[enter-talk] HELLO, I'M SOMEONE WHO WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED WHEN TAEYONG WROTE THE ROLLING PAPER

[Evanescence]

I can't prove that I'm a classmate of his just with this picture, but please believe me

First of all, I never expressed my position except for Taeyong's apology article last year
There were a lot of people who thought that I was the one who wrote the article, but it was another classmate

I was debating whether I should write something yesterday after seeing all the comments and the things that the informant was saying
Taeyong's nuna told me to hold back, but I couldn't hold back anymore so I'm writing this post.

Which side do you think the informant is on? I don't think she's on the victim's side.
Even if she was, wouldn't it be wrong to first talk about yourself because talking about the victim when mentioning this?

The informant has never warned me or got my approval before writing that post/
She could've just came to my office and asked me back then and I would've probably accepted but I don't understand why she wouldn't contact me if she cared so much about the victim

If she thinks she can act as a surrogate for the victims, I'll speak for Taeyong's nuna.

If there's anything you want to ask, feel free to as. I will not answer anything else aside from the subject.
 

post response:

[+324][-1]

original post: here

1. [+141, -0]
OP: I'll put this to you simply. I was not a victim of school violence and I'm not the same as the informant either. The resolution between the victim and Taeyong shouldn't be a matter to anyone else. If the parties directly involved wants to make their conversation public, that's something else, but why would the informant be the one making it public? Please stop mentioning this event as a whole. I never approved [to the informant] to raise this topic, and I'm addressing it right now.

2. [+84 ,-0]
I'm saying this just in case... Maybe other people don't think the same butㅠㅠ  This person made a difficult decision to write this post, so let's not ask him questions that are too hard to answer, let's stya mannerly!! Let's be more careful everyone

3. [+67, -0]
I hope that the classmate doesn't get too hurt over the antis on Jjukbang and Thewoo and I hope everyone can just report them, let's start capturing and reporting people

4. [+55, -1]
This is what the classmate answered

 

Q: I wanted to ask you again, how did you feel when you first saw this posted around?
A: If you're talking about the content of the rolling paper, just like what was mentioned in the article, I didn't feel hurt at all. We were all young and he just wrote it without any thoughts. But as time passed, the informant released the post without my consent and this is what made me mad

5. [+53, -0]
The comments mocking OP aren't left by Taeyong fans nor NCT fans.

6. [+44, -0]
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1-Q: So were you friends with Taeyong? 

A: Yes, I was in his class during 3rd year middle school 

 

2-Q: (same question translated above)

 

3-Q: Will it be hard to talk about the JH situation?? 

A: Yes, I don't know anything about this situation 

 

4-Q: Did you get hurt from that rolling paper or thought that he was mocking you? 

A: People are leaving hate comments saying that I didn't feel bad about the incident. I didn't feel bad that he misunderstood me as being gay, but I can't say anything about the LGBTQ community feeling hurt over what Taeyong said. 

[breakout]

whats stopping sm to sue the informant ?

and the fact that the victim  had to stand up for him against the harassment of this informant is CRAZY.

the person even wrote that he wasnt a victim

 

Edited June 23, 2020 by breakout

[Lyka]

So Taeyong's friend didnt even considers himself as a victim bc he knows it was a shitty joke between him and Taeyong. He's not hurt nor offended by the rolling paper. The informant is the one who potrayed taeyong's friend as a victim for her own agenda. 

[HRH Ayyu]

This is giving me a headace 

llol

 

Edit: someone needs to explain to me who the OP is unless im getting confused. I took at as it being a 3rd classmate who was there when the original mess happend at school but is neither the informant or victim?

 

edit 2: someone explained. This situation is messy.

Edited June 23, 2020 by HRH Ayyu

[breakout]

32 minutes ago, HRH Ayyu said:

This is giving me a headace 

So op is a third person. Not the victim and not the informate.

But someone who a classmate/knows taeyong nuna. From what i gather they are saying the informant " A" was the one who made a big deal out of what happened when they were in school n The victim B wasent as bothered originally.

I think beacuse the victim "B" signed a non disclosure they cant publicly comment either way. I think what's happening now is about A getting harrassed by taeyong fans(which was shitty) and wanting compensation. N A is dragging B into this mess. Even if B thought the apology wasent sincere, there is no benefit for her to bring all this up again when a settlement had been reached n there being a massive penalty attached. The informant has not talked about B getting harrassed, only the informant about themselve.

