[theqoo] GLOBAL VIEWERS CLAIM THAT I-LAND ONLY FAVORABLE TOWARDS KOREANS AND IS DISCRIMINATORY

[satoori]

20 minutes ago, Mami3chan said:

why does Kpop "Korean Pop" have to represent some other countries culture in the korean music industry? thats just being entitled as a consumer .

Kpop have some global popularity cause people got interested in the korean pop culture, i know there's a minority group of kpop fans who want to see their nationalities in kpop cause they wanna spread their own culture or whatever but those should just support their own national pop acts if they care that much its not kpop's duty to represent other cultures its the other way around kpop/kdrama is supposed to spread the Korean culture and thats what attracts the global audience even when foreign members join a kpop group they are not there to represent their culture they are there to be part of "Kpop" and spread the korean culture to bring more i-fans.. 

i mean, ...ok that's a good point.

 

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, satoori said:

Agree! More and more Korean entertainment companies are opening their auditions to more than the usual countries: Japan, US,, Taiwan, and Korea.
Thailand, Singapore and Australia were added a few years ago. And it seems more SEA countries like Vietnam and Indonesia are being looked at.

In relations to Bighit. I-land opened their doors to Vietnam, and the new girl auditions were held in 16 cities last year too. 2 of them being in Vietnam.

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Saturday, October 5 – Los Angeles and New York City
Saturday, October 12 – Perth and Singapore
Sunday, October 13 – Melbourne
Saturday, October 19 – Busan, Gwangju, Osaka, Sapporo and Taipei
Sunday, October 20 – Seoul, Tokyo and Kaohsiung
Saturday, October 26 – Hanoi and Bangkok
Sunday, October 27 – Ho Chi Minh

https://www.nme.com/news/music/big-hit-entertainment-global-auditions-new-k-pop-girl-group-2545017

 

This is for the gg that will debut next year or for i-land's future seasons? Because on Belift website there's new auditions announced but they don't specify cities or anything, it just says that male and female candidates born in 2000-2009 of any nationality can apply

http://belift.kr/eng/audition/

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, Cosmic Warrior said:

This is the first time Vietnam has a real try in the world of Kpop. I think Bighit is testing the water on what reactions and support a vietnamese trainee will get, and they got the their answer. Having a vietnamese member in a Kpop group could get big support from the country. Just as Dita from Secret Number in Indonesia.. 

I'm at peace with Hanbin likely not debuting. He already opened the door for future vietnamese trainees by joining a big show runned by CJ and Bighit, and I'm pretty confident we'll see a very talented vietnamese Kpop idol one day soon. Not to say Hanbin isn't but there are many who are levels above him. 

I'm actually surprised he went this far because it's not like they showed him a lot in the show. But he's a good dancer and a decent vocalist so if he doesn't debut here maybe he can be scouted in another company since he's still relatively young. At least he already has the support of many people (mostly Vietnam/SEA fans but a lot of fans from other countries too).

[satoori]

13 minutes ago, hynapia said:

This is for the gg that will debut next year or for i-land's future seasons? Because on Belift website there's new auditions announced but they don't specify cities or anything, it just says that male and female candidates born in 2000-2009 of any nationality can apply

http://belift.kr/eng/audition/

I forgot to add "group" to "bighit new girl group"

the source in my post saids it tho.

[Moruk Laplamiz]

1 hour ago, satoori said:

Agree! More and more Korean entertainment companies are opening their auditions to more than the usual countries: Japan, US,, Taiwan, and Korea.
Thailand, Singapore and Australia were added a few years ago. And it seems more SEA countries like Vietnam and Indonesia are being looked at.

In relations to Bighit. I-land opened their doors to Vietnam, and the new girl auditions were held in 16 cities last year too. 2 of them being in Vietnam.

