[theqoo] GLOBAL VIEWERS CLAIM THAT I-LAND ONLY FAVORABLE TOWARDS KOREANS AND IS DISCRIMINATORY

[satoori]

GLOBAL VIEWERS CLAIM THAT I-LAND ONLY FAVORABLE TOWARDS KOREANS AND IS DISCRIMINATORY

They already have full of prejudices against Mnet
And they claim that they only want Koreans to debut

original post: theqoo

1. It's because it's a Korean group you Iroaches

2. The Japanese and Vietnamese viewers are also only supporting their own trainees, so why can't Koreans?ㅋㅋㅋ And to be honest, many of the Korean picks are also the ones that the foreigners are picking and we pretty much already know who the debut group is, I think people pretty much agree on this already

3. I knew that this would happen the moment we open the votes to foreignersㅋㅋ

4. They're going to be promoting in Korea and the ones spending the most money in here are the Koreans?

5. But those RTs are so little so I hope this is only a minority of them

6. I know that Hanbinie is a kind kid, but neither his charms nor his talent are debut-worthy yet, so it's true that he's not a popular kid. Their victim mentality is too solid. I really hope that even the domestic fans stop dramatizing Hanbin

7. It's a Korean program and the group will be debuting in Korea, so this is how the votes work, why are they talking about discrimination? ㅋㅋ

8. But they f*cking show the Japanese trainees all the time so what are they talking about?

9. F*cking hilarious, are they claiming that Koreans are the ones making Hanbin not famous?

10. If you want to complain, then make your own survival show and debut whoever you want f*ck ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

 

Global viewers say I-LAND only likes Koreans and discriminates against foreigners

1. Because it’s the Korean show and we are forming a K-pop group

2. Southeast Asians, Chinese, Japanese, please don’t let them debutㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

3. If you have that kind of charisma, Koreans will vote for you. Please believe in Koreans and wait!

4. That’s why I hate foreign members

5. Well then, don’t debut in Korea but do it by doing survival program in your country~~

6. That’s why I wish there were no Southeast Asian members… Southeast Asia fans are the worst

7. Because it’s the Korean survival programㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

8. I like Hanbin but his ability and charisma aren’t enough to debut so he’s not popular..

9. So they are saying we discriminate against foreigners..? They don’t see many foreign members that are popular in Korea such as Lucas, Lisa..

10. Then don’t consume Kpop. It’s natural because it’s Kpop

[satoori]

hmmmm not sure how to respond to this...

some knetz are being ugly with their comments ><

at the same time there are korean trainees more popular with globals viewers too

K had a lot of support early on before the show, but even his popularity has dropped. taki and niki is rising, but still don't surpass some of the popular korean trainees. hanbin sort of always been in the middle of 23 trainees.

even recent viki poll:

 

maybe things will change as part 2 of the show continues, idk

[satoori]

"But those RTs are so little so I hope this is only a minority of them"

 

yea,  this is the first time i've seen complaints like this..

[starsocks]

It does seem kind of weird, there has to be some sort of logistical reason, right?

[satoori]

Just now, choiyujins said:

It does seem kind of weird, there has to be some sort of logistical reason, right?

what seem weird?

[starsocks]

1 minute ago, satoori said:

what seem weird?

That korean audiences can vote twice, is there some sort of practical reasoning for it?

[satoori]

Just now, choiyujins said:

That korean audiences can vote twice, is there some sort of practical reasoning for it?

i wasn't even aware korean votes counted twice. are we even sure that's true?

but even if it is true?...the only reason i can think of is it's a "korean" show.

[starsocks]

Just now, satoori said:

i wasn't even aware korean votes counted twice. are we even sure that's true?

but even if it is true?...the only reason i can think of is it's a "korean" show.

Idk ?? I doubt it's some conspiracy though

I tend to agree with knetz when they roast intl fans though because it's 90% of the time it's just tween twitter stans being annoying

[satoori]

10 minutes ago, choiyujins said:

Idk ?? I doubt it's some conspiracy though

I tend to agree with knetz when they roast intl fans though because it's 90% of the time it's just tween twitter stans being annoying

yea i doubt it too.

i feel this is a minority of ifans on twitter(?) because korean trainees like heeseung, sunghoon, jay, jake, and etc. have always been more popular globally. (e.g. we can see that on viki polls too). it's not a surprise to really anyone the korean trainees who made it to part 2.

the 4 out 5 foreigners made it to part 2 is an achievement.

i guess some fans are starting to worry about who will make the final group. with the reveal of the group being 7 members. probably got some people worried about their favs making it.

