[theqoo] GLOBAL VIEWERS CLAIM THAT I-LAND ONLY FAVORABLE TOWARDS KOREANS AND IS DISCRIMINATORY

[A Hamster Named Loneliness]

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2. The Japanese and Vietnamese viewers are also only supporting their own trainees, so why can't Koreans?ㅋㅋㅋ And to be honest, many of the Korean picks are also the ones that the foreigners are picking and we pretty much already know who the debut group is, I think people pretty much agree on this already

hold up, there are Vietnamese trainees in I-LAND?! 

[satoori]

37 minutes ago, A Hamster Named Loneliness said:

hold up, there are Vietnamese trainees in I-LAND?! 

yes, hanbin  (Ngô Ngọc Hưng)

he's the leader of a popular dance team, C.A.C.

[Walmart Goddess]

11 hours ago, MysticCherryBlossom said:

 

The only truly global Asian group are the Z-groups, and no one supports them so...

No one supports them because they make no fucking sense. A Pop group should be made based on skill and a certain look, but never based on nationality alone. You lower the standard by doing that. Vocally they were a mess and image wise they didn't make sense. Thats why they failed. The "omg all different asians" gimmick wears off FAST.

There is no reason to have 4 different regions into one group. Just pick one region and stick with it.

Also i don't know why people are getting mad at koreans giving themselves representation. Isn't it THEIR country? The only country obligated to give you representation in pop music is your own country. 

Edited August 18, 2020 by Walmart Goddess

[MysticCherryBlossom]

6 hours ago, Walmart Goddess said:

No one supports them because they make no fucking sense. A Pop group should be made based on skill and a certain look, but never based on nationality alone. You lower the standard by doing that. Vocally they were a mess and image wise they didn't make sense. Thats why they failed. The "omg all different asians" gimmick wears off FAST.

There is no reason to have 4 different regions into one group. Just pick one region and stick with it.

Also i don't know why people are getting mad at koreans giving themselves representation. Isn't it THEIR country? The only country obligated to give you representation in pop music is your own country. 

No one is mad though. I don't know if that little line was targeted towards my post.

Koreans can do what they want. Like, I said, I just don't know what the emphasis is on making a global group is when all they really want is Korean members. What was the point in opening the voting up to I-FANS if Koreans were going to get 2 votes? Even if the Korean members are more popular anyway, the intentions were clear.

All it really does is disappoint the people who actually buy and read into that narrative. Case in point, this post.

I could careless what I-Land's end group looks like as I haven't followed the show or voted.

As for the Z groups, I didn't follow them either, so all what you're saying may be true. 

[satoori]

1 hour ago, MysticCherryBlossom said:

What was the point in opening the voting up to I-FANS if Koreans were going to get 2 votes? Even if the Korean members are more popular anyway, the intentions were clear.

All it really does is disappoint the people who actually buy and read into that narrative. Case in point, this post.

No matter the situation, global fans are important too. Kpop groups are global groups. They have auditions all over the world. They do not just promote locally they promote all over the world. These are things we all know. So opening up votes to global fans is not unexpected. 

See that's the thing, the majority of ifans are not disappointed. There was no narrative. Therefor the only ones who MIGHT be disappointed are the small few who made a wrong assumption. Yes, some people thought the group was going to bigger, but the ranking itself has never really been an issue. Many of the Korean trainees have always been popular with ifans. K (Japanese) was sort of popular, but the other 4 foreign trainees have not been as popular during Part 1 of the show. Many ifans did not pick them as their Top 6 during the first voting.

edit: Apparently it's not automatic. Kfans have the option to vote on U+ app too. Which is only available in Korea. So it seems kfans only get two votes, IF they vote on both U+ and Weverse.

 

Edited August 18, 2020 by satoori

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, MysticCherryBlossom said:

No one is mad though. I don't know if that little line was targeted towards my post.

Koreans can do what they want. Like, I said, I just don't know what the emphasis is on making a global group is when all they really want is Korean members. What was the point in opening the voting up to I-FANS if Koreans were going to get 2 votes? Even if the Korean members are more popular anyway, the intentions were clear.

All it really does is disappoint the people who actually buy and read into that narrative. Case in point, this post.

I could careless what I-Land's end group looks like as I haven't followed the show or voted.

As for the Z groups, I didn't follow them either, so all what you're saying may be true. 

