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hehe yes i know but you're also shipping them based off of that drama, are you not? Give me Vanness and Lynn Hung instead (the pair from Material Queen).

 

i don't think i've seen anybody that have issues with the end like i do. Must be because i'm a guy and it angers me more.

Okay. Now I am curious, what is it that makes you so angry about the ending?? 

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Okay. Now I am curious, what is it that makes you so angry about the ending?? 

 

the scene by the pool in the second to last episode (or somewhere near the end at least) where he's crying and begging her to just tell him the truth. He's given her chance after chance and she lies right to his face about the ring. And then the stupidest final episode i've ever seen with the fake kidnapping was just dumb and a terrible thing to do (yes it's drama land i know but still). She goes from that pool scene and possibly losing him forever to this plan to get him back by lying to him again.

 

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the scene by the pool in the second to last episode (or somewhere near the end at least) where he's crying and begging her to just tell him the truth. He's given her chance after chance and she lies right to his face about the ring. And then the stupidest final episode i've ever seen with the fake kidnapping was just dumb and a terrible thing to do (yes it's drama land i know but still). She goes from that pool scene and possibly losing him forever to this plan to get him back by lying to him again.

 

 

Ahhh. 

I see where you're coming from. 

 

Makes sense actually. Got legit reason for hating the ending. BUT, lol, you're 60% wrong. I'm shipping them 40% because of the drama, but 60% is because of their BTS and the normal interaction that they have with one another. The ambiance between them is just very compelling. 

 

MQ. Lol, I never got to watch that one. Did you like it? I heard the cinematography of it is very pretty o: 

 

 

 

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Ahhh. 

I see where you're coming from. 

 

Makes sense actually. Got legit reason for hating the ending. BUT, lol, you're 60% wrong. I'm shipping them 40% because of the drama, but 60% is because of their BTS and the normal interaction that they have with one another. The ambiance between them is just very compelling. 

 

MQ. Lol, I never got to watch that one. Did you like it? I heard the cinematography of it is very pretty o: 

 

 

 

MQ is a tough one to recommend. Yes visually it's pretty great. From the setting to the costumes it all is visually pleasing. Lynn plays a model and some well known(?) designer i guess did the wardrobe, so it's all very fashion focused.

 

I say it's tough to recommend because it starts out great but after what i will call the first arc, it does a rollarcoaster ride of boring and a little annoying to amazing parts. But i think i would recommend it because those good parts are really good. The end is a little dumb because it should be obvious what is actually going on but the show seems to assumes you don't remember what happened during the earlier parts of the drama.

 

Also Lynn's character is probably one of the best female characters i've seen in a drama. She's realistic and believable. They set her character up and you understand the decisions she makes and doesn't just change who she is like a switch even after a major event, because people don't actually do that.

 

and i love this song

 

 

i should get the ost to get the non-vanness songs in it. Or look them up at least.

 

edit: found the other song i liked from it. By Rachel Liang

 

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MQ is a tough one to recommend. Yes visually it's pretty great. From the setting to the costumes it all is visually pleasing. Lynn plays a model and some well known(?) designer i guess did the wardrobe, so it's all very fashion focused.

 

I say it's tough to recommend because it starts out great but after what i will call the first arc, it does a rollarcoaster ride of boring and a little annoying to amazing parts. But i think i would recommend it because those good parts are really good. The end is a little dumb because it should be obvious what is actually going on but the show seems to assumes you don't remember what happened during the earlier parts of the drama.

 

Also Lynn's character is probably one of the best female characters i've seen in a drama. She's realistic and believable. They set her character up and you understand the decisions she makes and doesn't just change who she is like a switch even after a major event, because people don't actually do that.

 

and i love this song

 

 

i should get the ost to get the non-vanness songs in it. Or look them up at least.

LOLOLOL.  :lol:  :lol:

 

I see. Well, that sounds pretty interesting. I will pick it up after I finish with my Zenkai Girl<3

 

and haha, was just listening to that song yesterday~ Love the MV and the song. It is featured in MQ right? 

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LOLOLOL.  :lol:  :lol:

 

I see. Well, that sounds pretty interesting. I will pick it up after I finish with my Zenkai Girl<3

 

and haha, was just listening to that song yesterday~ Love the MV and the song. It is featured in MQ right? 

it's the opening theme song. Other songs from his album are in there as insert songs. Plus the Rachel Liang song i edited and posted in there. She has two songs in it think.

