[enter-talk] I WAS SO SHOCKED BY MOMO WHEN THEY SANG THE ENCORE AT SHOW CHAMPION

[A Hamster Named Loneliness]

29 minutes ago, justtree said:

I don't think nasal is Japanese language inherent tones. You don't even need to go to Japan to know this, just watch Japanese dramas or movies. I do observe that in real life the nasal voice is the tones that seems to be purposefully used by some female employees working in Japan in the service industries like restaurants, souvenirs shops, etc. Sometimes when some girls want to appear cute (like you see in some Japanese young female idols), they use the nasal voice too but that is not necessarily their normal/usual voice. 

Don't blame Momo's vocal habits on Japanese language or Japanese people, there are many, many Japanese singers that don't have the habits or if they used their nose to sing used the correct techniques and sound beautiful. Either JYP doesn't train her right or the habits have just been too ingrained. She can always learn but maybe it's not her priority now. 

if you've listened to her singing when she was on Sixteen or on songs where she sings with her lower register, she doesn't sound nasal at all. So it's a combination of her getting notes at the upper part of her register and how they want her to sing. 

[clevercactus]

11 hours ago, camelliabloom said:

How are you all defending this? Right, because kpop's musicality has deteriorated to the point that dancing is somehow considered just as valuable a skill as singing or rapping. This is music, not a fucking school talent show--they should be musicians. Clearly the fans of TWICE and other groups with subpar vocals don't know the difference.

I'm not disappointed because I've always accepted that TWICE had shit vocals to begin with. You can stan TWICE but don't make excuses for someone who wants to be considered a singer and have parts in songs when she can't sing and makes no effort to learn how to after years of training and performing. Vocalists like Momo, 3/4 of BTS's vocal line, and plenty of idols have no excuse for sounding like shit; even idols who are skilled vocalists like Baekhyun continue to go to vocal lessons. And don't blame JYP, she's a grown ass woman who has money and autonomy to at least get some lessons--Taemin was also similarly told he could never sing by SM's trainers and he went out of his way to learn.

I agree. 

I was preparing myself for bad vocals but I WHOA GOD... that was BAD BEYOND expectations. 

Twice has been around for how long now? Six years? She should have improved by this point. The line that she sang isn't a difficult line from Whitney Houston's "I have Nothing". It is a really easy line and melody and she destroyed it. 

Yes she is a good dancer, but she is a professional idol whose job is to sing and dance and sell albums/songs where we have to LISTEN to them singing. At the very least she needs to train her vocal to the level where it is just standard and not actively painful to hear. Otherwise she's just a backup dancer? Sorry not sorry. 

 

 

[pinkpanda_spirit]

11 hours ago, Stinkerbell said:

Who cares if she's not the best singer. She's the main dancer, not main singer

It's not about being the BEST singer but a DECENT one at least. Being the main dancer isn't an excuse, if you wanna have parts and be in an idol group that makes music then you should be able to hold a note (or rap). 

It has been what, 5 years already? and she still sounds as bad, that's an issue. 

She should take main dancers who still do their best to sing well and who don't only practice their dancing skills as example: kino, taemin, sinb, seulgi, namjoo, bomi, yuri, yein, eunbi, chaeyeon, yunkyoung, suyun and many many more. 

This is golden child's main dancer. He could easily think "Hey it's a 10-member group, who cares if I can't sing? As long as I'm really good at dancing it's okay, the ones in charge of vocal can sing well it's enough" but NAH. All of them are singers, they put out albums amd songs that contain all their voices so it's everyone's responsibility to pull off their parts well. And this, donghyun understood it. And the other main dancers I listed above as well. But momo still haven't. Maybe in 2035.

 

[valeriekmy96]

Momo being a bad singer is literally an old news and ppl shouldn't be surprised at this point, how did this thread manage to have 4 pages? Problematic celebs are everywhere and there's no reason to start a witch hunt against her, but I still wish she can improve her singing skills in the meantime cause seems like other members like sana and tzuyu have already improved. And srsly the stereotype of japanese ppl having nasally tones needs to be stopped, there are many japanese singers who don't sound nasally at all c'mon.

Anyway this thread doesn't worth much traffic, time to move on...

[Nev Schulman]

People saying she sounded better in feel special when she sounded exactly the same... come on don't lie to yourself.

 

She has been sounding like this to me since debut. 

 

This reminds me of the outrage when the pre debut videos of 5dolls Hyewon came out. People were gooped that she couldn't sing and became an idol:

 

[satoori]

2 hours ago, melancholic autumn said:

Their only nasal consonants are m and n just like any languages in the world and nasal vowels do not fucking exist in Japanese like they do in French, their vowels are the same as Spanish. Again, I'm actually studying Japanese (even majored in it in college and took a Linguistics course in it), don't try to argue with me the language is nasally when it isn't. Kawaii talk =/= normal Japanese talk. Korean aegyo speech can often be nasally, too. Heck there are Koreans with nasally voices, too. And show me who in my list of Japanese singers has a "nasally" voice that you so think all Japanese people have.  

