[pannchoa] THIS IS K-POP VS THIS IS NOT K-POP

[nefhilim]

"Europe's first K-POP group KAACHI, first debut in London"

they are a girgl group called KAACHI. They gathered 4 people who dreamed of becoming K-POP singers and who used to be K-POP dancers. They are planning to have a documentary about the development of these 4 members and it will be broadcast on the famous Channel 4 in the UK.

They also debuted as a K-POP cover dance team and their home city is London

What do you think?
K-pop is a genre so this is also K-pop
vs
We don't have any regional association with them so how is this K-pop?

original post: here

 

1. First of all, these people call themselves K-pop so they are trying to go for the K-pop vibe. I personally think that it's a good thing that K-pop becomes a genre

2. I think that this is K-pop

3. K-pop is indeed becoming its own genre but I'm not sure what are the standards for it so I don't know if they are considered K-popㅋ but first, if they sing in Korean, I think that they can call themselves K-pop

4. I think that... rather than K-pop, they are more like idols?? Even as idols, they can be C-pop or J-pop and not necessarily K-pop so.... but I think that there's an unclear line to draw the lines of what is considered K-pop and what is not

5. I think it's K-pop

6. Of course it's K-pop ㅇ.ㅇ

7. If they sing in Korean, then why shouldn't it be K-pop? They even have a Korean member. Regardless of your nationality, if you promote in the states and sing in English, aren't you considered pop?

8. I don't think it's K-pop..... but they are cute ㅋㅋㅋ

9. But I get a weird feeling...ㅋㅋㅋ

10. Don't they have to debut in Korea for them to be considered K-pop?

[satoori]

LOL

[seokii]

I know it's going to be unpopular with international fans but i'm in the "this is kpop" camp

" K-pop (abbreviation of Korean pop; Korean: 케이팝) is a genre of popular music originating in South Korea.^[1] While the modern form of K-pop can be traced back to the early 90s, the term itself has been popularized since the 2000s, replacing the term Gayo (가요), which also refers to domestic pop music in South Korea.^[2][3] Although it generally indicates "popular music" within South Korea, the term is often used in a narrower sense to describe a modern form of South Korean pop that is influenced by styles and genres from around the world, such as experimental, rock, jazz, gospel, hip hop, R&B, reggae, electronic dance, folk, country, and classical on top of its traditional Korean music roots. "

If we are talking about K-pop as a genre, there's no reason you couldn't call this K-pop.

[babushka]

if this isn't K-POP (although they sing in Korean), then why do Koreans artists who sing in English get their music branded as K-POP?

 

[blossoms]

can't believe knetz found out about kaachi this is so embarassing lmao

[Trashie]

SOMEONE SAYS THIS IS CUTE

[A h n]

I don't think it's K-pop 

[Iljin Oppa]

Basically a big middle finger to everyone offended by them and playing the cultural appropriation card.

Still cringey as fuck though.

[soyundorito]

If koreans are okay with this then I don’t see a reason as to why us non koreans be mad and calling them things, I won’t listen to them but is extremely stupid to send them hate and call them names and treat them as “racist” just don’t pay them attention and stfu 

[godblessdelulu]

This is Koreaboo

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

21 minutes ago, soyundorito said:

If koreans are okay with this then I don’t see a reason as to why us non koreans be mad and calling them things, I won’t listen to them but is extremely stupid to send them hate and call them names and treat them as “racist” just don’t pay them attention and stfu 

1 hour ago, seokii said:

I know it's going to be unpopular with international fans but i'm in the "this is kpop" camp

" K-pop (abbreviation of Korean pop; Korean: 케이팝) is a genre of popular music originating in South Korea.^[1] While the modern form of K-pop can be traced back to the early 90s, the term itself has been popularized since the 2000s, replacing the term Gayo (가요), which also refers to domestic pop music in South Korea.^[2][3] Although it generally indicates "popular music" within South Korea, the term is often used in a narrower sense to describe a modern form of South Korean pop that is influenced by styles and genres from around the world, such as experimental, rock, jazz, gospel, hip hop, R&B, reggae, electronic dance, folk, country, and classical on top of its traditional Korean music roots. "

If we are talking about K-pop as a genre, there's no reason you couldn't call this K-pop.