Edited August 17, 2020 by satoori

[starsocks]

1 minute ago, satoori said:

same

i feel this is a minority of ifans on twitter(?) because korean trainees like heeseung, sunghoon, jay, jake, and etc. have always been more popular globally. (e.g. we can see that on viki polls too). it's not a surprise to really anyone the korean trainees who made it to part 2.

the 4 out 5 foreigners made it to part 2 is an achievement.

i guess some fans are starting to worry about who will make the final group. with the reveal of the group being 7 members. probably got some people worried about their favs making it.

I think things will probably become clearer when we settle into the ranking system

[satoori]

Just now, choiyujins said:

I think things will probably become clearer when we settle into the ranking system

agree

 

[MysticCherryBlossom]

I honestly don't even know why they call shows like this "global" or say they are making a "global" group when it is pretty obvious it is still majorly focused towards Koreans and Korean trainees.

Majority of the members will be Korean, and they MIGHT have 2 or 3 foreign members.

The only truly global Asian group are the Z-groups, and no one supports them so...

[satoori]

11 minutes ago, MysticCherryBlossom said:

I honestly don't even know why they call shows like this "global" or say they are making a "global" group when it is pretty obvious it is still majorly focused towards Koreans and Korean trainees.

Majority of the members will be Korean, and they MIGHT have 2 or 3 foreign members.

The only truly global Asian group are the Z-groups, and no one supports them so...

true.

3 out of 7 would be...interesting..

i-land was basically marketed as a kpop group. goal to produce the perfect idol group using Bighit knowledge.

however they did open voting up to global viewers. 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2020 by satoori

[Xin]

2. Southeast Asians, Chinese, Japanese, please don’t let them debutㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

4. That’s why I hate foreign members

6. That’s why I wish there were no Southeast Asian members… Southeast Asia fans are the worst

 

Oops, the racism jumped out.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, MysticCherryBlossom said:

I honestly don't even know why they call shows like this "global" or say they are making a "global" group when it is pretty obvious it is still majorly focused towards Koreans and Korean trainees.

Majority of the members will be Korean, and they MIGHT have 2 or 3 foreign members.

The only truly global Asian group are the Z-groups, and no one supports them so...

at least a japanese trainee and american/australian ones could actually debut in i-land. mnet had their own global group survival last year with world klass, half of the trainees got to debut (so 10 out of 20) and the closest the final group has to a foreign member is the leader who studied in myanmar lol (there was chinese, hongkongese, japanese, australian and american trainees on the show)

Edited August 17, 2020 by muesli

[hynapia]

What I don't get is why mnet always market their shows with the "global group" thing (produce, world klass, i-land) and emphasize in the "global members" but then they clearly want an all Korean line up or 1-2 foreigners at most. Even X1 was an all-Korean group and Tony was the only foreigner in the top 20. WK eliminated all the foreign members and TOO's line up is enterely Korean so I'm pretty sure the same will happen this time. Heeseung, Seunghoon, Jungwon, Jay, Jake and Sunoo are basically secured and they're all Korean or Korean-American/Australian, and the last member could be a foreigner, probably K or Niki, but since they evil edited K I'm more inclined to Niki. I definitely don't see more than 1 foreigner making it and it's okay if they want an all or almost all Korean group but then they shouldn't emphatize in the "global" aspect or in having "global members" so much.

Also, Hanbin stans can be very annoying but it's pretty obvious mnet is only using him to get SEA views/votes, because they don't have any intention to have him in the final group (not that he's very outstanding either to begin with).

Edited August 17, 2020 by hynapia

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, muesli said:

at least a japanese trainee and american/australian ones could actually debut in i-land. mnet had their own global group survival last year with world klass, half of the trainees got to debut (so 10 out of 20) and the closest the final group has to a foreign member is the leader who studied in myanmar lol (there was chinese, hongkongese, japanese, australian and american trainees on the show)

and even then, the american/australian trainees (jay, jake and daniel) are ethnically korean so it'd be like marketing stray kids as "global group with foreign members" just because 2 of them are born in australia lol.