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Saturday, October 5 – Los Angeles and New York City
Saturday, October 12 – Perth and Singapore
Sunday, October 13 – Melbourne
Saturday, October 19 – Busan, Gwangju, Osaka, Sapporo and Taipei
Sunday, October 20 – Seoul, Tokyo and Kaohsiung
Saturday, October 26 – Hanoi and Bangkok
Sunday, October 27 – Ho Chi Minh

https://www.nme.com/news/music/big-hit-entertainment-global-auditions-new-k-pop-girl-group-2545017

 

I'm confident we'll see more indonesians and vietnamese. The journey for Vietnam into Kpop didn't start with Hanbin, but years ago with no success. But last year to now, it has been a slowly developement. 

RBW recruited vietnamese trainees in 2018 for their vietnamese boy group, D1verse that debuted in February. They were also the first vietnamese to be on 1thek with their survival show ''We Will Debut''

Not satisfied at all with how RBW delivered in the end with this cheap debut MV. Hopefully this will change.

And in March, Ivone, a ex-member of disbanded vietnamese group LIME, became the first vietnamese to appear on a korean music show

And now Hanbin on I-Land. Just a matter of time now

[Moruk Laplamiz]

31 minutes ago, hynapia said:

I'm actually surprised he went this far because it's not like they showed him a lot in the show. But he's a good dancer and a decent vocalist so if he doesn't debut here maybe he can be scouted in another company since he's still relatively young. At least he already has the support of many people (mostly Vietnam/SEA fans but a lot of fans from other countries too).

That shows the potential of fan support from Vietnam. Hanbin had almost no screentime but still he managed to reach part 2. Imagine a vietnamese girl or boy with stronger visuals and skills. Hanbin is cute, good dancer and sings OK, but he's not the best out there. 

Edited August 19, 2020 by Cosmic Warrior

[satoori]

17 minutes ago, Cosmic Warrior said:

I'm confident we'll see more indonesians and vietnamese. The journey for Vietnam into Kpop didn't start with Hanbin, but years ago with no success. But last year to now, it has been a slowly developement. 

RBW recruited vietnamese trainees in 2018 for their vietnamese boy group, D1verse that debuted in February. They were also the first vietnamese to be on 1thek with their survival show ''We Will Debut''

Not satisfied at all with how RBW delivered in the end with this cheap debut MV. Hopefully this will change.

And in March, Ivone, a ex-member of disbanded vietnamese group LIME, became the first vietnamese to appear on a korean music show

And now Hanbin on I-Land. Just a matter of time now

I knew about RBW but not about girl group!

Yes! You're right it's only a matter of time one will become a hit with everyone!

15 minutes ago, Cosmic Warrior said:

That shows the potential of fan support from Vietnam. Hanbin had screentime but still he managed to reach part 2. Imagine a vietnamese girl or boy with stronger visuals and skills. 

True. I agree, the right visuals (popular in Korea and internationally) is an advantage.

e.g. One Knet in the OP sort of hinted this too. Plus look how out of all the foreign contestants K and even Nicholas were the most popular before the show due to their looks alone with global fans. During the show Nicholas popularity decrease due to lack of screen time and he simply didn't stand out much. Taki became the cute one. NIki and Hanbin, although some of the best dancers on the show were not getting much attention. However Mnet evil editing actually brought more attention to Niki. In a way, it sort of benefited him in the end.

Edited August 19, 2020 by satoori

[hynapia]

2 hours ago, Cosmic Warrior said:

That shows the potential of fan support from Vietnam. Hanbin had almost no screentime but still he managed to reach part 2. Imagine a vietnamese girl or boy with stronger visuals and skills. Hanbin is cute, good dancer and sings OK, but he's not the best out there. 

I agree. Hanbin is a cute boy and has decent skills but he's not a the level of visuals and skills of other contestants so if in future i-land seasons (or other survivals/groups/whatever) they introduce people with a higher level of skills and visuals they'd slay for sure. Like you said, Vietnam showed a pretty big voting/fandom power by making him pass to part 2 when he almost didn't have screentime. Also like I said many people from other countries supported him too.