1 hour ago, babushka said:

if this isn't K-POP (although they sing in Korean), then why do Koreans artists who sing in English get their music branded as K-POP?

i dont get this logic. so we have to follow what korean people say and do? no... lol we can have our own opinions as non-korean international fans of kpop as a genre of music. we dont need approval from knetz for our opinions.

to me, kaachi is not kpop. theyre basically a cosplay/cover group trying to sell themselves as an actual kpop group. and yes, i don't think that they're racist, but i do think that part of what makes this group problematic involves race, and people are allowed to have a discussion about that (without being hateful, of course). what if there was a group primarily made of white people that claimed to be a latin american pop group, or an african pop group? would that make it any better, if white singers started a group and tried to brand themselves as a hispanic or black music group? what makes this any different? you cant just dye your hair and sing in korean, and call yourselves a kpop group. there's more to it than that. it comes with being based in korea and having a cultural presence in your group and in your music. 

in my opinion, this is no different than white actors taking up asian roles in hollywood. asian actors are already marginalized and dont receive the same opportunities that their white counterparts do. so when you cast a white actor for an asian role, youre taking an opportunity away from an asian person, who is already struggling to find success in the few niche roles that are available to them. that's something called privilege. kpop gives korean and non-korean east/southeast asian people representation and visibility in the global music industry. we dont need this group to "spread kpop to america and europe", we need ACTUAL KPOP GROUPS with actual korean/asian people to shine on those stages. PERIOD! im not a fan of BTS, but that's what makes BTS so amazing - the fact that a korean pop group was able to break through into the mainstream american music industry, despite singing in korean and being composed of entirely korean members, and theyve always continued to center their culture in their music. 

what's the difference between kaachi and a kpop cover group, other than the fact that they dont consider themselves a "cover" group and came out with an original song? im not attacking them, and i dont condone spreading hate to anyone - but personally, for me... they dont come off to me as authentic kpop and they lack cultural integrity. 

im not directing this at any of you specifically, i just feel strongly about this. theyre playing their privilege pass card, big time. and im not here for it.

Edited May 3, 2020 by jeong jaehyuns boyfriend

[jjoyul]

kpop artists who? they seem more like a group of koreaboos to me

[Walmart Goddess]

I don't think these white kpop inspired groups (Kaachi, EXP EDITION) being cringe is solely due to their race. I've seen other kpop cosplayers who are asian that make me cringe as well like SB19. People actually brag about SB19 being korean produced in order to validate it as "good" (because korea is sooooo superior *sarcasm*, Colonial mentality much...). All of it is bad in my eyes due to it looking like a parody of kpop rather than a real Pop group.

 

Alex from Rania is the only Non-asian kpop star who didn't make me cringe.

Edited May 3, 2020 by Walmart Goddess

[A Hamster Named Loneliness]

2 hours ago, Iljin Oppa said:

Basically a big middle finger to everyone offended by them and playing the cultural appropriation card.

Still cringey as fuck though.

technically since there's a Korean member then doesn't that make it not cultural appropriation? 

33 minutes ago, hojipoji said:

kpop artists who? they seem more like a group of koreaboos to me

one of the members is legit Korean. 