 

Zenkai Girl!!! :ahmagah: Cutest little kid actors i've ever seen. Pretty talented too, they did a good job. And Gakky is cute as always. :chu: One of the few dramas where Ryo doesn't look bored/high and uninterested.

 

Watching Gakky's current drama with Ayano Go now called Soratobu Kouhoushitsu. Really good and probably the best jdrama this year so far.

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it's the opening theme song. Other songs from his album are in there as insert songs. Plus the Rachel Liang song i edited and posted in there. She has two songs in it think.

 

Zenkai Girl!!! :ahmagah: Cutest little kid actors i've ever seen. Pretty talented too, they did a good job. And Gakky is cute as always. :chu: One of the few dramas where Ryo doesn't look bored/high and uninterested.

 

Watching Gakky's current drama with Ayano Go now called Soratobu Kouhoushitsu. Really good and probably the best jdrama this year so far.

Just listened to the song by Rachel. Sighs, Mandopop ballads and lyrics are the best <3 And this is in MQ too, lol, might just watch it for OST at the very least. 

 

 

 

Ajklasjdfkasd I know right?! Hinata and Pitaro are so cuute <3 and very talented at well*__* And Gakky's hairstyle is bothering me. :unimpressed: I just want to chop off those 2 side bangs of hers. And Ryo is adorable as always. I love how his eyes are always so expressive. :ilove:

And I've heard about Soratobu, my friend who's currently watching it says it's really good too :D

 

I haven't delve into the Japanese ent industry for a long while, but lately I'm gaining loads of interest in it. 

Downloaded Galileo Galilee's Portal and I am just in loveeeee :lub:  I also like Radwimps' music.  

Is this my calling? lol. Since I have been losing interest in K-pop for the past 2-3 years  :horror:

 

 

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Just listened to the song by Rachel. Sighs, Mandopop ballads and lyrics are the best <3 And this is in MQ too, lol, might just watch it for OST at the very least. 

 

 

 

Ajklasjdfkasd I know right?! Hinata and Pitaro are so cuute <3 and very talented at well*__* And Gakky's hairstyle is bothering me. :unimpressed: I just want to chop off those 2 side bangs of hers. And Ryo is adorable as always. I love how his eyes are always so expressive. :ilove:

And I've heard about Soratobu, my friend who's currently watching it says it's really good too :D

 

I haven't delve into the Japanese ent industry for a long while, but lately I'm gaining loads of interest in it. 

Downloaded Galileo Galilee's Portal and I am just in loveeeee :lub:  I also like Radwimps' music.  

Is this my calling? lol. Since I have been losing interest in K-pop for the past 2-3 years  :horror:

 

 

don't worry that seems to be what's happening to everybody, especially as they get older. Most people that come from jpop first (like me) that got caught up in korean stuff start to lose interest as time goes on because of their lack of diversity in their music, dramas, and movies. Not to mention the quality of kpop now just keeps on going down hill in the last few years. Join me in all things japanese!

 

Jdramas are great and more diverse than other countries. Plus they're really short. That's why i watch more jdramas than other ones.

 

Radwimps! :datass: Noda's solo album is one of the better albums to release this year.

 

Is this friend micki by any chance? haha sounds like her from those things because she's watching the drama too and listens to those bands as well.

 

If you want a great jdrama with a cute and talented child actor, watch Mother. Stars a little girl named Ashida Mana. Best child actor ever! Great drama too.

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Vanness album is up. downloading now!

 

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after one listen through my initial reaction is: meh. He usually has at least one or two songs i really like and that is enough for me to listen to the albums, not sure if this album has that (same with Rainie actually. I don't like her that much but she always has 1 or 2 amazing ballads in each album). I liked "lov3" the most though.

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don't worry that seems to be what's happening to everybody, especially as they get older. Most people that come from jpop first (like me) that got caught up in korean stuff start to lose interest as time goes on because of their lack of diversity in their music, dramas, and movies. Not to mention the quality of kpop now just keeps on going down hill in the last few years. Join me in all things japanese!

 

Jdramas are great and more diverse than other countries. Plus they're really short. That's why i watch more jdramas than other ones.