Not every language have the nasal thing. Especially not as much as others. Also glad to see you suddenly agree tho. Before you were so adamant about Japanese not having any nasal. Also I clearly said in the beginning that it can be part of their Kawaii speaking too. So I mean, no need to explain that part to me. Lmfao never said it was every single Japanese person either. Only said there were many - which isn't a lie. Culturally there are many Japanese who do purposely speak with higher pitched tones. Literally all this stuff can be looked up online by anyone. 

edit: You're getting overly defensive, when it's not even meant to be a dragged...mess..

 

 

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by satoori

[Feraligatr]

10 hours ago, turn it up! said:

you have never liked twice so why are you expecting anything from them or momo? 

Twice has improved overall so I expected her not to sound that bad

[CatchingDreams]

She wasn't the only one who sounded bad during the encore the problem with her bad vs the rest is that you can tell she's straining herself to sound like that, you can hear her voice shaking. I dont find this style of singing to be cute. Sana sings in a cute voice but Momo sounds as though she's in the middle of crying and her nose is stuffy. 

She also speaks in the same manner and her voice shakes a lot while speaking as well. I worry that over time her vocal cords are going to be damaged and that should be the real concern. Her tone in sixteen was fine, it just needed to be improved not changed. I'd rather they give her no lines and let her stand out with her dancing over having to put that strain on her for very little lines.

[Vance]

At first it only started as valid criticsm, but it quickly turned into witch hunt fueled by the antis. There so many posts, thread, articles that are appearing right now. Antis are really working hard to get it to the most people they can. On naver it started appearing as "controversy" and "scandal" to make it more popular.

Now, there will be encore stage on mcoundown today and momo have like 3 choices:

1. She will sing similiar to yesterday so people will have more clips to criticize her and antis new thing to shit on them.

2. She will sing better than yesterday and will sound ok so some people could think that it was her bad day and some people will stop with criticsm and the entire thing will calm down a little 

3. She will skip her lines and not sing at all.

 

We will see what happens, but I would not be suprised if the scenario 3 happens, considering how momo is anxious about her voice. But scenario 3 will also bring shit on her. People will post  that she didn't sing today, since she's scared and will mock it. Or things like "if you don't want to  sing what are you doing in the group, leave the group" things like that.

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Vance

[satoori]

Question: Do Japanese fans complain about Momo vocals as much as some people? Lowkey, I feel her tone fit Twice's Japanese tracks when I listen to them.  The Japanese market is important to Twice and JYPE, financially. So yea it very well could be JYPE telling her to use these tones more when singing(?)..idk

[Weirdo123]

16 hours ago, love said:

i’m more confused that they bring up jihyo since she’s main vocal but then list a bunch of people who aren’t the main vocal in their groups...

shouldn’t the comparison be jihyo with wendy, yuju, rosé, and kei? 

I think the point of that comment is that Jihyo is the main vocalist of her group but isn't even as good as lead vocalists of other groups, thus pointing out Twice's lack of vocal skills

[dream thief]

There is no denying that she's not a strong vocalist. But Momo is hard working and I hope that she improves her vocals.

Edited June 11, 2020 by dream thief

[doki-doki]

15 hours ago, camelliabloom said:

I was an ARMY for over a year back in 2014-2015ish and am pretty familiar with the group (still have the badges which I need to get rid of). I can say that imo as a former fan and now not an 'anti' but a casual observer, their singing has deteriorated over the years.

BTS vocalists deteriorating??! This is a flat out lie though. Not claiming BTS are the best vocal group but all of the vocalists have improved with time, Jungkook and Jin especially. Jin was initially one of the weakest vocalists in the group but he has worked so hard to improve his vocals. He’s now the most stable live after Jungkook and I can attest to this hearing him live. He’s improved so much. People used to make so many threads on Jin calling him ‘useless’ but now that he’s improved, no one wants to talk about it because it doesn’t fit their narrative. 

[ruppi]

You all need to stop using Taemin to discuss vocals, you clearly have no idea what he actually went through lol. Taemin never was a bad vocalist, he just debuted in the middle of changing his voice since he was 14 and SM wanted to wait on given him vocal lessons until his vocals stabilised to not hurt them. He trained until his nose bleed afterwards because he is damn passionate about being the best performer but still people need to stop acting as if all bad singers can pull a Taemin, cause they can't lol. They can become decent however, I hate to say it but the way JYP is using Momo's voice almost ruins the entire song for me.