[satoori]

17 minutes ago, hynapia said:

What I don't get is why mnet always market their shows with the "global group" thing (produce, world klass, i-land) and emphasize in the "global members" but then they clearly want an all Korean line up or 1-2 foreigners at most. Even X1 was an all-Korean group and Tony was the only foreigner in the top 20. WK eliminated all the foreign members and TOO's line up is enterely Korean so I'm pretty sure the same will happen this time. Heeseung, Seunghoon, Jungwon, Jay, Jake and Sunoo are basically secured and they're all Korean or Korean-American/Australian, and the last member could be a foreigner, probably K or Niki, but since they evil edited K I'm more inclined to Niki. I definitely don't see more than 1 foreigner making it and it's okay if they want an all or almost all Korean group but then they shouldn't emphatize in the "global" aspect or in having "global members" so much.

Also, Hanbin stans can be very annoying but it's pretty obvious mnet is only using him to get SEA views/votes, because they don't have any intention to have him in the final group (not that he's very outstanding either to begin with).

being a global group doesn't necessarily mean majority foreigners. bts is a global group

also i-land didn't put that big of focus on the foreign members. 

edit: if anything i-land was initially marketed as the next bts. (and they were called out for it..)

 

Edited August 17, 2020 by satoori

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, satoori said:

being a global group doesn't necessarily mean majority foreigners. bts is a global group

also i-land didn't put that big of focus on the foreign members. 

edit: if anything i-land was initially marketed as the next bts. (and they were called out for it..)

 

I didn't say the group needed to have majority of foreigners though? It's more like how they marketed the show, as a global-oriented show with contestants of different nationalities/ethnicities and with the global voting opened, but at the end they clearly want an all Korean line up mostly. They did the same last year in pdx and even had a scene in the first episode showcasing the "foreigners". Mnet always promote their shows as "global" and put a bunch of foreigner contestants so they can get views from people of those countries but at the end they don't really have intentions of putting them in the line up.

Also lbr, having foreign members even if it's not 100% necessary is definitely beneficial. Groups like Twice or Izone wouldn't sell so much if they didn't have a "J-Line", or groups that have Thai/SEA members like GOT7, BP, G-idle, or recently Secret Number, etc tend to get a lot of views because SEA countries are big when it comes to streaming. BTS is actually kinda an outlier because majority of groups that are popular internationally tend to have at least 1-2 foreign members.

Edited August 17, 2020 by hynapia

[satoori]

2 minutes ago, hynapia said:

I didn't say the group needed to have majority of foreigners though? It's more like how they marketed the show, as a global-oriented show with contestants of different nationalities/ethnicities and with the global voting opened, but at the end they clearly want an all Korean line up mostly. They did the same last year in pdx and even had a scene in the first episode showcasing the "foreigners". Mnet always promote their shows as "global" and put a bunch of foreigner contestants so they can get views from people of those countries but at the end they don't really have intentions of putting them in the line up.

pdx has nothing to do with i-land. so what producers/directors did there has nothing to do with i-land. different people.

i don't really see how i-land was marketed as "global-oriented" tho. there really wasn't much marketing of the show except pushing that it was "created by bighit the producers of bts". nothing really gave the impression that this would be a group with many foreigners in it. 

the main global related marketing i saw was the show trying to reach more ifans by using weverse, providing yt streams, and a active sns accounts. but i mean, every kpop group nowadays is trying to reach more global fans.

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, satoori said:

pdx has nothing to do with i-land. so what producers/directors did there has nothing to do with i-land. different people.

i don't really see how i-land was marketed as "global-oriented" tho. there really wasn't much marketing of the show except pushing that it was "created by bighit the producers of bts". nothing really gave the impression that this would be a group with many foreigners in it. 

the main global related marketing i saw was the show trying to reach more ifans by using weverse, providing yt streams, and a active sns accounts. but i mean, every kpop group nowadays is trying to reach more global fans.