 

Radwimps! :datass: Noda's solo album is one of the better albums to release this year.

 

Is this friend micki by any chance? haha sounds like her from those things because she's watching the drama too and listens to those bands as well.

 

If you want a great jdrama with a cute and talented child actor, watch Mother. Stars a little girl named Ashida Mana. Best child actor ever! Great drama too.

I was first into the first generation Kpop with HOT and Jay chou , then I diverted to Jpop to Hikki, Ayumi & Jdramas ... and then deflected back to Korean pop now apparently I am moving back to Jpop and Mandopop. LOL. But yeah, as you said, Kpop just keep going downhill for the past few years :(. Everything is so processed and sounds the same. 

 

and yes, it is Micki! :D I visited her SC the other day and discovered few songs by GG. I asked her who they were because they caught my ears, I couldn't stop listening to them and so I was curious to know who they are .. and voila! I downloaded Portal and have been in looooooove <3 

I haven't really checked out Radwimps yet, only heard 2 songs but so far I really like it too. I like GG and Radwimps' mellowness compare to other rock bands i.e ONE-OK Rock. They're too "loud" for me. Must be my age thing  -_-

 

I checked out Mother and it looks pretty interesting. I love amazing child actors. Does it have a good ending? That's really important to me. 

 

 

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lol. does the japanese ent have a fanturd thread? I feel like we should migrate over there or something  :lol:

 

and oo Van Ness' new album. gonna check it out now.  :ahmagah:

and rainie. never liked her. though i've said this before. lol

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I was first into the first generation Kpop with HOT and Jay chou , then I diverted to Jpop to Hikki, Ayumi & Jdramas ... and then deflected back to Korean pop now apparently I am moving back to Jpop and Mandopop. LOL. But yeah, as you said, Kpop just keep going downhill for the past few years :(. Everything is so processed and sounds the same. 

 

and yes, it is Micki! :D I visited her SC the other day and discovered few songs by GG. I asked her who they were because they caught my ears, I couldn't stop listening to them and so I was curious to know who they are .. and voila! I downloaded Portal and have been in looooooove <3 

I haven't really checked out Radwimps yet, only heard 2 songs but so far I really like it too. I like GG and Radwimps' mellowness compare to other rock bands i.e ONE-OK Rock. They're too "loud" for me. Must be my age thing  -_-

 

I checked out Mother and it looks pretty interesting. I love amazing child actors. Does it have a good ending? That's really important to me. 

 

 

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lol. does the japanese ent have a fanturd thread? I feel like we should migrate over there or something  :lol:

 

and oo Van Ness' new album. gonna check it out now.  :ahmagah:

and rainie. never liked her. though i've said this before. lol

hehe i was right about micki and by mentioning OOR i assume that she tried to get you into them.

 

yes there's a jturd: http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/96-le-official-neo-j-music-international-assembly-thread/

there's a jrock thread too: http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/100-the-official-jrock-thread/

 

i post in both. You can post in there if you ever need any recs or talk about stuff. Or in here since me and Lustucru both listen to japanese music also. We post about all types of rock in the jrock thread from louder stuff to mellow indie stuff and more electronic type stuff too like this

 

 

:ahmagah:

 

it has a good ending but not a completely happy ending if that's what you mean. Somewhat happy i guess but a realistic one because of the situation. And if you've read the plot synopsis you can probably predict the ending but it's a very good drama still.

 

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oh i read your post wrong. There's no such thing as off topic in a "turd" thread :lol: Instead of thinking it as a general korean/chinese/japanese thread, think of them as a general thread for fans of korean/chinese/japanese things. We've talked about jdramas and kdramas here before. And in the jturd we've done the same and also western stuff, video games, life, and other random things.

 

You can talk about whatever you want in them, for instance i started watching a BBC America show called Orphan Black and it's pretty cool.

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hehe i was right about micki and by mentioning OOR i assume that she tried to get you into them.

 

yes there's a jturd: http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/96-le-official-neo-j-music-international-assembly-thread/

there's a jrock thread too: http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/100-the-official-jrock-thread/

 

i post in both. You can post in there if you ever need any recs or talk about stuff. Or in here since me and Lustucru both listen to japanese music also. We post about all types of rock in the jrock thread from louder stuff to mellow indie stuff and more electronic type stuff too like this

 

 

:ahmagah:

 

it has a good ending but not a completely happy ending if that's what you mean. Somewhat happy i guess but a realistic one because of the situation. And if you've read the plot synopsis you can probably predict the ending but it's a very good drama still.