[Danee Danee]

2 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

i dont get this logic. so we have to follow what korean people say and do? no... lol we can have our own opinions as non-korean international fans of kpop as a genre of music. we dont need approval from knetz for our opinions.

to me, kaachi is not kpop. theyre basically a cosplay/cover group trying to sell themselves as an actual kpop group. and yes, i don't think that they're racist, but i do think that part of what makes this group problematic involves race, and people are allowed to have a discussion about that (without being hateful, of course). what if there was a group primarily made of white people that claimed to be a latin american pop group, or an african pop group? would that make it any better, if white singers started a group and tried to brand themselves as a hispanic or black music group? what makes this any different? you cant just dye your hair and sing in korean, and call yourselves a kpop group. there's more to it than that. it comes with being based in korea and having a cultural presence in your group and in your music. 

in my opinion, this is no different than white actors taking up asian roles in hollywood. asian actors are already marginalized and dont receive the same opportunities that their white counterparts do. so when you cast a white actor for an asian role, youre taking an opportunity away from an asian person, who is already struggling to find success in the few niche roles that are available to them. that's something called privilege. kpop gives korean and non-korean east/southeast asian people representation and visibility in the global music industry. we dont need this group to "spread kpop to america and europe", we need ACTUAL KPOP GROUPS with actual korean/asian people to shine on those stages. PERIOD! im not a fan of BTS, but that's what makes BTS so amazing - the fact that a korean pop group was able to break through into the mainstream american music industry, despite singing in korean and being composed of entirely korean members, and theyve always continued to center their culture in their music. 

what's the difference between kaachi and a kpop cover group, other than the fact that they dont consider themselves a "cover" group and came out with an original song? im not attacking them, and i dont condone spreading hate to anyone - but personally, for me... they dont come off to me as authentic kpop and they lack cultural integrity. 

im not directing this at any of you specifically, i just feel strongly about this. theyre playing their privilege pass card, big time. and im not here for it.

You are seriously pushing the issue way too much tbh.

As kpop singers these girls have no privilege. More like other way around. They are going to get laughted at, hated and hella ridiculed because of their race. Their chances to make it are basically non existent because of their race. Doesnt it makes them victims of modern days racism as well?

Also dont get why people put US on such a pedestral and everything coming out of there is marked as big, important and global. In the end Hollywood is local industry, Oscars are local show, American music is local industry... Its only you who has the impression they need to serve the whole world just because people made choice to consume whatever they put out. You dont like cast? Dont watch, ignore. Its the best thing people can do, cause its affecting the companies creating the product. More then random bitching on sns which works more like promo for the movie. Demanding them to cast people of other nationalities is seriously the same as demanding kpop to get black and white idols as well since now whole world decided to consume it. Kpop is also local industry. And globally speaking Asians arent minority.

Maybe thats why actual Koreans who should be the angry ones can laugh at them while you are being pressed about four young girls who will never make it out of "meme" lvl in their own country aka will have to live with being embarassed in front of whole country.  

2 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

Spoiler

 

 

Edited May 3, 2020 by Danee Danee
It got posted twice and I cannot even delete part of it it cause the new template sucks on phone. ^^

[felidae]

3. K-pop is indeed becoming its own genre but I'm not sure what are the standards for it so I don't know if they are considered K-popㅋ but first, if they sing in Korean, I think that they can call themselves K-pop

 

yeah, whats the standard of "kpop" genre? South-korean based company? Sing in korean? Have korean members? 

[babushka]

9 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

i dont get this logic. so we have to follow what korean people say and do? no... lol we can have our own opinions as non-korean international fans of kpop as a genre of music. we dont need approval from knetz for our opinions.

to me, kaachi is not kpop. theyre basically a cosplay/cover group trying to sell themselves as an actual kpop group. and yes, i don't think that they're racist, but i do think that part of what makes this group problematic involves race, and people are allowed to have a discussion about that (without being hateful, of course). what if there was a group primarily made of white people that claimed to be a latin american pop group, or an african pop group? would that make it any better, if white singers started a group and tried to brand themselves as a hispanic or black music group? what makes this any different? you cant just dye your hair and sing in korean, and call yourselves a kpop group. there's more to it than that. it comes with being based in korea and having a cultural presence in your group and in your music. 