[Walmart Goddess]

12 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

sure, but thats not an excuse for racism, xenophobia and prejudice (ie the constant onslaught of anti-japanese, anti-chinese, and anti-SEA comments).

and yeah, its kpop and its based in korea, but kpop groups go to those other countries to make money. so if youre profiting off of those other countries, why cant members of those nationalities comprise the groups that are making money there? so korean groups can travel to japan/china/SEA and promote there and make bank, but deny those kids the opportunity to participate in kpop? the whole reason why kpop groups have been introducing members of different nationalities in their groups for years now, as a marketing ploy for increasing viewership and fans in other countries. kpop has been very deliberately aiming for globalization from the very beginning, and that entails opening your borders to some diversity. and multinational groups have been some of the most successful, even in korea (twice, blackpink, (g)i-dle, nct, got7)

you also have a very shallow understanding of what kpop is. kpop isnt defined based on the ethnicity of the members of a group, its a GENRE OF MUSIC. the ethnicity of the members is irrelevant. yes, most are korean because its based in korea and theyre singing in korean, but ethnicity doesnt have anything to do with the "skill", the "look", the "vocals', or the "image" or whatever the hell you were trying to say. 

 

Where did i excuse any statement or comments in my last post you idiot? Point them out to me instead of randomly casting judgment. Clearly you must not know how to read because this is a literal strawman.

And if you hate Korea profiting off of other countries so much, the thing to do as a consumer is to not support them then? You want to support other asian countries? They have their own pop acts. Invest in their industries. Its that simple. Begging korea for representation when it is a country you do not belong to is acting ENTITLED. As a Thai person, i respect Korea's right to have to their own space. Every country deserves to have their own media represent their own people. Right now we have bigger things to worry about then whether a homogenous FOREIGN country is giving us representation. THe representation in my own country is horrible, colorist, and eurocentric, but no one cares about changing that (especially not you and your fake concern regarding SEA people). Thailand is home to so many half white celebrities but not a single dark skin celeb can compete with them. SEAs don't even put themselves first in their own media so expecting Korea to do it for them is ridiculous!

FYI American singers visit asian countries all the time and make money and the majority of the american music market is still White/Black. So this isn't a logical argument you're making. American singers are designed to fit what america wants. Their global activities comes after gaining success in their home country.

And yet again here you are bringing something IRRELEVANT to the convo. My last statement was in regards to the failure of Z-pop. so I won't indulge further in your last paragraph. Either actually respond to the point i was actually making or stop making up new ones to make another strawman. 

5 hours ago, Mami3chan said:

why does Kpop "Korean Pop" have to represent some other countries culture in the korean music industry? thats just being entitled as a consumer .

Kpop have some global popularity cause people got interested in the korean pop culture, i know there's a minority group of kpop fans who want to see their nationalities in kpop cause they wanna spread their own culture or whatever but those should just support their own national pop acts if they care that much its not kpop's duty to represent other cultures its the other way around kpop/kdrama is supposed to spread the Korean culture and thats what attracts the global audience even when foreign members join a kpop group they are not there to represent their culture they are there to be part of "Kpop" and spread the korean culture to bring more i-fans.. 

Exactly.

Edited August 19, 2020 by Walmart Goddess

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

12 hours ago, Walmart Goddess said:

Where did i excuse any statement or comments in my last post you idiot? Point them out to me instead of randomly casting judgment. Clearly you must not know how to read because this is a literal strawman.

And if you hate Korea profiting off of other countries so much, the thing to do as a consumer is to not support them then? You want to support other asian countries? They have their own pop acts. Invest in their industries. Its that simple. Begging korea for representation when it is a country you do not belong to is acting ENTITLED. As a Thai person, i respect Korea's right to have to their own space. Every country deserves to have their own media represent their own people. Right now we have bigger things to worry about then whether a homogenous FOREIGN country is giving us representation. THe representation in my own country is horrible, colorist, and eurocentric, but no one cares about changing that (especially not you and your fake concern regarding SEA people). Thailand is home to so many half white celebrities but not a single dark skin celeb can compete with them. SEAs don't even put themselves first in their own media so expecting Korea to do it for them is ridiculous!