This is now about the informant n SM/taeyong.

The informant never got any compensation etc

cant you read the title? the op is the one directly involved

[HRH Ayyu]

7 minutes ago, breakout said:

cant you read the title? the op is the one directly involved

I did read it. OP was a classmate. He is not the victim or Informant?

The original op speaks about the victim in the 3rd person?

Im confused.

I took it as someone who was a classmate and was originally there during their time at school.

 

 

Edited June 23, 2020 by HRH Ayyu

[Evanescence]

51 minutes ago, HRH Ayyu said:

This is giving me a headace 

So op is a third person. Not the victim and not the informate.

But someone who a classmate/knows taeyong nuna. From what i gather they are saying the informant " A" was the one who made a big deal out of what happened when they were in school n The victim B wasent as bothered originally.

I think beacuse the victim "B" signed a non disclosure they cant publicly comment either way. I think what's happening now is about A getting harrassed by taeyong fans(which was shitty) and wanting compensation. N A is dragging B into this mess. Even if B thought the apology wasent sincere, there is no benefit for her to bring all this up again when a settlement had been reached n there being a massive penalty attached. The informant has not talked about B getting harrassed, only the informant about themselve.

This is now about the informant n SM/taeyong.

The informant never got any compensation etc

There were three people who the informant mentioned last year. The first was the person who was fat shamed by Taeyong. Not much is known on the situation with the second person. The third one was this person who made this post. He is upset that the informant posted what happened to him in middle school without asking him. The informant is acting like the spokesperson and he doesn't think it's right. He also doesn't believe they have anyone's best interest at heart. 

Edited June 23, 2020 by Evanescence

[HRH Ayyu]

3 minutes ago, Evanescence said:

There were three people who the informant mentioned last year. The first was the person was the one Taeyong fat shamed. Not much is known on the situation with the second person. The third one was this person who made the post. He is upset that the informant posted what happened to him in middle school without asking him. The informant is acting like the spokesperson and he doesn't think it's right. He also doesn't believe she has anyone's best interest at heart. 

Thank you for explaining.

i was around when it came out the first time but for some reason i got it in my head it was mainly 1 victim , who was the one who signed the agreement etc.

Did this person also accept taeyongs apology etc?

I think Nct fans and some kpop fans will know the full story because they follow the idols but knetz/ public wont. 

The mess the informant is creating is quiet menacing and quiet ironically the classmates /victims/whatever  might have to step in and defend Taeyong.

[Evanescence]

1 minute ago, HRH Ayyu said:

Thank you for explaining.

i was around when it came out the first time but for some reason i got it in my head it was mainly 1 victim , who was the one who signed the agreement etc.

Did this person also accept taeyongs apology etc?

I think Nct fans and some kpop fans will know the full story because they follow the idols but knetz/ public wont. 

The mess the informant is creating is quiet menacing and quiet ironically the classmates /victims/whatever  might have to step in and defend Taeyong.

No problem! This person accepted his apology, but he wasn't hurt by the comment. He said that Taeyong was just young and wrote that without really thinking. He also said that even though he wasn't bothered by it, he won't speak on behalf of the lgbt community.

That is so true. It seems like the informant has a personal problem with Taeyong. Everyone is trying to go on with their lives and they keep stirring the pot.

[Sourgraping]

A big slap to those people here on OH who slandered taeyong and calling him out of the group without even hearing the other side and the one who's directly involved. Did your soul left you already?

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

On 6/23/2020 at 1:55 PM, Evanescence said:

No problem! This person accepted his apology, but he wasn't hurt by the comment. He said that Taeyong was just young and wrote that without really thinking. He also said that even though he wasn't bothered by it, he won't speak on behalf of the lgbt community.

That is so true. It seems like the informant has a personal problem with Taeyong. Everyone is trying to go on with their lives and they keep stirring the pot.

21 hours ago, OhYeah_2020 said:

A big slap to those people here on OH who slandered taeyong and calling him out of the group without even hearing the other side and the one who's directly involved. Did your soul left you already?