That's why I said before that the whole "global oriented group" and putting foreign members and opening the global vote were basically to lure more i-fans (especially from countries like Japan, China/Taiwan, Vietnam and other SEA countries), but it's pretty clear they intented to have an all or almost all Korean line up since the beginning. Not that I mind, but it's undeniable that the intentions were obvious.

[hynapia]

11 hours ago, Angel_Nessa said:

"BTS is amazing for only having Korean members" - after reading this knetizen comment, I realized that Koreans really like and support more  Korean boygroups with only K-members.  

For girlgroups it seems ok to have foreign members, but for boygroups it's hard to get popular in Korea, that's the case of NCT and GOT7 that are a way more popular overseas than in Korea. Exceptions: EXO and WANNAONE. 

Today on Twitter, I saw on trending topics people asking to debut all the 12 members instead of 7, maybe they'll make it happen.   

 

There's Seventeen too, they have 2 chinese members and they're popular both in Korea and internationally. And during 2PM's peak days, Nichkhun was considered an it boy and he's chinese-thai. Henry (from SuJu-M and then solo) was pretty popular in Korea too and from GOT7 Jackson is precisely the more recognizable in Korea. But yeah, in general I've noticed that too. GGs with foreign members tend to do as well as all-Korean GGs. I mean, G-idle is literally 50% Korean and 50% foreigner and they do well both in Korea and internationally. Twice has 4/9 foreign memebers and they're still considered the nation gg. Izone has 3 japanese members too and they're also popular both in Korea and outside so in general yeah.

[satoori]

6 minutes ago, hynapia said:

There's Seventeen too, they have 2 chinese members and they're popular both in Korea and internationally. And during 2PM's peak days, Nichkhun was considered an it boy and he's chinese-thai. Henry (from SuJu-M and then solo) was pretty popular in Korea too and from GOT7 Jackson is precisely the more recognizable in Korea. But yeah, in general I've noticed that too. GGs with foreign members tend to do as well as all-Korean GGs. I mean, G-idle is literally 50% Korean and 50% foreigner and they do well both in Korea and internationally. Twice has 4/9 foreign memebers and they're still considered the nation gg. Izone has 3 japanese members too and they're also popular both in Korea and outside so in general yeah.

most of these groups are majority korean.

putting 1-2 foreigners in the final line up of i-land will basically make the ratio the same as most of these groups.

exactly my point about how global auditions work for kpop companies...

Edited August 18, 2020 by satoori

[MysticCherryBlossom]

28 minutes ago, satoori said:

No matter the situation, global fans are important too. Kpop groups are global groups. They have auditions all over the world. They do not just promote locally they promote all over the world. These are things we all know. So opening up votes to global fans is not unexpected. 

See that's the thing, the majority of ifans are not disappointed. There was no narrative. Therefor the only ones who MIGHT be disappointed are the small few who made a wrong assumption. Yes, some people thought the group was going to bigger, but the ranking itself has never really been an issue. Many of the Korean trainees have always been popular with ifans. K (Japanese) was sort of popular, but the other 4 foreign trainees have not been as popular during Part 1 of the show. Many ifans did not pick them as their Top 6 during the first voting.

edit: Apparently it's not automatic. Kfans have the option to vote on U+ app too. Which is only available in Korea. So it seems kfans only get two votes, IF they vote on both U+ and Weverse.

 

The issue isn't I-FANs voting. It's the fact Koreans have the option to vote twice, which is a little unfair.

I get some people don't agree with that thought, but just my opinion.

Edited August 18, 2020 by MysticCherryBlossom

[satoori]

2 minutes ago, MysticCherryBlossom said:

The issue isn't I-FANs voting. It's the fact Koreans get 2 votes, if that is true.

i mean, you asked why even open it up to global fans? and i answered you.

kfans having two votes don't really seem to be helping anyone in my opinion. since global fans basically out number koreans even with their potential 2 vote (if they remember to vote on both apps). the show listed which countries the trainees were popular in.

Edited August 18, 2020 by satoori

[MysticCherryBlossom]

1 minute ago, satoori said:

i mean, you asked why even open it up to global fans? and i answered you.

kfans having two votes don't really seem to be helping anyone in my opinion. since global fans basically out number koreans even with their potential 2 vote (if they remember to vote on both apps). the show listed which countries the trainees were popular in.

I mean that's fine.

