Danee Danee 5,179 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 With sexy concept coming back again? Similarly to 2nd gen we got the cute/innocent era followed by girl crush/bad girl era and with Monster and Apple as releases from major players (groups) we seems to be entering sexy/sensual era once again. Which will most likely bring rise to new cute, fresh, innocent gen in like a year or two. Hm... Or do you think the intl popularity of kpop will limit it to concepts which are west friendly? Wish we got bops like Loving you, Heart attack, Something etc again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digiwon 5,843 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I surely hope we'll get ggs doing sexy concept again. I was pleasantly surprised that wooseok's debuted this year with sexy concept. Hopefully we will see more from now on, even though currently I'm pretty satisfied with the kpop releases this year, they're all doing pretty well 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lighterxx 12,204 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Cant really say .. past sexy concepts were majorly different from current ones i guess, so while i do guess cute will comeback sometime, i cant tell when or with which concept o.o 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 both co-existed together and its going to be the same now too. weeekly and woo!ah! were definitely faaaar from sexy and im sure the smngg will be far from sexy too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Morris 2,440 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2.5/3rd/whatever Gen ggs are starting to move towards mature/sexy concepts while newer ggs will be continuing with cute/innocent. One concept will not overtake the other. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basicbitch47 305 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I kinda do think so. It's actually quite disturbing cause to me it still seems like yesterday when the generation shift to the 3rd gen took place. Time flies. I expect a new gen too come up in the next three years. On the other hand the 3rd gen ggs like twice, red velvet, etc. Enter their "queen era" as the cemented dominators of kpop industry and I love it. Concepts are getting more elegant and exquisite. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiSsOrGaNiZeDsUsHi 353 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Can't say. If Yukika has anything to say it's City Pop finding its way into the heart of K-Pop fans. I'd say her concept is "sweet and innocent". A sneak-peak medly of her debut album "Soul Lady" coming out tomorrow. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corysilk 16 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 yall really think they are about to debut idols in their early 20s? That's the only way they can get away with sexy in this current social climate, and I highly doubt that will happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hynapia 3,977 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) Like other people have said cute/fresh, girl crush/badass and sexy/sensual concepts have always coexisted. For example: Cute/Fresh: OMG's Nonstop, Weeekly's Tag Me, Cignature's Nununana Girl crush: Basically most Mamamoo/Blackpink/Gidle/Everglow/ITZY releases, Loona's So what Sensual/Mature: Irene&Seulgi's Monster (plus some RV's velvet releases), Gfriend's Apple, A Pink's releases since I'm so sick And it's not only these 3 concepts. WJSN and Izone do magical/fantasy concept (Twice's More&More kinda falls into this category too), Weki Meki/Cherry Bullet/Rocket Punch are "teen crush" (that mix of cute and girl crush), Dreamcatcher has a dark fantasy concept, Nature's last concept was dark/horror, etc. There's a lot of variety nowadays, actually. Edited July 19, 2020 by hynapia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sofs 13,968 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Maybe not sexy but sensual? It’s not the first time there’s a shift in concepts popularity so maybe it can happen. Hard to believe cute and innocent concept can get strength since it’s smaller groups doing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joyurigged 273 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, DiSsOrGaNiZeDsUsHi said: Can't say. If Yukika has anything to say it's City Pop finding its way into the heart of K-Pop fans. I'd say her concept is "sweet and innocent". A sneak-peak medly of her debut album "Soul Lady" coming out tomorrow. Oh my GOD I hadn't listened to it yet but every track sounds very promising. Shade in particular sounds AMAZING, I'm so excited!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeriana Grande 6,596 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I really think it just depends on the age of the girls who debut. Mostly younger members usually stick to more innocent concepts. It's hard to pull off a sexy concept at debut unless the group pretty much is known as a sexy concept group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerimolda 2,050 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 43 minutes ago, hynapia said: Girl crush: Basically most Mamamoo I think it's a little unfair to lump Mamamoo and the girl crush groups together. They only have like 3 title tracks in their entire discography that are a little close to "girl crush" (Egotistic, Gogobebe and Hip) And that's being very generous because Gogobebe is not even girl crush? Like how. That's just Mamamoo's sound. I don't see it badass or dark enough to be girl crush. It reminds me of their 2016 songs. And I see elemements In Loona So What, Gidle, Everglow, Itzy, BP, etc that I can't see in Hip. If you listen to girl crush songs like WJSN Catch Me, Cherry bullet Hands Up, CLC songs, you can find common sounds and so many clitches in the MVs that I just don't see in Hip. Hip is tougher than previous songs but I don't see it as classic and proper Girl Crush. Also difficult to offer a Girl crush image releasing a MV like Gleam and promoting Waggy and Ten Nights, especially the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiSsOrGaNiZeDsUsHi 353 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 38 minutes ago, juryduty said: Oh my GOD I hadn't listened to it yet but every track sounds very promising. Shade in particular sounds AMAZING, I'm so excited!! My anticipation is pretty high too. I'm so ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hynapia 3,977 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Gerimolda said: I think it's a little unfair to lump Mamamoo and the girl crush groups together. They only have like 3 title tracks in their entire discography that are a little close to "girl crush" (Egotistic, Gogobebe and Hip) And that's being very generous because Gogobebe is not even girl crush? Like how. That's just Mamamoo's sound. I don't see it badass or dark enough to be girl crush. It reminds me of their 2016 songs. And I see elemements In Loona So What, Gidle, Everglow, Itzy, BP, etc that I can't see in Hip. If you listen to girl crush songs like WJSN Catch Me, Cherry bullet Hands Up, CLC songs, you can find common sounds and so many clitches in the MVs that I just don't see in Hip. Hip is tougher than previous songs but I don't see it as classic and proper Girl Crush. Also difficult to offer a Girl crush image releasing a MV like Gleam and promoting Waggy and Ten Nights, especially the former. Honestly, I didn't know how to categorize them. I lumped them in the girl crush category because they always give off this strong, fierce and empowered image but it's true their MVs usually don't have typical girl crush elements like CLC, BP, G-idle, Loona, ITZY, Everglow, etc. But at the same time their concepts aren't cute either, or magical/fantasy or even sexy/sexual, so I guess mature in general? Idk how to define their style tbh. Edited July 20, 2020 by hynapia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiSsOrGaNiZeDsUsHi 353 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 MAMAMOO is a style in itself. Uh Oh Ah Yeh! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satoori 45,814 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 @hynapia You're right, Mamamoo do give off strong, independent, and feminist vibes. Mamamoo do target female audiences but it's a bit different then the other "girl crush" groups you listed. The typical "girl crush" we know in Kpop seems to be meant for targeting young school girls. So elementary kid and teenagers. While Mamamoo concepts are more for college to older women. Of course, any one can like whatever music they like, but still base on the lyrics and MV concepts Mamamoo is definitely showing more mature imagery. @Gerimolda 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerimolda 2,050 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, hynapia said: Idk how to define their style tbh. I know it's difficult to clasify them in so many levels tbh But I don't think they need to be put in a box. The thing that in my opinion makes them a little different from most idol groups is that they don't stick to a pre-existing concept. They are just Mamamoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rananicolee 10,266 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I’m too lazy to quote but @Gerimolda I’d definitely put Mamamoo in the mature category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satoori 45,814 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Danee Danee said: With sexy concept coming back again? Similarly to 2nd gen we got the cute/innocent era followed by girl crush/bad girl era and with Monster and Apple as releases from major players (groups) we seems to be entering sexy/sensual era once again. Which will most likely bring rise to new cute, fresh, innocent gen in like a year or two. Hm... Or do you think the intl popularity of kpop will limit it to concepts which are west friendly? Wish we got bops like Loving you, Heart attack, Something etc again. I feel it depends on which groups or generation one is following. Most young girl groups are usually going to start off with young concepts. Such as, cute, innocent, teen crush, bubble pop, or girl crush(targeting teens). As they get older they tend to mature also. Right now the 3rd gen groups, like Twice, Red Velvet, Gfriend and etc. are maturing and experimenting so of course to those who follow mostly them it might feel and look like the industry is only maturing. But in fact that's not the case. There are still young groups too entering the market. Weeekly, Woo!ah!, ITZY and etc. Then there are groups still in that in between phase. WJSN, fromis_9, etc. The Kpop industry is one big cycle. Forever on-going. New groups with young concepts are always debuting and eventually everyone matures. Edited July 20, 2020 by satoori Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerimolda 2,050 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, rananicolee said: I’m too lazy to quote but @Gerimolda I’d definitely put Mamamoo in the mature category. Yeah I agree. for lack of a better word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiSsOrGaNiZeDsUsHi 353 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1) Concepts should first be age-appropriate. 2) Concepts should secondly be believable (Can the artists/groups pull it off) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoodle 609 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Who was disliking every comment in here But tbh, do we need the sexy concept to come back full force? Do we want rookie groups being forced into that? I can only think of the Stellar situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danee Danee 5,179 Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 6 hours ago, muesli said: both co-existed together and its going to be the same now too. weeekly and woo!ah! were definitely faaaar from sexy and im sure the smngg will be far from sexy too I was talking more about general trend in the industry then newly debuted groups going sexy route. Even in 2013 it was mostly already debuted groups who switched concepts. Neither Girls Day or AOA or Exid (or hell even Stellar) were debuted to do sexy concept. The generation of idols and fans simply grew to it. They switched to it and find success through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danee Danee 5,179 Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Corysilk said: yall really think they are about to debut idols in their early 20s? That's the only way they can get away with sexy in this current social climate, and I highly doubt that will happen. It isnt about debuting groups but groups who are already in the industry like what happened before. So yeah 20+ girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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