Idk I've always seen it promoted as global-oriented tbh. To begin with they made "global auditions" in different cities around the world (which wouldn't be necessary if they're aiming for a mostly Korean group), they mentioned the "global" thing a few times in the show, they presented the first (possible) viet kpop idol ever and they supposedly had a thai trainee too (the one that was injured) which it's definitely not a casuality. They clearly wanted fans from countries like Japan, China/Taiwan, SEA/Vietnam, US, etc to watch the show and they opened the "global voting" to lure more i-fans as well.

I don't have anything against an all Korean line up and I know all Korean groups can be global groups too, but like I said if their intention from the beginning was a mostly Korean line up, putting foreigners (especially from "new" countries in kpop like vietnam) and opening the global vote was kinda unnecessary and I see it more as a publicity thing to attract more i-fans.

[satoori]

1 minute ago, hynapia said:

Idk I've always seen it promoted as global-oriented tbh. To begin with they made "global auditions" in different cities around the world (which wouldn't be necessary if they're aiming for a mostly Korean group), they mentioned the "global" thing a few times in the show, they presented the first (possible) viet kpop idol ever and they supposedly had a thai trainee too (the one that was injured) which it's definitely not a casuality. They clearly wanted fans from countries like Japan, China/Taiwan, SEA/Vietnam, US, etc to watch the show and they opened the "global voting" to lure more i-fans as well.

I don't have anything against an all Korean line up and I know all Korean groups can be global groups too, but like I said if their intention from the beginning was a mostly Korean line up, putting foreigners (especially from "new" countries in kpop like vietnam) and opening the global vote was kinda unnecessary and I see it more as a publicity thing to attract more i-fans.

most companies do global auditions nowadays. bighit do them all the time too. and just because they have more asian countries being represented still doesn't prove the group was going to have many foreigners. it just means i-land had more options to pick from.

again wanting global fans is not the same as wanting a group with many foreigners. all kpop groups want global fans - whether they're an all korean group or not.

from the beginning when i saw bighit was being pushed hard for this show, personally i assumed the group would be majority korean. since that's what bight tends to do.  i figured it would be 3 out 12 initially.....now that we know it will be 7 member, my guess is 1-2 members. 

[hynapia]

4 minutes ago, satoori said:

most companies do global auditions nowadays. bighit do them all the time too. and just because they have more asian countries being represented still doesn't prove the group was going to have many foreigners. it just means i-land had more options to pick from.

again wanting global fans is not the same as wanting a group with many foreigners. all kpop groups want global fans - whether they're an all korean group or not.

from the beginning when i saw bighit was being pushed hard for this show, personally i assumed the group would be majority korean. since that's what bight tends to do.  i figured it would be 3 out 12 initially.....now that we know it will be 7 member, my guess is 1-2 members. 

But again, if they didn't want foreigners in the group they could've simply done most of the auditions in Korea. Global auditions are literally done to get possible foreign members but they're proving they clearly aimed for an all-Korean line up since the beginning and that they're using the foreign members mostly to attract fans from those countries. For example a lot of people from SEA/Vietnam are watching the show, which wouldn't happen if there wasn't a viet contestant. Same with the J-Line and the japanese fans of the show.

[satoori]

8 minutes ago, hynapia said:

But again, if they didn't want foreigners in the group they could've simply done most of the auditions in Korea. Global auditions are literally done to get possible foreign members but they're proving they clearly aimed for an all-Korean line up since the beginning and that they're using the foreign members mostly to attract fans from those countries. For example a lot of people from SEA/Vietnam are watching the show, which wouldn't happen if there wasn't a viet contestant. Same with the J-Line and the japanese fans of the show.

i never said they didn't want foreigners in the group. all i'm saying is the group was never marketed as a group with "many" foreigners.

edit: the point remains. a majority korean group can still be called a global group.

Edited August 17, 2020 by satoori

[Angel_Nessa]

"BTS is amazing for only having Korean members" - after reading this knetizen comment, I realized that Koreans really like and support more  Korean boygroups with only K-members.  

For girlgroups it seems ok to have foreign members, but for boygroups it's hard to get popular in Korea, that's the case of NCT and GOT7 that are a way more popular overseas than in Korea. Exceptions: EXO and WANNAONE. 

Today on Twitter, I saw on trending topics people asking to debut all the 12 members instead of 7, maybe they'll make it happen.   

 

Edited August 18, 2020 by Angel_Nessa