[pann-choa] IDOL'S FANDOM SIZE VS POPULARITY WITH GENERAL PUBLIC

[bye-bye]

What's more important?

 

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1. [+154, -9]
General public recognition will help you go long-run. If you had general public's recognition, you would have somewhat a decent sized fandom and there's only a handful of them..

2. [+99, -5]
But the male idols who are popular with the public are all composing and writing their own title songs so they are earning good money. There is no male idol group who's known to the general public with a small fandom size either. Being known to the public helps with your long-run career

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ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ since when did general public's recognition not come with good earning?ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

4. [+61, 0]
Groups like Winner and BtoB have a good balance when it comes to general public-fandom size so they will last long

5. [+54, -48]
The people saying that popularity with the general public in the best replies are freaking bullsh*tting..?? A big fandom will help you last long. If you have a good core fandom, you can listen to that group's music for at least 8-9 years. Have you ever listened to a group who's popular with the public for 8-9 years??? No, public recognition will definitely not help you go for the long-rum. You'll be over after a few hit songs

6. [+54, 0]
Idols' biggest revenues are from digital music sales, goods and concerts. The general public will just listen to your song and won't buy any of these. If idols want to earn money, having a big fandom is the answer. If they want a lot of people to know their names, they can go for the general public

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[starsocks]

the gp won't ignore you when your fandom is sizeable and powerful enough

[The Hoe Wears Prada]

My bias can't relate as he has both the fandom size and general public popularity.

[satoori]

big fandom: stans are loyal. produce your own music or not, a group is still going to start making money once they break even. the money companies and idols make from touring and merchandise is a huge part of their inflow. plus, a group with a big fandom most likely have cfs and endorsers too. 

public popularity: unless one is making money off of royalties and/or cfs, then one is not very profitable here in korea. the money they make from local events in korea is basically nothing compared to what groups make off of even their concert merch alone. there's a reason companies eventually want to to debut idol groups.

[satoori]

if the domestic market of korea was so profitable, then the korean entertainment industry wouldn't be so reliant on global expansion. js.

Edited August 20, 2020 by satoori

[Angel_Nessa]

when the group is active, the best is having a big fandom, especially an I-fandom cause the profits are higher.

when the group's popularity started decreasing and the hyper is not the same, so the general public's recognition helps the members to get solo works in Korea. However, an idol can also get solo works if he's from a popular group.

 

 

 

 

[satoori]

8 minutes ago, Angel_Nessa said:

when the group is active, the best is having a big fandom, especially an I-fandom cause the profits are higher.

when the group's popularity started decreasing and the hyper is not the same, so the general public's recognition helps the members to get solo works in Korea. However, an idol can also get solo works if he's from a popular group.

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adding on: in an ideal financial situation, a group who are making millions during their years of being active, have invested and used their money wisely. therefor they don't have to depend on solo work to make money. solo work is just something they want to do to keep busy and meet fans.

[evil4life]

you need to find a balance between the two since groups naturally lose popularity over time and without an impact in the general public they tend to be buried in history and eventually forgotten.

 

Just look at SISTAR for example, they never had a massive fan base, but you will be damned to ignore the fact that the general public still has them in their minds years after they disbanded. 

Edited August 20, 2020 by evil4life

[hynapia]

I think both are definitely important. GP recognition gives you more chances of appearing in variety shows, dramas, CFs, festivals, etc but a big fandom is equally important, especially for the long run. Groups like DBSK and SuJu that don't chart in k-charts anymore are able to be still active and successful well into their 30s thanks to their loyal fandom (especially Japanese/international). Meanwhile groups like iKON or Momoland are barely relevant anymore even after huge digital hits, because in many cases the public just care for the song but not necessarily the group. However groups like BTS, EXO, Seventeen, Twice, BP, etc will be able to be successful even after years because their fandoms are massive and they're always gonna buy their albums and merch and go to their concepts, regardless if they keep doing well in charts or not.

 

[hynapia]

9 minutes ago, evil4life said:

you need to find a balance between the two since groups naturally lose popularity over time and without an impact in the general public they tend to be buried in history and eventually forgotten.

 

Just look at SISTAR for example, they never had a massive fan base, but you will be damned to ignore the fact that the general public still has them in their minds years after they disbanded. 

They have the group in mind but if I'm not mistaken the members solos don't chart well anymore, which means the public liked their songs (especially their summer songs) but they didn't care that much for the members individually. Meanwhile if you have a big fandom you'll always have many people buying your music and going to your concerts.

[rananicolee]

2 minutes ago, hynapia said:

They have the group in mind but if I'm not mistaken the members solos don't chart well anymore, which means the public liked their songs (especially their summer songs) but they didn't care that much for the members individually. Meanwhile if you have a big fandom you'll always have many people buying your music and going to your concerts.

Yeah I have to agree as a SISTAR fan. The members were popular during their time in SISTAR but they don't care about the members anymore. I cannot tell you where Bora is and she doesn't make headlines anymore. 

They loved their songs, of course, but that was just it. Their songs. 

[hynapia]

2 minutes ago, rananicolee said:

Yeah I have to agree as a SISTAR fan. The members were popular during their time in SISTAR but they don't care about the members anymore. I cannot tell you where Bora is and she doesn't make headlines anymore. 