FYI American singers visit asian countries all the time and make money and the majority of the american music market is still White/Black. So this isn't a logical argument you're making. American singers are designed to fit what america wants. Their global activities comes after gaining success in their home country.

And yet again here you are bringing something IRRELEVANT to the convo. My last statement was in regards to the failure of Z-pop. so I won't indulge further in your last paragraph. Either actually respond to the point i was actually making or stop making up new ones to make another strawman. 

Exactly.

honey, not everything was a direct response to something you specifically included in your comment, but an addition of my ideas to the discussion as a whole. that's what this is, a discussion based thread on a fucking online kpop forum. but you clearly are so jaded and damaged inside that youre unable to even hold a conversation without making personal insults. forget onehallyu, you need therapy and maturity 101. did i press a button? oops. 

i never explicitly said you excused those statements, but my response was budding off from your comment where you said "I don't know why people are getting mad at koreans giving themselves representation", which suggested to me that you were complicit with the backlash over the non-korean trainees on the basis of their nationality/ethnicity. which i think was a valid conclusion to come to, given how you feel about everything else. 

i dont hate koreans profiting off other countries - i think thats fine. i just think its very elitist to think you can make money in other countries without giving the people in those countries the opportunity to participate in said business. i actually do support music and artists from those other asian countries i mentioned by the way. and im actually also part viet, and completely understand the problematic nature of the southeast asian and thai entertainment industries, and its nuances. accusing me of having fake concern and taking this conversation where you did was the strawman that you were looking for, lmao. it's ironic how you were trying to accuse me of randomly casting judgement but then literally did it to me.

sigh. anyway. i dont think you realize that kpop has evolved into something greater than just koreans singing pop music. and when non-korean members are included in kpop groups, they also represent the intersection between korean culture and their adjacent culture, and so it isnt completely displacing koreans from their own cultural space. 

you can also support foreign trainees in kpop and support the artists from your own country at the same time. those things are not mutually exclusive, genius. 

im not going to continue this any further because i dont want to invest my time in someone that is very painfully obviously projecting their insecurities outward like explosive diarrhea. i hope you have a nice day sweetheart. 

Edited August 20, 2020 by jeong jaehyuns boyfriend

[Walmart Goddess]

1 hour ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

honey, not everything was a direct response to something you specifically included in your comment, but an addition of my ideas to the discussion as a whole. that's what this is, a discussion based thread on a fucking online kpop forum. but you clearly are so jaded and damaged inside that youre unable to even hold a conversation without making personal insults. forget onehallyu, you need therapy and maturity 101. did i press a button? oops. 

and so its my fault that you still quoted me with that BS then? ooookay....

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my response was budding off from your comment where you said "I don't know why people are getting mad at koreans giving themselves representation", which suggested to me that you were complicit with the backlash over the non-korean trainees on the basis of their nationality/ethnicity.

complicit with what backlash? All i did was criticize those who were acting entitled. People should treat non-koreans trainees in kpop as something extra korea does for the international fans but not a right they are entitled to. Koreans naturally will support their own just like any other race does.

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 i just think its very elitist to think you can make money in other countries without giving the people in those countries the opportunity to participate in said business.

and If they really had an issue with that one-way exchange, then their role as a consumer is to not give Koreans money and instead give their money to their local artists, how about that thought? Kpop groups were design to appeal to the korean market and not only that but to also represent korea. The fact that they were able to make it on a global stage does not set a precedence of "oh now we have to include xyz from every continent". Korea isn't a multicultural country in the first place so that wouldn't make sense. Its like how the American music market does not have an asian pop star and thats only because asians represent such a miniscule part of the population compared to the other races (ie. it wouldn't make sense business wise). Korea have made it to this point without having to add any foreign member a majority of the time and the only time they do, its for a country thats actually making them a stable amount of money (china/japan).