On 6/23/2020 at 11:28 AM, Lyka said:

So Taeyong's friend didnt even considers himself as a victim bc he knows it was a shitty joke between him and Taeyong. He's not hurt nor offended by the rolling paper. The informant is the one who potrayed taeyong's friend as a victim for her own agenda. 

This is why I still have a problem with this though. As a gay NCTzen, gay "jokes" like this are tired as fuck. I don't blame him for this, but even though Taeyong was younger back then, to say that _____ was going to fail in life because he's "gay" is still not anything to gloss over. Just because the recipient of the message wasn't offended doesn't negate the problematic nature of these "jokes". I was in middle school and high school when I saw other feminine or openly gay classmates get bullied, get called f*ggots and made fun of. Even between friends, whenever I'd see people say "that's so gay" or "stop being gay" in casual conversation, it still made me uncomfortable as a kid because it implies that being "gay" is undesirable and shitty. I never considered this particular scandal "bullying", but I did think it was homophobic, regardless of his age. I was once his age too, and I never said things like that. 

Obviously this is an extremely minor thing of his past relative to how far he's come, but what I DON'T want to see is fans just brush this off to the side and declare this a non-issue simply because his friend was in on it. Like "OMG HIS FRIEND SAID IT WASNT AN ISSUE SO THEREFORE ITS NOT A PROBLEM HAHAHAHA TAEYONG DID NOTHING WRONG I TOLD YOU SO"... like, no. This is still not right and we all need to start shutting down this kind of derogatory homophobic rhetoric, no matter how small. I'm not trying to demonize Taeyong, but he has a HUGE platform and a HUGE young audience, many of which are the age that he was when all these alleged controversies occurred... and we all need to recognize that his past behaviour was wrong so that we don't perpetuate it in our own spaces, whether it's fat shaming, bullying, or homophobic comments. Again, I'm not trying to say that Taeyong is wrong for this, because a lot of kids do it, and I'm not even sure if I completely believe that he was the one that wrote this based simply off of a photo. But we as fans need to recognize little microaggressions like this as wrong.

Edited June 24, 2020 by jeong jaehyuns boyfriend

[Evanescence]

17 minutes ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

This is why I still have a problem with this though. As a gay NCTzen, gay "jokes" like this are tired as fuck. Even though Taeyong was younger back then, to say that _____ was going to fail in life because he's "gay" is still not anything to gloss over. Just because the recipient of the message wasn't offended doesn't negate the problematic nature of these "jokes". I was in middle school and high school when I saw other feminine or openly gay classmates get bullied, get called f*ggots and made fun of. Even between friends, whenever I'd see people say "that's so gay" or "stop being gay" in casual conversation, it still made me uncomfortable as a kid because it implies that being "gay" is undesirable and shitty. I never considered this particular scandal "bullying", but I did think it was homophobic, regardless of his age. I was once his age too, and I never said things like that. 

Obviously this is an extremely minor thing of his past relative to how far he's come, but what I DON'T want to see is fans just brush this off to the side and declare this a non-issue simply because his friend was in on it. Like "OMG HIS FRIEND SAID IT WASNT AN ISSUE SO THEREFORE ITS NOT A PROBLEM HAHAHAHA TAEYONG DID NOTHING WRONG I TOLD YOU SO"... like, no. This is still not right and we all need to start shutting down this kind of derogatory homophobic rhetoric, no matter how small. I'm not trying to demonize Taeyong, but he has a HUGE platform and a HUGE young audience, many of which are the age that he was when all these alleged controversies occurred... and we all need to recognize that his past behaviour was wrong so that we don't perpetuate it in our own spaces, whether it's fat shaming, bullying, or homophobic comments. 

 I think the reason why some tend to brush it off is because the informant made it seem as if he said it to antagonize his classmate. However, you're right about not skipping over the fact that the joke was in poor taste and homophobic. That's something that has to definitely change within societies. 

[Digiwon]

The fact that ppl were so quick to jump into conclusions... yikes. Even with internet nowadays and so many "woke" people, it's pretty obvious we haven't advanced mentally that much yet compared to the Inquisition age.

Seems like all the nasty stories were made by the same person who isn't even directly involved in any of these situations and have a personal agenda against Taeyong - not even accepting his apology that the ACTUAL victim accepted. Pathetic tbh, does this person even have a life?

Edited June 25, 2020 by Digiwon