Can people putting blame on Seolhyun stop?

[YeoChin Fairies]

Wonder if you guys have ever been to high school. Defending someone from a bully basically means you will be the next target. Most of us wouldn't involve unless it was our closest friend being bullied. 

Also Mina even said a member bravely reminded Jimin of words she has actually hurt Mina with in her father's funeral, and that member is obv Seolhyun. 

Edited July 6, 2020 by YeoChin Fairies

[pinkpanda_spirit]

Yea some people can’t defend victims because they want to avoid problems but I would never be bff with a freaking bully, call them my soulmate, have matching tattoos with them and travel all around the world with them. I doubt she did all of this just because she didn’t want to become the « next target »

Edited July 6, 2020 by pinkpanda_spirit

[BlessMeAchoo]

I guess you've never been bullied then to think that way. People with a mindset like yours are part of the problem. If you see someone being bullied, but you're too cowardly to do or say anything because you don't want to get invovled then that means you're just enabling the bully to continue. If people actually stood up for  the victims what power would the bully even have? Staying quiet and letting bullies carry on gives them power.

[KentasGlittery EyeMakeup]

What a cowardly way of thinking, I'm sure it really helps the victim to know that everybody let it slide because they didn't want to become the next target. If just one person stepped up, it would've opened up the situation to many possibilities including others stepping up. You let evil deeds slide, you become an enabler. You try to help, and other people might be brave enough to do the same. Two people going against a bully vs one person suffering alone are incomparable situation. Seolhyun could've been that person for Mina. Instead, she let her bestie behave the way she did, which is horrible. If she didn't know, I wonder how could she have not? Mina said one member stood up for her, we don't know who that person was, but if everyone spoke out against injustice, 10 years of Mina being bullied would never have happened. Being a coward is no excuse. Seolhyun is not a victim in this situation (that we know of), Mina is. 

[felidae]

15 minutes ago, YeoChin Fairies said:

Also Mina even said a member bravely reminded Jimin of words she has actually hurt Mina with in her father's funeral, and that member is obv Seolhyun. 

How could your mind think so? I'm amazed  

Not saying that for sure seolhyun is jm's ally but you can't blame people to make connections. It's not wise but connecting things are what we all like to do.

[YeoChin Fairies]

3 minutes ago, felidae said:

How could your mind think so? I'm amazed  

Not saying that for sure seolhyun is jm's ally but you can't blame people to make connections. It's not wise but connecting things are what we all like to do.

Cause it happened in the funeral and Seolhyun was there in the funeral. 

[SiIverFox]

6 minutes ago, BlessMeAchoo said:

I guess you've never been bullied then to think that way. People with a mindset like yours are part of the problem. If you see someone being bullied, but you're too cowardly to do or say anything because you don't want to get invovled then that means you're just enabling the bully to continue. If people actually stood up for  the victims what power would the bully even have? Staying quiet and letting bullies carry on gives them power.

I did that and the bully and the victim teamed together against me. Not everything is black or white.

 

That said we don't know what goes bts and Mina getting help is what matters and leaving nice messages is all we can do.

[Sofs]

Imagine to be bff with someone and call them soulmates but not be able to tell them they're wrong and to stop, that their acts are horrible and can cause tons of pain and lead to tragic events. Not saying people should bully Seolhyun.

Also, Seolhyun's value and popularity makes hard to believe she would be another victim. Even if Jimin was the leader, Seolhyun surely has more influence and power than Mina.

[felidae]

2 minutes ago, YeoChin Fairies said:

Cause it happened in the funeral and Seolhyun was there in the funeral. 

Because she's the only other members who showed up right

[BlessMeAchoo]

3 minutes ago, SiIverFox said:

I did that and the bully and the victim teamed together against me. Not everything is black or white.

 

That said we don't know what goes bts and Mina getting help is what matters and leaving nice messages is all we can do.

So the victim should just be left to suffer alone then? I'm sorry but in my opinion there is literally no excuse for standing by whilst someone gets bullied. When you stand up for the victim of course there's a possiblity that you could end up a target too, but you don't know that will happen so you can't use that as an excuse for doing nothing. Like I said originally, ignoring the bully just to save yourself is cowardly. It's not okay to ignore someone else's suffering just because you want to make things easier for yourself.

[freya]

Honestly none of you know anything beyond what Mina has said. If she refuses to name anyone else, then a bunch of strangers don't have to do it for her. Leave it alone.