 

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oh i read your post wrong. There's no such thing as off topic in a "turd" thread :lol: Instead of thinking it as a general korean/chinese/japanese thread, think of them as a general thread for fans of korean/chinese/japanese things. We've talked about jdramas and kdramas here before. And in the jturd we've done the same and also western stuff, video games, life, and other random things.

 

You can talk about whatever you want in them, for instance i started watching a BBC America show called Orphan Black and it's pretty cool.

Oh wow. That song is right up in my alley. I'm currently in a bad/sad mood atm and the song is very calming. Who is he?

 

and okies, I will put Mother on my 'to-watch' list :D Though yeah, I think I know what the ending will be like -sighs-

 

I see I see. So we basically can talk about anything ..... and oo Orphan Black. What's it about? I don't watch TV shows at all. aha. 

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Oh wow. That song is right up in my alley. I'm currently in a bad/sad mood atm and the song is very calming. Who is he?

 

and okies, I will put Mother on my 'to-watch' list :D Though yeah, I think I know what the ending will be like -sighs-

 

I see I see. So we basically can talk about anything ..... and oo Orphan Black. What's it about? I don't watch TV shows at all. aha. 

yup you can talk about whatever you want, which is why there's so much activity in the kturd and jturd because it's not just korean/japanese stuff that's being talked about. That and there's more than 4 people like here :lol:

 

The video i posted is from a band called Sakanaction.

here's a few of their songs:

 

I haven't watched a lot of US shows since i started watching dramas but Orphan Black is cool. It's about this girl who's in need of money and she sees this girl who looks exactly like her in the subway/trainstation kill herself. She steals her purse and takes her identity to try to steal from her bank account. She finds out that there are others that and that they are clones, and someone is trying to kill them all.

 

if you're in a bad mood i advise you not to start Mother yet :lol: . It starts off very messed up in how the little girl is treated which will make you even angrier. Seriously the most fucked up thing i've ever seen in a drama (at least i think that happens in the first ep)

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yup you can talk about whatever you want, which is why there's so much activity in the kturd and jturd because it's not just korean/japanese stuff that's being talked about. That and there's more than 4 people like here :lol:

 

The video i posted is from a band called Sakanaction.

here's a few of their songs:

 

I haven't watched a lot of US shows since i started watching dramas but Orphan Black is cool. It's about this girl who's in need of money and she sees this girl who looks exactly like her in the subway/trainstation kill herself. She steals her purse and takes her identity to try to steal from her bank account. She finds out that there are others that and that they are clones, and someone is trying to kill them all.

 

if you're in a bad mood i advise you not to start Mother yet :lol: . It starts off very messed up in how the little girl is treated which will make you even angrier. Seriously the most fucked up thing i've ever seen in a drama (at least i think that happens in the first ep)

Thanks for the advice. Though I'm just plain emotionless at the moment that is. Meh. But yar, I will check it out when I eventually finish Zenkai ..... Though don't know when that is gonna be  :lol:  And what? the most fcked up thing you've ever seen? Must be bad .. I think I will skip the first ep then .. 

Damnnn I really like Sakanaction's songs! Q______Q Gotta go download their albums and add them to my new stash of Jrock music  :stare:  :stare:

The guy who is always in the MV, is he the main singer? And heh, J-music's MVs are so creative. Or at least of Sakanaction that is.

 

and lol, poor CT-turd, no one lives here. It's okay though, I don't being one of the few hibernatin' here  :smile:

 

Orphan Black sounds pretty interesting o: On the topic of cloning eh? And wait, someone is trying to kill all the clones? So now does she play the heroine to save them?

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Thanks for the advice. Though I'm just plain emotionless at the moment that is. Meh. But yar, I will check it out when I eventually finish Zenkai ..... Though don't know when that is gonna be  :lol:  And what? the most fcked up thing you've ever seen? Must be bad .. I think I will skip the first ep then .. 