in my opinion, this is no different than white actors taking up asian roles in hollywood. asian actors are already marginalized and dont receive the same opportunities that their white counterparts do. so when you cast a white actor for an asian role, youre taking an opportunity away from an asian person, who is already struggling to find success in the few niche roles that are available to them. that's something called privilege. kpop gives korean and non-korean east/southeast asian people representation and visibility in the global music industry. we dont need this group to "spread kpop to america and europe", we need ACTUAL KPOP GROUPS with actual korean/asian people to shine on those stages. PERIOD! im not a fan of BTS, but that's what makes BTS so amazing - the fact that a korean pop group was able to break through into the mainstream american music industry, despite singing in korean and being composed of entirely korean members, and theyve always continued to center their culture in their music. 

what's the difference between kaachi and a kpop cover group, other than the fact that they dont consider themselves a "cover" group and came out with an original song? im not attacking them, and i dont condone spreading hate to anyone - but personally, for me... they dont come off to me as authentic kpop and they lack cultural integrity. 

im not directing this at any of you specifically, i just feel strongly about this. theyre playing their privilege pass card, big time. and im not here for it.

you're thinking way too much into it.

first of all, what do you mean the group is a cosplay group? what does that mean? cosplay into K-POP idols? what would that entail? it's not like K-POP wear costumes, they wear clothes POP stars generally wear. dying your hair? lol this is not exclusive to the K-POP world. they're not a cover group either since they've only released original music as far as I know.

"what if there was a group primarily made of white people that claimed to be a latin american pop group, or an african pop group?"
White people can be Latinos, so I don't see the problem with that. an "African pop group" is pretty unheard of. I know what you're trying to do but there isn't really an active African pop group at the moment. but even if they did, I'm sure if the White people respected the African culture, then there wouldn't be an issue. 

"they dont come off to me as authentic kpop and they lack cultural integrity." 
what's "authentic" K-POP to you? I'm curious.

also these White K-POP groups ain't anything new, we've seen it with those White dudes and they flopped to the pits and I don't know why y'all are so bothered, just let them be damn 

[hynapia]

I mean technically kpop is literally "pop in Korean" so if they sing in Korean I guess you can call it kpop, but they don't belong to the kpop industry because they haven't been trained in Korea and they aren't active in Korea. Idk, it's a weird situation tbh.

[rananicolee]

See my thing is: who cares? If you don't want them to be famous then don't pay attention to them. They have at least a million views on their music video because people keep talking about them. If you don't like them then why are you wasting your energy trying to wonder if they're kpop or not? Why do you care to spend your time and energy mocking these girls when you don't like them? 

It's so easy to ignore a musical group when you don't like them. Just don't pay attention to them. 

The only thing I found funny was their fandom name but, really, I'm not about to spend my time hating on a group of girls for whatever reasons. That's weird. 

[YooJeong]

In my opinion it's not K-Pop because I view K-Pop as a geographic thing. Like, music generated from (South) Korea, by citizens of South Korea. Just because an artist sings in English doesn't make it American or British music. It's more about where the music was made, in my opinion. 

If we're viewing K-Pop as a genre...then any song that's pop and in Korean is K-Pop. So. 

17 hours ago, babushka said:

if this isn't K-POP (although they sing in Korean), then why do Koreans artists who sing in English get their music branded as K-POP?

 

Because they are Korean artists. From Korea. As in, they are citizens of the country (I use citizens loosely because I would include immigrants and refugees who have lived there for a long time) and make music in Korea. So, it's Korean music. Similar to Korean food - there are lots of different dishes but they originated in Korea so it's considered Korean food. Music created and originated in Korea is Korean and the genre can vary within that. 

It's the "K" that matters. It's about geography not about genre. "Korean" isn't a genre. POP is a genre. K-Pop is Korean pop. K-Rock is Korean rock. 

If you want to interpret it differently, the K in K-Pop could be alluding to the language.So you can interpret K-Pop as Korean pop, or as Pop in Korean. 

Edit: this isn't Kpop either way. I just heard the song. They sing like 85% in English and a few sentences in Korean. This is a pop song mainly sang in English, created by a group from London. What about it is K-Pop? At least 60% of the song should be in Korean for this to even be a debate lol, even if you think it's just about the language. 