They loved their songs, of course, but that was just it. Their songs. 

That was my impression. In fact Hyolyn released a solo album yesterday (I know because one of my mutuals in twitter follows her) and she didn't even crack melon top 100. The GP is just really fickle and they lose interest overtime or just care for a group's songs but not necessarily for the members individually so the whole "GP recognition can help the members to do well as solos after disbandment"...it depends on each case tbh.

On the other hand you have groups like ZE:A that didn't have a single digital hit with the public (or even a breakout song) but some of the members managed to make a name for themselves as actors.

[rananicolee]

Just now, hynapia said:

That was my impression. In fact Hyolyn released a solo album yesterday (I know because one of my mutuals in twitter follows her) and she didn't even crack melon top 100. The GP is just really fickle and they lose interest overtime or just care for a group's songs but not necessarily for the members individually so the whole "GP recognition can help the members to do well as solos after disbandment"...it depends on each case tbh.

On the other hand you have groups like ZE:A that didn't have a single digital hit with the public (or even a breakout song) but some of the members managed to make a name for themselves as actors.

Exactly. It depends on each individual group and each individual member in the group. 

[meonji]

1 hour ago, bye-bye said:

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The people saying that popularity with the general public in the best replies are freaking bullsh*tting..?? A big fandom will help you last long. If you have a good core fandom, you can listen to that group's music for at least 8-9 years. Have you ever listened to a group who's popular with the public for 8-9 years??? No, public recognition will definitely not help you go for the long-rum. You'll be over after a few hit songs

downvoted for saying the truth

[hynapia]

55 minutes ago, meonji said:

downvoted for saying the truth

Exactly, that comment is not lying. The only example of group that's still relevant with the GP and chart well after nearly 10 years is A Pink. Everyone else from 2nd gen have lost relevancy or have disbanded. And the ones that aren't disbanded/inactive are surviving well precisely because they have a strong core fandom (ie: DBSK, SuJu, SHINee, Infinite, etc).

Edited August 20, 2020 by hynapia

[Serenee]

They are both important in their own ways, but in the long run, fandom is the one who is going to keep the group aflood. 

When you get public recognition, you are doing great for a while, getting CFs and doing shows. It is more personally fulffliling too, knowing that many people listen and enjoy your songs and you are generally loved. But unless you somehow pull off an IU, trends are fickle, you can get replaced easily in such competitive times!

A fandom is loyal. You might lose fans too, but a good fanbase is still there to keep you aflood. Even when you aren't the hottest thing (anymore), it's the fandom that is there to pay for your concert, merch, album and give you much needed support, even to support solo career. 

Also, I've noticed for a while that you can get popular from having a big fanbase too. Like EXO, BTS, Wannaone, their big fandom got them known to the public too. When your fanbase is big enough, you can get CFs and invited to shows too. 

So I'd rather choose fanbase.

Edited August 21, 2020 by Serenee

[hynapia]

18 hours ago, Serenee said:

They are both important in their own ways, but in the long run, fandom is the one who is going to keep the group aflood. 

When you get public recognition, you are doing great for a while, getting CFs and doing shows. It is more personally fulffliling too, knowing that many people listen and enjoy your songs and you are generally loved. But unless you somehow pull off an IU, trends are fickle, you can get replaced easily in such competitive times!

A fandom is loyal. You might lose fans too, but a good fanbase is still there to keep you aflood. Even when you aren't the hottest thing (anymore), it's the fandom that is there to pay for your concert, merch, album and give you much needed support, even to support solo career. 

Also, I've noticed for a while that you can get popular from having a big fanbase too. Like EXO, BTS, Wannaone, their big fandom got them known to the public too. When your fanbase is big enough, you can get CFs and invited to shows too. 

So I'd rather choose fanbase.

You put it out so perfectly. Artists like IU or A Pink that are still relevant with the GP 10 or more years after debut are an exception. Majority of groups lose relevancy with time, especially idol groups because they're mostly marketed to teens and young adults and they usually move to the newest trend. However, if a group manages to get a solid core fandom like DBSK, SuJu, SNSD, SHINee, Infinite, etc they can be still active and successful after many years even if they're not a "trend" anymore. Heck, even Sechskies that's a FIRST gen group is still doing fairly well because they have a super loyal fandom.

Also, you're so right that in many cases having a big fandom can actually make you more popular with the GP too. In BTS' case, koreans started to notice them precisely because they had a big international fandom, and the same is starting to happen with ateez kinda (not at the level of BTS in 2015, but they've started to chart in some k-charts when previously they were totally nugu in korea). There's also the misconception that digital hits and public recognition = more CF deals and it's not always like that. I didn't see iKON or Momoland getting many CF deals after love scenario or bboom bboom. Meanwhile I've seen mid-tier groups that still don't have that much public recognition like SF9 or Monsta X with a few CFs already so...it's all relative.

[harumaki]

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Groups like Winner and BtoB have a good balance when it comes to general public-fandom size so they will last long

Cant wait for Winner to escape YG u.u. 

[Usagi.]

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