Since Jpop is a genre of its own, does that mean Dreamcatcher is Jpop?

[satoori]

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[Gene_e]

They have some songs that fit into the concept but I don't think so, they are a kpop group that have some songs in japanese as many other kpop groups.

[satoori]

Just now, Gene_e said:

They have some songs that fit into the concept but I don't think so, they are a kpop group that have some songs in japanese as many other kpop groups.

That's what I would think too. But apparently Kaachi is considered Kpop by some people, so why can't Dreamcatcher be Jpop?

[Gene_e]

1 minute ago, satoori said:

That's what I would think too. But apparently Kaachi is considered Kpop by some people, so why can't Dreamcatcher be Jpop?

Who is Kaachi?

[satoori]

1 minute ago, Gene_e said:

Who is Kaachi?

A girl group from the UK. apparently first UK Kpop group to some people.

So since a artist can be pop/hip hop/r&b...basically a mix of genres...and since Kpop, Cpop, Jpop, Vpop, etc are all genres of their own too in 2020, then that means many Kpop groups are Jpop too. Why have the different sections on OneHallyu?

[Feary]

How is Dreamcatcher Jpop??? First of all, Jpop is not all heavy metal or rock sound. It's litterally "Pop". AKB48 with all their bright cute songs are also Jpop. Does that make AKB48 kpop then? 

As for the Jrock which I guess is what you meant since Dreamcatcher seems to have a more rock inspired sound. The Japanese did NOT invent rock music. So if Koreans want to mix their pop with rock not sure how you automatically came out with Jrock.

Next this who comparison between Kaachi and Dreamcatcher is nothing but a false equivalency you made to prove a backwards point.

Leave Kaachi alone and stop gate keeping. As far as what can be and can not be considered Kpop there is no clear definition (if there were this point would not have been argued over and over again so long). I don't see Knetz getting their pants wet all over this so I don't see why ifans can't just eat their food. The more and more I see people mad about Kaachi the more I feel like they are jealous.

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[Deukae07]

4 minutes ago, satoori said:

That's what I would think too. But apparently Kaachi is considered Kpop by some people, so why can't Dreamcatcher be Jpop?

It's because they're a kpop group who sings in Korean. I'd only consider their jpn songs (original songs like I Miss You, Breaking Out and Endless Night) as jpop since... they're sung in Japanese.

[satoori]

6 minutes ago, SM's Kunta Kinte Silence said:

How is Dreamcatcher Jpop??? First of all, Jpop is not all heavy metal or rock sound. It's litterally "Pop". AKB48 with all their bright cute songs are also Jpop. Does that make AKB48 kpop then? 

As for the Jrock which I guess is what you meant since Dreamcatcher seems to have a more rock inspired sound. The Japanese did NOT invent rock music. So if Koreans want to mix their pop with rock not sure how you automatically csme out with Jrock.

Next this who comparison between Kaachi and Dreamcatcher is nothing but a false equivalency you made to prove a backwards point.

Leave Kaachi alone and stop gate keeping. As far as what can be and can not be considered Kpop there is no clear line. I don't see Knetz getting their pants wet all over this so I don't see why ifans can't just eat their food. The more and more I see people mad about Kaachi the more I feel like they are jealous.

So Kaachi is Kpop but Dreamcatcher can't be Jpop? I'm confuse

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[Feary]

Just now, satoori said:

So Kaachi is Kpop but Dreamcatcher can't be Kpop? I'm confuse

I know you are confused. Based on this reply you seem to have comprehensive issues. No offense. 

[satoori]

Just now, Deukae07 said:

It's because they're a kpop group who sings in Korean. I'd only consider their jpn songs (original songs like I Miss You, Breaking Out and Endless Night) as jpop since... they're sung in Japanese.

So they're a Jpop group too. 

Are they a Krock group? 

Why even use K and J...can't we just called them a pop or rock group?

[Feary]

Just now, satoori said:

So they're a Jpop group too. 

Are they a Krock group? 

Why even use K and J...can't we just called them a pop or rock group?

Lmao somewhere in that head of yours I think you really believe you're asking something smart here. 

[satoori]

1 minute ago, SM's Kunta Kinte Silence said:

Lmao somewhere in that head of yours I think you really believe you're asking something smart here. 

You still haven't made your point clear. 

So you feel Dreamcatcher is Jrock?

[Deukae07]

1 minute ago, satoori said:

So they're a Jpop group too. 

Are they a Krock group? 