That doesn't really change my opinion though.

[satoori]

Just now, MysticCherryBlossom said:

I mean that's fine.

That doesn't really change my opinion though.

and that's perfectly fine to keep your opinion.

 

in my opinion, i don't really care if koreans votes count twice (an "attempt" to try to give them some sort of voice among all the global fans lol ><). it's a korean show, a korean-pop group and the korean entertainment industry. at the end of the day, i always assumed the group was going to be majority korean base on how it was marketed as the next global group like bts.

[hynapia]

22 minutes ago, satoori said:

most of these groups are majority korean.

putting 1-2 foreigners in the final line up of i-land will basically make the ratio the same as most of these groups.

exactly my point about how global auditions work for kpop companies...

But I literally never said half of the group has to be foreigners, just that they put them in the show and that they opened the global vote to lure more i-fans thinking some contestants from their countries could have a chance (I've seen this a lot with vietnamese fans who root for Hanbin for example) but it's pretty obvious mnet has never had the intention to put him in the group. I mean, they barely even showed him in the show so you can't even see his real potential or skills to begin with. They also evil edited K that was the only foreigner that had a shot to be in the line up so I keep thinking the "foreigners" are only there to appeal more global fans from those countries but the group is almost surely gonna be enterely Korean.

Edited August 18, 2020 by hynapia

[satoori]

13 minutes ago, hynapia said:

But I literally never said half of the group has to be foreigners, just that they put them in the show and that they opened the global vote to lure more i-fans thinking some contestants from their countries could have a chance (I've seen this a lot with vietnamese fans who root for Hanbin for example) but it's pretty obvious mnet has never had the intention to put him in the group. I mean, they barely even showed him in the show so you can't even see his real potential or skills to begin with.

as global as the kpop industry is today and how the show was marketed with bighit/bts, it would have been even more weird not having foreign contestants and open voting to global fans.

the foreign trainees chances of getting in the final lineup is basically the same as all the koreans. yet no one is here complaining about all the korean trainees who did not even make it to part 2. (they had fans rooting for them too....)

why do you keep talking about mnet? they're not the ones controlling this show? ><;;

Edited August 18, 2020 by satoori

[hynapia]

11 minutes ago, satoori said:

as global as the kpop industry is today and how the show was marketed with bighit/bts, it would have been even more weird not having foreign contestants and open voting to global fans.

the foreign trainees chances of getting in the final lineup is basically the same as all the koreans. yet no one is here complaining about all the korean trainees who did not even make it to part 2. (they had fans rooting for them too....)

why do you keep talking about mnet? they're not the ones controlling this show? ><;;

You know that's not true. With Hanbin and Nicholas for example they almost never showed them. I get they were in the "ground" majority of the time but that's not an excuse because they showed korean grounders like Sunoo, Daniel, EJ, Kyungmin etc. Not to mention how they constantly evil edit the japanese contestants, especially Niki in part 1 and now they're doing the same with K in part 2. The only Korean contestant I saw clearly evil edited was Seon and he was eliminated at the end so...And with the other Korean contestants that were eliminated it was pretty clear they didn't have intentions to debut them from the beginning. I think the only reason why 4/5 foreigners passed to Part 2 was to keep i-fans from those countries watching, but I'm almost sure the whole group will be Korean at the end, especially now that the only foreigner that had a chance (K) has been evil edited and lots of people have dropped him.

The final group is almost surely gonna be Heeseung, Sunghoon, Jungwon, Jake, Jay, Sunoo and maybe Daniel.

And I mean, the show is being aired/hosted by mnet too, no? And everyone knows mnet love to evil edit contestants and stuff like that.

[satoori]

57 minutes ago, hynapia said:

You know that's not true. With Hanbin and Nicholas for example they almost never showed them. I get they were in the "ground" majority of the time but that's not an excuse because they showed korean grounders like Sunoo, Daniel, EJ, Kyungmin etc. Not to mention how they constantly evil edit the japanese contestants, especially Niki in part 1 and now they're doing the same with K in part 2. The only Korean contestant I saw clearly evil edited was Seon and he was eliminated at the end so...And with the other Korean contestants that were eliminated it was pretty clear they didn't have intentions to debut them from the beginning. I think the only reason why 4/5 foreigners passed to Part 2 was to keep i-fans from those countries watching, but I'm almost sure the whole group will be Korean at the end, especially now that the only foreigner that had a chance (K) has been evil edited and lots of people have dropped him.