Damnnn I really like Sakanaction's songs! Q______Q Gotta go download their albums and add them to my new stash of Jrock music  :stare:  :stare:

The guy who is always in the MV, is he the main singer? And heh, J-music's MVs are so creative. Or at least of Sakanaction that is.

 

and lol, poor CT-turd, no one lives here. It's okay though, I don't being one of the few hibernatin' here  :smile:

 

Orphan Black sounds pretty interesting o: On the topic of cloning eh? And wait, someone is trying to kill all the clones? So now does she play the heroine to save them?

fucked up! Don't skip the first episode though, you should still watch it. And i'm not gonna tell you what it is, so ha! now you'll never find out unless you watch it for yourself.

 

yea the guy in the video is the lead vocals. I recommend starting with their latest album, which is self titled. It has the first song i posted from them in it. And also the one called DocumentaLy, which you might have seen the user around with that name because he's their biggest fan on here and the one that introduced me to them. I would probably say start with DocumentaLy first unless you really want the first song.

 

Yea she meets up with a couple of other clones and ends up being the one that needs to save them and the other help out in different ways, like financially or provide information. Only half way so far and the first season just finished last week.

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fucked up! Don't skip the first episode though, you should still watch it. And i'm not gonna tell you what it is, so ha! now you'll never find out unless you watch it for yourself.

 

yea the guy in the video is the lead vocals. I recommend starting with their latest album, which is self titled. It has the first song i posted from them in it. And also the one called DocumentaLy, which you might have seen the user around with that name because he's their biggest fan on here and the one that introduced me to them. I would probably say start with DocumentaLy first unless you really want the first song.

 

Yea she meets up with a couple of other clones and ends up being the one that needs to save them and the other help out in different ways, like financially or provide information. Only half way so far and the first season just finished last week.

Nuuuuuu, I live for spoilers >_____< adlkfjasdfa. I cannot stand people especially kids being overpowered T.T Will i cry a river if I watch it? If I will, i am so NOT watching it ._. 

 

And mkays, I just found both album dl-links earlier. Downloading them now, HEHEHE  :raep:  I feel so excited. I love new and good music. Haven't felt this way for ages.  :ilove: And yeah, I have seen that user around. Lol, now I know where his username comes from!

 

Random but I'm currently listening to EXO's album, and I actually like it miuns the Korean ver of Wolf. o_____o It distinctly reminds me of Mandopop. I mean ofc there's a Mandarin version of the album but couple tracks are what i would be expected in a Mandopop album not Kpop. haa

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Nuuuuuu, I live for spoilers >_____< adlkfjasdfa. I cannot stand people especially kids being overpowered T.T Will i cry a river if I watch it? If I will, i am so NOT watching it ._. 

 

And mkays, I just found both album dl-links earlier. Downloading them now, HEHEHE  :raep:  I feel so excited. I love new and good music. Haven't felt this way for ages.  :ilove: And yeah, I have seen that user around. Lol, now I know where his username comes from!

 

Random but I'm currently listening to EXO's album, and I actually like it miuns the Korean ver of Wolf. o_____o It distinctly reminds me of Mandopop. I mean ofc there's a Mandarin version of the album but couple tracks are what i would be expected in a Mandopop album not Kpop. haa

what are you doing watching dramas in the first place if you don't like watching sad things :lol: Zenkai Girl gets pretty heavy in the second half. I compare it with My Girlfriend is a Gumiho in how the first half is a rom/com and the entire second half is a melodrama. So you might cry watching that.

 

I love finding new music. It's addicting to check out a new artists. But i have a tough time controlling myself and often times i get flooded with new albums and i move onto more new music before i finish listening to them all...

 

I haven't even listened to the full version of Wolf or the album. I listened to the teaser and that was enough for me. idk if you know about the song tradeoffs that's been going on but i'd like to share someone's review of Wolf just for laughs:

 

Oh this.  This piece of work.  I'm going to apologize if I rant a bit here, but there are some things that need to be said.  This "song" is an insult to the very existence of music and all those in the industry (speaking worldwide) who actually do care about the music that they produce.  Unimpressive vocals, lyrics that quite frankly are awful, and the very nature/concept of this song and its coupling video ... this is something that I can't fathom people enjoying as a track.  This is a joke, and I don't care about the flak that I might get from saying that.  I call things as I see them and I have no reason to lie here.  I NEVER thought I'd actually have to do this, but there's only one score that I can give EXO's "Wolf".  Just one.  Or really, none.