[SiIverFox]

1 hour ago, ruppi said:

You all need to stop using Taemin to discuss vocals, you clearly have no idea what he actually went through lol. Taemin never was a bad vocalist, he just debuted in the middle of changing his voice since he was 14 and SM wanted to wait on given him vocal lessons until his vocals stabilised to not hurt them. He trained until his nose bleed afterwards because he is damn passionate about being the best performer but still people need to stop acting as if all bad singers can pull a Taemin, cause they can't lol. They can become decent however, I hate to say it but the way JYP is using Momo's voice almost ruins the entire song for me.

Thank you.

[Sourgraping]

Thats awkward 

[Yeul]

6 hours ago, satoori said:

Not every language have the nasal thing. Especially not as much as others. Also glad to see you suddenly agree tho. Before you were so adamant about Japanese not having any nasal. Also I clearly said in the beginning that it can be part of their Kawaii speaking too. So I mean, no need to explain that part to me. Lmfao never said it was every single Japanese person either. Only said there were many - which isn't a lie. Culturally there are many Japanese who do purposely speak with higher pitched tones. Literally all this stuff can be looked up online by anyone. 

edit: You're getting overly defensive, when it's not even meant to be a dragged...mess..

 

 

 

Please, keep quiet, listen to those talented Japanese artists and stop spreading stereotypes in order to defend your faves. 

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Yeul

[Happy_04]

Who's cares? ppl still buying their albums and attending their concerts.. Everything will be fine.. 

[Sofs]

I think we all know Momo isn't the best singing and as much as funny you found her face after she sang, she looked extremely sad and down the rest of the video. Even if she wasn't made to sing, or if she needs vocal training or if you found her reaction later funny it was obvious a nervous reaction to the situation and she's most likely feeling the worst after that and this judgement. Koreans won't be nice on this either. I feel bad for her. She knows her weakness and she lacks confidence while singing and this is just a sad public moment. I want to hug her.

[minhoe]

twice vocals are a joke

 

stop using the dancer excuse..even hyoyeon can sing better than this

[momomo]

9 hours ago, Jikrytae said:

Except she doesn't. But she obviously should. That's what gets me about her complete inability to sing. If she's there for her dancing ability, then let her dance, but don't make me listen to her.

LMAO have you looked at the line distribution? She is generally at the bottom, let me show you the last 4 recent title tracks.

More & More: Momo 9th - 7.3%

Feel Special: Mina, Sana, Momo - 7th/8th/9th - 8.4%

Fancy: Momo 8th - 6.1%

Yes or Yes: Momo, Chaeyoung 7th/8th - 7%

 

She can't get 0 lines bc her fans would still want to hear her voice whether she's good or bad. Like I said, it would be good if she could improve but not everyone can get better just with practice. Just like how some idols will always be a stiff dancers no matter how much they practice. 

[satoori]

2 hours ago, Yeul said:

Please, keep quiet, listen to those talented Japanese artists and stop spreading stereotypes in order to defend your faves. 

 

1. Again, never said it was all Japanese. Some of y'all really need to learn to read every word.

2. Posting those video isn't proving a point. Again never said it was every single Japanese person or artist lol

3. Momo vocal would fit in a Jpop girl group like AKB48 or etc.

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by satoori

[satoori]

7 hours ago, satoori said:

Question: Do Japanese fans complain about Momo vocals as much as some people? Lowkey, I feel her tone fit Twice's Japanese tracks when I listen to them.  The Japanese market is important to Twice and JYPE, financially. So yea it very well could be JYPE telling her to use these tones more when singing(?)..idk

 

[sakurahanabira]

8 hours ago, satoori said:

Not every language have the nasal thing. Especially not as much as others. Also glad to see you suddenly agree tho. Before you were so adamant about Japanese not having any nasal. Also I clearly said in the beginning that it can be part of their Kawaii speaking too. So I mean, no need to explain that part to me. Lmfao never said it was every single Japanese person either. Only said there were many - which isn't a lie. Culturally there are many Japanese who do purposely speak with higher pitched tones. Literally all this stuff can be looked up online by anyone. 

edit: You're getting overly defensive, when it's not even meant to be a dragged...mess..

 

 

 

Nowhere did I agree that Japanese is nasal, I said their only nasal consonants are m and n like every single fucking language in the world because the consonants m and n are produced in the nasal cavity and cannot be produced any other way. 

[Rojen]

I feel bad for the girl because at the end she is not a vocalist and she seemed uncomfortable...

 

I don't know if JYP the man is the one who decides the line distributions, but he or the one who does it should do a better job and not expose her idols singing lines that they shouldn't.