The final group is almost surely gonna be Heeseung, Sunghoon, Jungwon, Jake, Jay, Sunoo and maybe Daniel.

And I mean, the show is being aired/hosted by mnet too, no? And everyone knows mnet love to evil edit contestants and stuff like that.

There were 23 contestants all together. I agree about Nicholas. He didn't stand out. However disagree about Hanbin and the rest of the foreign contestants. They got more screen time then half the Korean trainees. Which is why most people are not surprised by the 12 that has moved on to part two. (4 out 5 of the foreigners. and 8 out of 18 Koreans.)

In part one of the show mainly Niki was the foreign trainee with evil editing. Many ifans didn't like some of the things he said. That whole Heeseung drama. Other Japanese contestants K and Taki was well liked. Always had support from either the mentors and/or fans. As I've been saying in this discussion, Hanbin was not one of the popular ones with global fans, overall. He didn't stand out much on the show. I constantly saw ifans saying he was a good dancer, but didn't see him in the final lineup and/or simply didn't vote for him. Even Niki got more support later once ifans felt bad about the whole evil editing by mnet. 

Mnet is the channel it's broadcast on and doing the editing. But Bighit and Belift are the ones making other decisions. 

Edited August 18, 2020 by satoori

[satoori]

37 minutes ago, hynapia said:

The final group is almost surely gonna be Heeseung, Sunghoon, Jungwon, Jake, Jay, Sunoo and maybe Daniel.

OT: Unless things change drastically during part two of the show. The group will most likely be a majority Korean, I Agree. I would be surprised if more than 2 foreign trainees make the final line up.

For starters, Heeseung, Sunghoon, Jay, Jake, and Sunoo are currently fan favorites all over the world. That's already 5 spots potentially taken. Daniel the maknae is apparently really popular too (plus the most recent episode showed his potential of being a main rapper and lyricist) and Geonu is a vocalist people like. 

However I feel there might be one JPN member either K or Niki. Personally if I had to pick it would be Niki. Other than his visuals and great body proportions K doesn't bring anything much to the table. Niki on the other hand is the best dancer on the show. But there are also a lot of sympathy and support for Taki from ifans.

Jungwon and Hanbin, I don't know. Depends. Jungwon though has decent vocals too. He stood out in his group performance on Episode 1.

Honestly I don't know. 7 seems to small for this group.

But I think the best part about the show moving only 12 contestants to part two is all of us will be able to see their skills, charms and it factor.

[hynapia]

2 hours ago, satoori said:

OT: Unless things change drastically during part two of the show. The group will most likely be a majority Korean, I Agree. I would be surprised if more than 2 foreign trainees make the final line up.

For starters, Heeseung, Sunghoon, Jay, Jake, and Sunoo are currently fan favorites all over the world. That's already 5 spots potentially taken. Daniel the maknae is apparently really popular too (plus the most recent episode showed his potential of being a main rapper and lyricist) and Geonu is a vocalist people like. 

However I feel there might be one JPN member either K or Niki. Personally if I had to pick it would be Niki. Other than his visuals and great body proportions K doesn't bring anything much to the table. Niki on the other hand is the best dancer on the show. But there are also a lot of sympathy and support for Taki from ifans.

Jungwon and Hanbin, I don't know. Depends. Jungwon though has decent vocals too. He stood out in his group performance on Episode 1.

Honestly I don't know. 7 seems to small for this group.

But I think the best part about the show moving only 12 contestants to part two is all of us will be able to see their skills, charms and it factor.

Jungwon is definitely making it tbh. He's constantly scored very high in the performances and he's the only one along with Heeseung, Sunghoon and K that has never stepped foot in the ground so that means he's well liked by producers and contestants. He might isn't that popular internationally but he's well liked in Korea for his flower boy visuals (there was even an article about him translated here if I'm not mistaken). K has great visuals and he's a capable performer. He really stood out to me in the unit performance and many other people thought the same but with the recent evil editing he's definitely not making it because a lot of people have dropped him. Geonu is actually rumored to be eliminated this week but idk. I saw a post before in twitter saying that initially the group was gonna be 7, but they could change their mind depending on what the audience really wants or if certain contestants prove that they deserve to debut (so kinda like YGTB) so it's possible they can bring back eliminated contestants with a wild card or something. So far the most secured ones are Heeseung and Sunghoon imo anyway.