Edited May 3, 2020 by YooJeong

[babushka]

37 minutes ago, YooJeong said:

Because they are Korean artists. From Korea. As in, they are citizens of the country (I use citizens loosely because I would include immigrants and refugees who have lived there for a long time) and make music in Korea. So, it's Korean music. Similar to Korean food - there are lots of different dishes but they originated in Korea so it's considered Korean food. Music created and originated in Korea is Korean and the genre can vary within that. 

It's the "K" that matters. It's about geography not about genre. "Korean" isn't a genre. POP is a genre. K-Pop is Korean pop. K-Rock is Korean rock. 

If you want to interpret it differently, the K in K-Pop could be alluding to the language.So you can interpret K-Pop as Korean pop, or as Pop in Korean. 

Edit: this isn't Kpop either way. I just heard the song. They sing like 85% in English and a few sentences in Korean. This is a pop song mainly sang in English, created by a group from London. What about it is K-Pop? At least 60% of the song should be in Korean for this to even be a debate lol, even if you think it's just about the language. 

would you consider Amerie a K-POP artist since she's mixed with Korean?

[Oppa did mean it]

Bruh it amazes me how Korean and international fans never seem to agree on 99% of things

Either way this doesn't surprise me, people are very happy when their country has some kind of cultural impact in other countries

IMHO I think it's cringe but in all honesty its not "bad", they did get more hate than they deserved in all honesty

[YooJeong]

1 hour ago, babushka said:

would you consider Amerie a K-POP artist since she's mixed with Korean?

Does she sing in Korean and grow up in Korea? If not, then no. 

Just being mixed or just being Korean doesn't make it K-Pop either. It's about where the music originates. For example, if you are Korean but you were born and raised in the U.S and you sign in English, then  it's not K-Pop, it's just pop. 

This is just my personal opinion and viewpoint. There is really no right or wrong answer, it's just an interpretation. For me, it's K-Pop if someone who speaks Korean and grew up in Korea makes the music, but that's just me.

Edited May 3, 2020 by YooJeong

[hynapia]

1 hour ago, YooJeong said:

In my opinion it's not K-Pop because I view K-Pop as a geographic thing. Like, music generated from (South) Korea, by citizens of South Korea. Just because an artist sings in English doesn't make it American or British music. It's more about where the music was made, in my opinion. 

If we're viewing K-Pop as a genre...then any song that's pop and in Korean is K-Pop. So. 

Because they are Korean artists. From Korea. As in, they are citizens of the country (I use citizens loosely because I would include immigrants and refugees who have lived there for a long time) and make music in Korea. So, it's Korean music. Similar to Korean food - there are lots of different dishes but they originated in Korea so it's considered Korean food. Music created and originated in Korea is Korean and the genre can vary within that. 

It's the "K" that matters. It's about geography not about genre. "Korean" isn't a genre. POP is a genre. K-Pop is Korean pop. K-Rock is Korean rock. 

If you want to interpret it differently, the K in K-Pop could be alluding to the language.So you can interpret K-Pop as Korean pop, or as Pop in Korean. 

Edit: this isn't Kpop either way. I just heard the song. They sing like 85% in English and a few sentences in Korean. This is a pop song mainly sang in English, created by a group from London. What about it is K-Pop? At least 60% of the song should be in Korean for this to even be a debate lol, even if you think it's just about the language. 

A lot of kpop idols aren't Korean tho. There's even a group called Honey Popcorn where all the members are japanese and they're still considered kpop idols.

[Oli London]

I feel like this is just a caricature of kpop. They can go Chad future's route and call it British K-pop or whatever. Honestly, they are everything I imagined them to be: subpar dancing, vocals, and poor Korean. If you can't dance better than Jennie on a lazy day, then just don't. And any nugu K-pop group can do better. Why should we give this foreign group attention for doing a quarter of what nugu kpop groups can do?