Is that not the most rational response to this. Even what you think you know, you might not: we're all strangers here. Let her call out Seolhyun or the rest of AOA if she wants/needs to.

Edited July 6, 2020 by freya

[KentasGlittery EyeMakeup]

12 minutes ago, freya said:

Honestly none of you know anything beyond what Mina has said. If she refuses to name anyone else, then a bunch of strangers don't have to do it for her. Leave it alone.

Is that not the most rational response to this. Even what you think you know, you might not: we're all strangers here. Let her call out Seolhyun or the rest of AOA if she wants/needs to.

You are right, but people are going off on the fact that Mina said all of the members came with Jimin and then she said this.

And she also specified that there was ONE member who stood up for her in the past. So it's easy to call people enablers at least, since that's what we're getting from the victim, not to mention that another former member made a cryptic post confirming the same thing? I'm not saying attack Seolhyun, she's not the person who should be the priority now, but I'd like to see the other members speak out to because none of this sits right with me and it shouldn't sit right with anyone else either.

[Nero_Kpop]

Seolhyun getting famous instead of Choa was the worst thing that happened to Aoa, that's what happen when you put money over values like FNC

[SiIverFox]

18 minutes ago, BlessMeAchoo said:

So the victim should just be left to suffer alone then? I'm sorry but in my opinion there is literally no excuse for standing by whilst someone gets bullied. When you stand up for the victim of course there's a possiblity that you could end up a target too, but you don't know that will happen so you can't use that as an excuse for doing nothing. Like I said originally, ignoring the bully just to save yourself is cowardly. It's not okay to ignore someone else's suffering just because you want to make things easier for yourself.

I did NOT say that. Every case is different. But the victim became my bully which was sad. I was just saying we don’t have all the information. What we know it's Mina needs help and nice comments.

[SiIverFox]

21 minutes ago, freya said:

Honestly none of you know anything beyond what Mina has said. If she refuses to name anyone else, then a bunch of strangers don't have to do it for her. Leave it alone.

Is that not the most rational response to this. Even what you think you know, you might not: we're all strangers here. Let her call out Seolhyun or the rest of AOA if she wants/needs to.

Exactly

[BlessMeAchoo]

1 hour ago, SiIverFox said:

I did NOT say that. Every case is different. But the victim became my bully which was sad. I was just saying we don’t have all the information. What we know it's Mina needs help and nice comments.

Well your response implied that, it sounded like you were making an excuse for people who are bystanders.

Also, I never said we have all the information, but like I said in my two previous posts in this thread: there are literally no excuses for being a bystander when someone is being bullied.

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by BlessMeAchoo
grammar lol

[SiIverFox]

3 minutes ago, BlessMeAchoo said:

Well you're response implied that, it sounded like you were making an excuse for people who are bystanders.

Also, I never said we have all the information, but like I said in my two previous posts in this thread: there are literally no excuses for being a bystander when someone is being bullied.

 

No it didn’t. It was about giving nice messages to Mina and not making another witch-hunt. Mina sounded really bad in her last post and I’m more worried about her than this.

[Tarted]

Seolhyun is definetly not the one to blame. Knetizens are using this whole situation to throw all the shade at her as they always wanted to. Anyways, I don't think you used the right argument to defend her, cause probably everyone in the group and agency has some fault on their back. When a bullying situation happen, anyone can interfere, but people sometimes don't do that for a lot of reasons (that we probably won't know which they were in this case)

[BlessMeAchoo]

Just now, SiIverFox said:

No it didn’t. It was about giving nice messages to Mina and not making another witch-hunt. Mina sounded really bad in her last post and I’m more worried about her than this.

You said: 'I did that and the bully and the victim teamed together against me. Not everything is black or white.' That is not about Mina and like I said it came across like you were making an excuse for people to be bystanders. Maybe that wasn't your intention, but given my initial post that you were replying to came across that way.

Also, I litearlly never said anywhere that people should start a witch hunt?

 

Look, it's clear we're not going to agree on this so let's just agree to disagree. Just downvote my post and move on because I really cba to reply anymore.

[freya]

45 minutes ago, Free Sungmin said:

You are right, but people are going off on the fact that Mina said all of the members came with Jimin and then she said this.

And she also specified that there was ONE member who stood up for her in the past. So it's easy to call people enablers at least, since that's what we're getting from the victim, not to mention that another former member made a cryptic post confirming the same thing? I'm not saying attack Seolhyun, she's not the person who should be the priority now, but I'd like to see the other members speak out to because none of this sits right with me and it shouldn't sit right with anyone else either.