Hanbin is definitely not making it tho. Like I said before, they barely showed him in part 1 (maybe a bit more than certain korean contestants that got 0 screentime like Jimin, Jaeho or Sungchul) but in general he didn't get that much screentime and he basically only has the vietnam/SEA vote.

Edited August 18, 2020 by hynapia

[satoori]

9 minutes ago, hynapia said:

Jungwon is definitely making it tbh. He's constantly scored very high in the performances and he's the only one along with Heeseung, Sunghoon and K that has never stepped foot in the ground so that means he's well liked by producers and contestants. He might isn't that popular internationally but he's well liked in Korea for his flower boy visuals (there was even an article about him translated here if I'm not mistaken). K has great visuals and he's a capable performer. He really stood out to me in the unit performance and many other people thought the same but with the recent evil editing he's definitely not making it because a lot of people have dropped him. Geonu is actually rumored to be eliminated this week but idk. I saw a post before in twitter saying that initially the group was gonna be 7, but they could change their mind depending on what the audience really wants or if certain contestants prove that they deserve to debut (so kinda like YGTB) so it's possible they can bring back eliminated contestants with a wild card or something. So far the most secured ones are Heeseung and Sunghoon imo anyway.

Hanbin is definitely not making it tho. Like I said before, they barely showed him in part 1 (maybe a bit more than certain korean contestants that got 0 screentime like Jimin, Jaeho or Sungchul) but in general he didn't get that much screentime and he basically only has the vietnam/SEA vote.

There's a total of 4 missions(?) The subs went off for me during that part, so I'm not sure ><. But I believe only 2 will be open to fan voting, and the other 2 will be for the mentors. I feel the elimatians base on the mentors vote is where we might see some surprises. 

Yea Jungwon was mentioned in that post. Kyungmin also, but he was eliminated.

Evil edit or not, K opinions and reactions are honest. Always have been. Personally I don't mind Mnet showing him being honest. However i know not everyone  thinks like me and will dislike him for it. So...

Yea I don't think Handbin will either. Fans are only able to vote for two trainees I believe. So yea his chances are low, since he's always been sort of in the middle.

Ughh I saw the rumor about Geonu..TT

Honestly I'm no longer sure about Heeseung either. I'm only sure of Sunghoon.

 

 

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

On 8/18/2020 at 12:18 AM, Walmart Goddess said:

No one supports them because they make no fucking sense. A Pop group should be made based on skill and a certain look, but never based on nationality alone. You lower the standard by doing that. Vocally they were a mess and image wise they didn't make sense. Thats why they failed. The "omg all different asians" gimmick wears off FAST.

There is no reason to have 4 different regions into one group. Just pick one region and stick with it.

Also i don't know why people are getting mad at koreans giving themselves representation. Isn't it THEIR country? The only country obligated to give you representation in pop music is your own country. 

sure, but thats not an excuse for racism, xenophobia and prejudice (ie the constant onslaught of anti-japanese, anti-chinese, and anti-SEA comments).

and yeah, its kpop and its based in korea, but kpop groups go to those other countries to make money. so if youre profiting off of those other countries, why cant members of those nationalities comprise the groups that are making money there? so korean groups can travel to japan/china/SEA and promote there and make bank, but deny those kids the opportunity to participate in kpop? the whole reason why kpop groups have been introducing members of different nationalities in their groups for years now, as a marketing ploy for increasing viewership and fans in other countries. kpop has been very deliberately aiming for globalization from the very beginning, and that entails opening your borders to some diversity. and multinational groups have been some of the most successful, even in korea (twice, blackpink, (g)i-dle, nct, got7)

you also have a very shallow understanding of what kpop is. kpop isnt defined based on the ethnicity of the members of a group, its a GENRE OF MUSIC. the ethnicity of the members is irrelevant. yes, most are korean because its based in korea and theyre singing in korean, but ethnicity doesnt have anything to do with the "skill", the "look", the "vocals', or the "image" or whatever the hell you were trying to say. 

 

Edited August 19, 2020 by jeong jaehyuns boyfriend

[satoori]

 

6 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

 kpop isnt defined based on the ethnicity of the members of a group, its a GENRE OF MUSIC. the ethnicity of the members is irrelevant. yes, most are korean because its based in korea and theyre singing in korean, but ethnicity doesnt have anything to do with the "skill", the "look", the "vocals', or the "image" or whatever the hell you were trying to say. 