Why even use K and J...can't we just called them a pop or rock group?

Yeah I think so. Not sure if they are considered so in Korea tho

We can call them a pop or rock group tho. The K and J are just to tell what language the song is in. 

[rananicolee]

Just now, Deukae07 said:

Yeah I think so. Not sure if they are considered so in Korea tho

We can call them a pop or rock group tho. The K and J are just to tell what language the song is in. 

Pop rock would be the correct term. Rock influenced pop music. Like pop punk is punk influenced pop music ie Blink 182. 

[Feary]

4 minutes ago, satoori said:

You still haven't made your point clear. 

So you feel Dreamcatcher is Jrock?

And you still haven't improved your lack of comprehension. What's new? Suggestion. Maybe improve that first and next time the point won't go over your head?

[A Hamster Named Loneliness]

no. It's like how BoA and DBSK have pretty much established themselves in Japan but they are still seen as K-pop artists not J-pop artists. 

[blossoms]

kpop and jpop are industries - the kpop name implies you have went through the korean entertainment companies rigorous training and followed the structure to debut. kpop has an order to things and a way in which everything from music, comebacks, fan interactions and concerts.
Dreamcatcher is a Kpop group in all senses of the word. If KAACHI wants to take inspiration from the typical 'kpop sound' and call themselves kpop let them. but they are only ever capable of taking that one aspect. 

[satoori]

5 minutes ago, Deukae07 said:

Yeah I think so. Not sure if they are considered so in Korea tho

We can call them a pop or rock group tho. The K and J are just to tell what language the song is in. 

I wonder why we group everyone as Kpop, although they don't all do "pop" music lol

So the K and J is for the language. So when Kpop groups sing in English they become Western(?) pop, but Western media still calls them Kpop...all of this is so confusing  

[sakurahanabira]

Um no. Dreamcatcher's sound is Jrock-inspired, but they're not Jrock or Jpop. Jpop = pop music sung in Japanese. 

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[satoori]

10 minutes ago, SM's Kunta Kinte Silence said:

And you still haven't improved your lack of comprehension. What's new? Suggestion. Maybe improve that first and next time the point won't go over your head?

Still avoiding the question...

8 minutes ago, A Hamster Named Loneliness said:

no. It's like how BoA and DBSK have pretty much established themselves in Japan but they are still seen as K-pop artists not J-pop artists. 

Could they "technically" be Jpop tho, even if people don't see them as so?

If the Japanese language is irrelevant to Jpop, then what makes Jpop different then other genres of pop in other countries?

[satoori]

9 minutes ago, blossoms said:

kpop and jpop are industries - the kpop name implies you have went through the korean entertainment companies rigorous training and followed the structure to debut. kpop has an order to things and a way in which everything from music, comebacks, fan interactions and concerts.
Dreamcatcher is a Kpop group in all senses of the word. If KAACHI wants to take inspiration from the typical 'kpop sound' and call themselves kpop let them. but they are only ever capable of taking that one aspect. 

So training and the industry is important. That what makes the Kpop special.

 Inspired by Kpop. Sort of like how Kpop groups are inspired and influenced by different music from around the world, but we still call them Kpop groups.

Just now, melancholic autumn said:

Um no. Dreamcatcher's sound is Jrock-inspired, but they're not Jrock or Jpop. 

So you're saying the word "inspired" also. I see...

[Deukae07]

28 minutes ago, satoori said:

I wonder why we group everyone as Kpop, although they don't all do "pop" music lol

So the K and J is for the language. So when Kpop groups sing in English they become Western(?) pop, but Western media still calls them Kpop...all of this is so confusing  

I dunno tbh. Pop is short for popular music, which is a vast range of genres.

As for the latter, in that case it's a pop song sung by said kpop group. I guess there is a need to refer the K since it's also part of their identity.

[satoori]

5 minutes ago, Deukae07 said:

I dunno tbh. Pop is short for popular music, which is a vast range of genres.

As for the latter, in that case it's a pop song sung by said kpop group. I guess there is a need to refer the K since it's also part of their identity.

True, its popular 

"A pop song sung by a K (Korean) pop group". Being Korean and/or from the Korean industry is part of their identity. That's what makes the "K". Otherwise you're just a pop group from your own country's industry. 

[Mrs. Morale]

Pop is the gene. The J is that it is in Japanese.

[satoori]

6 minutes ago, fullofjoy said:

Pop is the gene. The J is that it is in Japanese.

So Kpop isn't a genre.