No one has to absolve them from responsibility as bystanders.

You can feel it is off and still withold all the narrativisation of the whole situation that implies some knowledge of their dynamics:"she was Jimin's bestfriend, she must be culpable" etc

I think they're probably bystanders at the very least but honing in on them in this way when Mina hasn't focused on them in her posts seems too reactive. We don't know nearly enough as we know about Jimin to start a proper conversation about Seolhyun or the others.

[Chiharu]

I think none of us know what actually happened and most people just want an excuse to hate on (and surprise! bully) her and that's the tea. 

[doki-doki]

I agree with you, OP.

I understand that the other members may well be bystanders but we don’t know the entire situation, Mina herself hasn’t singled any of them out and had remained on good terms with everyone but Jimin. 

She was however upset that the group and managers stormed her place when she broke her silence and she has every right to be, that was completely wrong.

I just don’t think it’s right to form a witchunt against Seolhyun or the other members until we know more about the situation. 

[SiIverFox]

31 minutes ago, Stinkerbell said:

I think none of us know what actually happened and most people just want an excuse to hate on (and surprise! bully) her and that's the tea. 

 

1 hour ago, BlessMeAchoo said:

You said: 'I did that and the bully and the victim teamed together against me. Not everything is black or white.' That is not about Mina and like I said it came across like you were making an excuse for people to be bystanders. Maybe that wasn't your intention, but given my initial post that you were replying to came across that way.

Also, I litearlly never said anywhere that people should start a witch hunt?

 

Look, it's clear we're not going to agree on this so let's just agree to disagree. Just downvote my post and move on because I really cba to reply anymore.

You downvoted my posts.

I wasn’t planning to respond either. You are calling someone..people you don’t even know bystanders when nobody but them knows the truth. If any of the ones posting here cared about the truth or Mina they wouldn’t go after others like you and some others have done. Destroying people by words is what many did to Wonho too and he is painted by most as bad because the didn’t wait for the whole picture and facts. or how Hara and Sulli  were called attention seekers but were genuine asking for help. Mina is currently hurting too.

Can this type of behavior stop? We haven’t learned anything..

[BlessMeAchoo]

3 hours ago, SiIverFox said:

 

You downvoted my posts.

I wasn’t planning to respond either. You are calling someone..people you don’t even know bystanders when nobody but them knows the truth. If any of the ones posting here cared about the truth or Mina they wouldn’t go after others like you and some others have done. Destroying people by words is what many did to Wonho too and he is painted by most as bad because the didn’t wait for the whole picture and facts. or how Hara and Sulli  were called attention seekers but were genuine asking for help. Mina is currently hurting too.

Can this type of behavior stop? We haven’t learned anything..

I downvoted your posts because I disagree with your opinion. That's literally why the dislike button is there Besides, you literally disliked all my posts too, but go off I guess. Clearly you can't see properly either because I didn't even dislike your last post because I'm honestly getting tired of you and I'm starting to lose my patience now.

So you're telling me that group members who were together for 10 years didn't know that a fellow member was being bullied? I call bullshit on that. Besides, you don't know the situation either so you can't go acting like they are all innocent and knew nothing because you don't know that either. Also, how did I go after others? You quoted me first and I replied. I didn't reply to anyone else in this thread at all. I'm entitled to reply to your posts anyway. If you weren't willing for me to respond to your post to start with, why did you quote my post first?  Who have I destroyed by words? I haven't said anything nasty about anyone. I just said that people shouldn't tolerate bullying. My first post wasn't even directly about AOA anyway, it was more of a general statement relating to the first part of OP's post.

How dare you bring Wonho into this. This has nothing to do with him so keep his name out of your mouth. This isn't even remotely similar or related to what happened to Wonho. I'm so sick of people using Wonho as an example in their arguments since what happened to him. Also, Sulli and Hara's tragic deaths are nothing to do with this either, so don't stoop so low as to use their deaths as some kind of ammunition for your weakass argument. 

We could have ended this petty argument if you just downvoted and moved on like I suggested, but you really had to drag out this mess. Stop acting so high and mighty when you're the one who dragged this on longer than needed. Don't worry, I've added you to my ignore list now so I won't have to see your posts anymore.

 

 

[planetaria]

it went on for 10 years, if the rest of the members had cared about the situation they would have stopped it. 

there is no way jimin bullied everyone into submission. 

mina started talking, THEN they cared.