 

Not commenting on everything that person said, y'all can keep that debate.

However this part about Kpop being a "genre"...hmmm idk

 

The genre is pop. The K is the industry and cultural. The country of the popular music, produced commercially. In my opinion Kpop is not a genre. It's no different then how people think of Jpop, British pop, and more. Korean idols have Japanese songs, but we don't call them Jpop artists.

Inveibally when researching music people expect the majority of a country's industry to have local artists. Of course, that does not mean outside cultures can't enter the market or even work in it. But it isn't odd for citizens to want to see and hear artists of their own culture and/or ethnicity. e.g. Black people in the U.S. want more representation in the American entertainment industry. However the way some knetz talk about this topic is very ugly.

Edited August 19, 2020 by satoori

[Moruk Laplamiz]

This is the first time Vietnam has a real try in the world of Kpop. I think Bighit is testing the water on what reactions and support a vietnamese trainee will get, and they got the their answer. Having a vietnamese member in a Kpop group could get big support from the country. Just as Dita from Secret Number in Indonesia.. 

I'm at peace with Hanbin likely not debuting. He already opened the door for future vietnamese trainees by joining a big show runned by CJ and Bighit, and I'm pretty confident we'll see a very talented vietnamese Kpop idol one day soon. Not to say Hanbin isn't but there are many who are levels above him. 

Edited August 19, 2020 by Cosmic Warrior

[satoori]

Just now, Cosmic Warrior said:

This is the first time Vietnam has a real try in the world of Kpop. I think Bighit is testing the water on what reactions and support a vietnamese trainee will get, and they got the their answer. Having a vietnamese member in a Kpop group could get big support from the country. Just as Dita from Secret Number in Indonesia.. 

I'm at peace with Hanbin doesn't make it. He already opened the door for future vietnamese trainees trying out in Kpop and I'm pretty confident we'll see a very talented vietnamese Kpop idol one day soon. Not to say Hanbin isn't but there are many who are levels above him. 

Agree! More and more Korean entertainment companies are opening their auditions to more than the usual countries: Japan, US,, Taiwan, and Korea.
Thailand, Singapore and Australia were added a few years ago. And it seems more SEA countries like Vietnam and Indonesia are being looked at.

In relations to Bighit. I-land opened their doors to Vietnam, and the new girl auditions were held in 16 cities last year too. 2 of them being in Vietnam.

Spoiler

Saturday, October 5 – Los Angeles and New York City
Saturday, October 12 – Perth and Singapore
Sunday, October 13 – Melbourne
Saturday, October 19 – Busan, Gwangju, Osaka, Sapporo and Taipei
Sunday, October 20 – Seoul, Tokyo and Kaohsiung
Saturday, October 26 – Hanoi and Bangkok
Sunday, October 27 – Ho Chi Minh

https://www.nme.com/news/music/big-hit-entertainment-global-auditions-new-k-pop-girl-group-2545017

 

[satoori]

OT: The Korean music industry is very different than many other music industries. It's one of the most imported industries in the world. Kpop isn't powerful because of domestic citizens, but rather because It's supported heavily by globally. And many of these fans would love to see their culture being represented in the Korean music industry. A foreign industry they follow actively.

From the perspective of the Korean industry that's probably a task that's difficult to accomplish(?) On one end they want to continue making the listeners of their domestic market happy and proudly represent their home country. On the other end they want to keep the billions of international fans from many different countries supporting the industry happy too.

Edited August 19, 2020 by satoori

[Mami3chan]

25 minutes ago, satoori said:

And many of these fans would love to see their culture being represented in the Korean music industry

why does Kpop "Korean Pop" have to represent some other countries culture in the korean music industry? thats just being entitled as a consumer .

Kpop have some global popularity cause people got interested in the korean pop culture, i know there's a minority group of kpop fans who want to see their nationalities in kpop cause they wanna spread their own culture or whatever but those should just support their own national pop acts if they care that much its not kpop's duty to represent other cultures its the other way around kpop/kdrama is supposed to spread the Korean culture and thats what attracts the global audience even when foreign members join a kpop group they are not there to represent their culture they are there to be part of "Kpop" and spread the korean culture to bring more i-fans.. 

Edited August 19, 2020 by Mami3chan