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i actually do support music and artists from those other asian countries i mentioned by the way. and im actually also part viet, and completely understand the problematic nature of the southeast asian and thai entertainment industries, and its nuances. accusing me of having fake concern and taking this conversation where you did was the strawman that you were looking for, lmao

good for you, that literally makes you one of the few mixed white asians that cares. Half white celebs here go around selling bleaching creams and hog all the lead acting roles despite representing less than 1% of the population. What they're doing in Thailand is 1 million times worse than Korea. Just saying.

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you can also support foreign trainees in kpop and support the artists from your own country at the same time. those things are not mutually exclusive, genius. 

never said they were mutually exclusive genius. Stop making strawmans. I said if they were so pressed for representation in pop music that they should support their own artists if thats what they were really after. But this situation with complaining about inclusion in kpop, those who make an issue of this basically see themselves as inferior to koreans and are pressed for THEIR validation which in all honesty is a very unhealthy toxic mindset and you shouldn't support it. The SEA community in general needs to build better self esteem and stop seeking validation from foreign countries. You see it in the posts above where they're citing any kind of presence in the k-ent world as some sort of "accomplishment". This desperation to be seen by others is embarrassing.

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im not going to continue this any further because i dont want to invest my time in someone that is very painfully obviously projecting their insecurities outward like explosive diarrhea. 

yeah yeah kick rocks.

[Lubbin]

That’s why Mnet is BS to me whenever they push the “global group” concept. Because they’ll do everything in their power to make it to where it’s a generally Korean group no matter what

 

Produce 48 was suppose to have a good mix of Korean & Japanese trainees. Mnet rigged it so that 3 at most made it (despite people knowing damn well Miu, Miyu, & Miho made the legitimate lineup)

Produce X 101 pushed the “global group” concept, and was 100% Korean

To Be World Klass was the biggest issue, because they heavily promoted the global concept & how this would be a group that targeted the world, but was 100% Korean when almost half the show was foreigners

 

If Mnet’s gonna be like that, than they need to just be honest & make it look like it’s aimed as a national group. No one complained about Fromis_9 being all-Korean cuz they never pushed decaf global Group concept 

Cuz the whole market as a global group just to debut all Koreans bs is all cute to them until their groups struggle to reach the global success they wanted 

 

Side note, Mnet got a lot of balls to STILL rig shows after having a whole lawsuit & reputation 

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

4 hours ago, Walmart Goddess said:

and so its my fault that you still quoted me with that BS then? ooookay....

complicit with what backlash? All i did was criticize those who were acting entitled. People should treat non-koreans trainees in kpop as something extra korea does for the international fans but not a right they are entitled to. Koreans naturally will support their own just like any other race does.

and If they really had an issue with that one-way exchange, then their role as a consumer is to not give Koreans money and instead give their money to their local artists, how about that thought? Kpop groups were design to appeal to the korean market and not only that but to also represent korea. The fact that they were able to make it on a global stage does not set a precedence of "oh now we have to include xyz from every continent". Korea isn't a multicultural country in the first place so that wouldn't make sense. Its like how the American music market does not have an asian pop star and thats only because asians represent such a miniscule part of the population compared to the other races (ie. it wouldn't make sense business wise). Korea have made it to this point without having to add any foreign member a majority of the time and the only time they do, its for a country thats actually making them a stable amount of money (china/japan).

good for you, that literally makes you one of the few mixed white asians that cares. Half white celebs here go around selling bleaching creams and hog all the lead acting roles despite representing less than 1% of the population. What they're doing in Thailand is 1 million times worse than Korea. Just saying.

never said they were mutually exclusive genius. Stop making strawmans. I said if they were so pressed for representation in pop music that they should support their own artists if thats what they were really after. But this situation with complaining about inclusion in kpop, those who make an issue of this basically see themselves as inferior to koreans and are pressed for THEIR validation which in all honesty is a very unhealthy toxic mindset and you shouldn't support it. The SEA community in general needs to build better self esteem and stop seeking validation from foreign countries. You see it in the posts above where they're citing any kind of presence in the k-ent world as some sort of "accomplishment". This desperation to be seen by others is embarrassing.