 

0/10 - This is a disgrace.

:lol:

 

kpop-wise i'm just waiting for whenever Kahi is releasing something new.

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what are you doing watching dramas in the first place if you don't like watching sad things :lol: Zenkai Girl gets pretty heavy in the second half. I compare it with My Girlfriend is a Gumiho in how the first half is a rom/com and the entire second half is a melodrama. So you might cry watching that.

 

I love finding new music. It's addicting to check out a new artists. But i have a tough time controlling myself and often times i get flooded with new albums and i move onto more new music before i finish listening to them all...

 

I haven't even listened to the full version of Wolf or the album. I listened to the teaser and that was enough for me. idk if you know about the song tradeoffs that's been going on but i'd like to share someone's review of Wolf just for laughs:

:lol:

 

kpop-wise i'm just waiting for whenever Kahi is releasing something new.

ROFL. 

Omg, I was just about to tell you that if you were to listen to EXO's new album, JUST SKIP THE FIRST TRACK AND MOVE ON. Let's just pretend that Wolf doesn't exist  :lol:

and I just realize I word my sentences weirdly regarding the album.  -_- It's late, gotta need my sleep soon. BOTTOM-LINE IS, you need to check it out, at least give it a try one time (no Wolf though). Aha. 

 

And I have a love/hate relationship with dramas .. iI'm currently at episode 7 of Zenkai. And I have cried lots already for Shota T^T And you said it'll get more heavy in 2nd half? GREAT. I shall look-forward to it ...  :._.:

 

 

 

Do you have the DocumentaLy album? 

My searching skills is dead atm and can't find any good-standing links. grrr. 

if you do have it, can you please upload it somewhere for me?  :stare:

 

 

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ROFL. 

Omg, I was just about to tell you that if you were to listen to EXO's new album, JUST SKIP THE FIRST TRACK AND MOVE ON. Let's just pretend that Wolf doesn't exist  :lol:

and I just realize I word my sentences weirdly regarding the album.  -_- It's late, gotta need my sleep soon. BOTTOM-LINE IS, you need to check it out, at least give it a try one time (no Wolf though). Aha. 

 

And I have a love/hate relationship with dramas .. iI'm currently at episode 7 of Zenkai. And I have cried lots already for Shota T^T And you said it'll get more heavy in 2nd half? GREAT. I shall look-forward to it ...  :._.:

 

 

 

Do you have the DocumentaLy album? 

My searching skills is dead atm and can't find any good-standing links. grrr. 

if you do have it, can you please upload it somewhere for me?  :stare:

 

 

well i'm not sure what you've seen already so you might have gotten to the sad part i was thinking about but maybe not. And yes it involves Shota and Emitaro.

 

i'll look for the album and if i can't find it then i'll upload it for you. Either way i'll pm the link to you.

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well i'm not sure what you've seen already so you might have gotten to the sad part i was thinking about but maybe not. And yes it involves Shota and Emitaro.

 

i'll look for the album and if i can't find it then i'll upload it for you. Either way i'll pm the link to you.

^_____^

 

 

 

Just want to say thanks for today! My mood was really low but talking to you had made me feel better  :lol:

 

I will be going to sleep now. it's 12.51am and I'm half-dead.;__;

 

Night! :]]

 

 

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^_____^

 

 

 

Just want to say thanks for today! My mood was really low but talking to you had made me feel better  :lol:

 

I will be going to sleep now. it's 12.51am and I'm half-dead.;__;

 

Night! :]]

 

 

night! i'm bout to get off too.

 

and same timezone :smile:

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night! i'm bout to get off too.

 

and same timezone :smile:

 

Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking.

 

 

 

Autumn's concerto :ahmagah: .

The first Taiwanese drama i watched in full.

Lol. How did you like it? 

 

 

bii's new songs are really good

akdjfalsdf I know right?! I was just listening to it in the car and every song is a gem <3 I'm in loveeeeeee  :lub:

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Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking.

 

 

 

Lol. How did you like it? 

 

 

akdjfalsdf I know right?! I was just listening to it in the car and every song is a gem <3 I'm in loveeeeeee  :lub:

i live in the valley

 

Stockton to be more specific.

 

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