass it off as your own. A good example would be people trying to westernize native American clothes for fashion shows. 

What she was doing here is pay her tribute for a culture in a carnival.  And people outside of America are used to this kind of mixing and appreciation it seems.  I recall reading a reply saying they'd have been shocked to visit cuba(I think it was cuba) where you'd find even white people embracing black culture, with due respect and appreciation of course. 

Now the question is, the ones who we're saying it's appropriation, what it's the reason? The reason I saw stated is that bc societies used to, and still do, find black hairstyles inappropriate and some schools and workplaces banned them.  So if a black woman can't feel comfortable in her own culture then why can a white feel comfortable in their culture? But here is the thing,  if someone is trying to block it then is blocking it further the solution? Why not protest and get everyone to appreciate it. Also some people were saying its bc they can't feel comfortable in their own culture's hair bc in the past they needed to get straight hair for survival.... but tbh, its no longer like that so  why be stuck in the past and push your culture away when you can and should embrace it.

Bc without embracing it, it will be lost.  Let's say Indians are trying to sell sarees and spread it across the globe.  But someone drops the appropriation word and makes it a reason why you can't wear them.  Then they be like...here wear our suits and shirts instead.  Its basically using appropriation to push the western imperialism and stop the spread of other cultures.  And who loses from this? The people of culture who could've made a living from this. Imagine the amount a black person can make by spreading the wonderful culture.  But ofc that means a black person belonging from that culture and not just anyone who was never associated with it trying to steal it bc they have the same skin (as different black communities may have different cultures and its important to give credit where its due). And this goes out to the Americans/westerners taking tons from Africa and benefiting for their own. 

 

The majority of people that cry CA are usually teens that aren't apart of that culture. 

[sakurahanabira]

Just now, rananicolee said:

I had to leave Tumblr because of that. It got so ridiculous. Most of the ones crying it out are teens and no one should pay them any mind. 

The blogs I follow are mainly picture-based so I don't run into those kinds of users often. 

 

[rananicolee]

Just now, melancholic autumn said:

The blogs I follow are mainly picture-based so I don't run into those kinds of users often. 

 

I see them on Twitter if I'm searching a trending topic. Oddly enough, they have pop star avis. So like ya'll connect the dots. 

 

[Archer2006]

15 minutes ago, MelanatedBeauty said:

Do people realize that the main and primary reason black people have a dislike for others indulging in their culture is because...here comes the mind blowingness of it all  (sarcasm)..when THEY do it they're called ratchet, ghetto, classless, animals, etc.. and sometimes- no sorry most of the time aren't even allowed to embrace it or even be treated with respect (i.e. natural hair that grows out our scalps, full lips, natural body shape etc..) until someone huite comes along renames it/does it (i.e. the kardashians) (i.e. the durag, dances, clothing, styling etc..) and then everybody suddenly sees it as...acceptable still not all the way acceptable for black people but acceptable for everyone else (i.e. spanish girls being seen as FIESTY or fiery when they stand up for themselves and black women being seen as "loud" "ratchet" "ghetto" "classless" etc.. all these examples go hand in hand by the way)

The main issue black people have you dense fucks is ya'll hypocrisy and downright racism. They're tired of you "thinking your low key but not so low key" racist asses using their shit, profiting off of it, and then treating and speaking to them like shit at the bottom of your shoe (that's inclusive of being dismissive of shit they find offensive -looking at u south korea and black face-) all the while also not giving credit where it's due and even going as far to basically say black people don't own shit cause xyz did it first (looking at yall "THE GREEKS" and braids people but if you actually picked up a book or did some research instead of buying oppars and unnies new album you'd know they were black people of varying shades in greece and rome bitch, you would know stealing shit from another culture and claiming it int new bitch only difference here is this is definitely the age of accountability). What is not to get? Don't use our shit until you respect us, don't use our shit until we can do it and not be delegated to hurtful by-words whilst others (not black) are willingly accepted when they do it. 

Anyways adele looks a mess, now get mad and heartburn over this comment.

EVERYTHING I wanted to say. 

[Vtzu]

5 minutes ago, A Hamster Named Loneliness said:

I mean i went to university in a pretty liberal town in northern California (University of California, Davis) and there were sociology students that used the word cultural appropriation there. These were the same students who often held demonstrations and protests that the rest of the student body found annoying and disruptive (like the one time when a group of demonstrators stormed into one of the buildings while students were literally taking their FINAL EXAM). 

those are the kinds of ppl u may hear talking about it, but from what u described, they're literally twitter sjws lmao, ppl who go around asserting their wokeness regardless of concern of anyone around them, it's always college students feeling offended on behalf of other ppl

but they are such a minority. ur average every day american is not going to give a shit about cultural appropriation.

[Elscian]

4 minutes ago, rananicolee said:

The majority of people that cry CA are usually teens that aren't apart of that culture. 

Tbh, I doubt this. Everytime im watching any reaction or promotion video (not of kpop mainly), its always someone in their 20s or 30s using this term. Like I remember this one video where a woman was like 'I really like those asian robes but I can't wear them bc appropriation'. 

Or another person calling out black appropriation for wearing braids(and they were braids which belongs to many cultures).

But the second part you said is something to think about really. The people who are fighting, do they even associate with that culture? Or are they automatically  entitled to monetize from it (without credits) bc they have the same ethnicity. Imo it's more important what the people of that country where it generates from thinks, and its important to credit them even if you have the same ethnicity. Sorry about the ramble.

[A Hamster Named Loneliness]

4 minutes ago, Vtzu said:

those are the kinds of ppl u may hear talking about it, but from what u described, they're literally twitter sjws lmao, ppl who go around asserting their wokeness regardless of concern of anyone around them, it's always college students feeling offended on behalf of other ppl

but they are such a minority. ur average every day american is not going to give a shit about cultural appropriation.

Yes I know, I've already established that in my other comments. 

[rananicolee]

1 minute ago, StanSatan said:

Tbh, I doubt this. Everytime im watching any reaction or promotion video (not of kpop mainly), its always someone in their 20s or 30s using this term. Like I remember this one video where a woman was like 'I really like those asian robes but I can't wear them bc appropriation'. 

Or another person calling out black appropriation for wearing braids(and they were braids which belongs to many cultures).

But the second part you said is something to think about really. The people who are fighting, do they even associate with that culture? Or are they automatically  entitled to monetize from it (without credits) bc they have the same ethnicity. Imo it's more important what the people of that country where it generates from thinks, and its important to credit them even if you have the same ethnicity. Sorry about the ramble.

It's majority teens and the adults that shout it came from tumblr like my friends that really shout it. In 2011, it really started there and those people are my age (30s) and boy do they still believe it. But now it's more so teens really pushing it now. So yeah it's a mixture. 

The ones who say someone is biting off of black culture are not black, for example. My friends with dreads do NOT care if someone white has dreads. Hell, they love to see it.