yeah yeah kick rocks.

not going to reply to the rest of your projectile insecurity bullshit, but i just wanted to point out that im not half white or part anything white, im han chinese, dai, and viet. but im sure you'll also have other prejudiced comments to say to me now that you know that. who's the one making assumptions, jumping to faulty conclusions, and being judgemental here? seems like it's you. and girl you love to throw around the word strawman without really knowing what it means (and then make real strawmans yourself in the next sentence). again... you clearly have no semblance of respect and are not able to hold a normal conversation without throwing around personal insults to the other person's intelligence or something else. which FYI, makes you look like the one that lacks intelligence lol. if you have more to gain from arguing with people online, then go for it, but im pretty much done.

[Walmart Goddess]

3 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

not going to reply to the rest of your projectile insecurity bullshit, but i just wanted to point out that im not half white or part anything white, im han chinese, dai, and viet. but im sure you'll also have other prejudiced comments to say to me now that you know that. who's the one making assumptions, jumping to faulty conclusions, and being judgemental here? seems like it's you. and girl you love to throw around the word strawman without really knowing what it means (and then make real strawmans yourself in the next sentence). again... you clearly have no semblance of respect and are not able to hold a normal conversation without throwing around personal insults to the other person's intelligence or something else. which FYI, makes you look like the one that lacks intelligence lol. if you have more to gain from arguing with people online, then go for it, but im pretty much done.

LOL. This is the 2nd post of you telling me that "you're not going to reply" yet you still do. Make up your mind instead of sending me more butthurt posts please.

Prejudiced assumptions on what? Im also part dai. You're not making any sense.

Yes i do have something to gain from it. Its called spreading the truth and helping others stop attention seeking behavior and realize their own worth is not valued by whether or not they are seen by foreign countries.

Edited August 20, 2020 by Walmart Goddess

[Mami3chan]

12 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

kpop has evolved into something greater than just koreans singing pop music.

no kpop is just Korean pop nothing greater than that a fast food is still fast food regardless of how big/popular it is

12 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

and when non-korean members are included in kpop groups, they also represent the intersection between korean culture and their adjacent culture.

non-korean members are there to attract more i-fans and represent Korean culture as a non-korean member by being able to speak another language for example.

what you are saying is Completely false otherwise Twice Sana shouldn't have been dragged down to hell for celebrating HER culture ^^ 

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

6 hours ago, Walmart Goddess said:

LOL. This is the 2nd post of you telling me that "you're not going to reply" yet you still do. Make up your mind instead of sending me more butthurt posts please.

Prejudiced assumptions on what? Im also part dai. You're not making any sense.

Yes i do have something to gain from it. Its called spreading the truth and helping others stop attention seeking behavior and realize their own worth is not valued by whether or not they are seen by foreign countries.

going to respond one last time to piss u off <333 the only thing i have to say before i block you is that i hope you take some time to find a REALLY good therapist! u really need it  i love how YOU are everything that you call me. you have epitomized the essence of butthurt and attention seeking. keep trying to convince yourself that youre doing meaningful activism by insulting people online and projecting your inferiority complex and fake intellect on a kpop forum. walmart goddess huh? that's a very fitting name, as im sure everything you are in life is walmart quality and will never amount to anything more. as long as you have this attitude, that is. good luck to your future therapist  

Edited August 21, 2020 by jeong jaehyuns boyfriend

[Walmart Goddess]

1 hour ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

going to respond one last time to piss u off <333 the only thing i have to say before i block you is that i hope you take some time to find a REALLY good therapist! u really need it  i love how YOU are everything that you call me. you have epitomized the essence of butthurt and attention seeking. keep trying to convince yourself that youre doing meaningful activism by insulting people online and projecting your inferiority complex and fake intellect on a kpop forum. walmart goddess huh? that's a very fitting name, as im sure everything you are in life is walmart quality and will never amount to anything more. as long as you have this attitude, that is. good luck to your future therapist  

Korea doesnt owe anybody representation. Facts!