[pannchoa] THIS IS K-POP VS THIS IS NOT K-POP

[babushka]

if this isn't K-POP (although they sing in Korean), then why do Koreans artists who sing in English get their music branded as K-POP?

 

[babushka]

9 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

i dont get this logic. so we have to follow what korean people say and do? no... lol we can have our own opinions as non-korean international fans of kpop as a genre of music. we dont need approval from knetz for our opinions.

to me, kaachi is not kpop. theyre basically a cosplay/cover group trying to sell themselves as an actual kpop group. and yes, i don't think that they're racist, but i do think that part of what makes this group problematic involves race, and people are allowed to have a discussion about that (without being hateful, of course). what if there was a group primarily made of white people that claimed to be a latin american pop group, or an african pop group? would that make it any better, if white singers started a group and tried to brand themselves as a hispanic or black music group? what makes this any different? you cant just dye your hair and sing in korean, and call yourselves a kpop group. there's more to it than that. it comes with being based in korea and having a cultural presence in your group and in your music. 

in my opinion, this is no different than white actors taking up asian roles in hollywood. asian actors are already marginalized and dont receive the same opportunities that their white counterparts do. so when you cast a white actor for an asian role, youre taking an opportunity away from an asian person, who is already struggling to find success in the few niche roles that are available to them. that's something called privilege. kpop gives korean and non-korean east/southeast asian people representation and visibility in the global music industry. we dont need this group to "spread kpop to america and europe", we need ACTUAL KPOP GROUPS with actual korean/asian people to shine on those stages. PERIOD! im not a fan of BTS, but that's what makes BTS so amazing - the fact that a korean pop group was able to break through into the mainstream american music industry, despite singing in korean and being composed of entirely korean members, and theyve always continued to center their culture in their music. 

what's the difference between kaachi and a kpop cover group, other than the fact that they dont consider themselves a "cover" group and came out with an original song? im not attacking them, and i dont condone spreading hate to anyone - but personally, for me... they dont come off to me as authentic kpop and they lack cultural integrity. 

im not directing this at any of you specifically, i just feel strongly about this. theyre playing their privilege pass card, big time. and im not here for it.

you're thinking way too much into it.

first of all, what do you mean the group is a cosplay group? what does that mean? cosplay into K-POP idols? what would that entail? it's not like K-POP wear costumes, they wear clothes POP stars generally wear. dying your hair? lol this is not exclusive to the K-POP world. they're not a cover group either since they've only released original music as far as I know.

"what if there was a group primarily made of white people that claimed to be a latin american pop group, or an african pop group?"
White people can be Latinos, so I don't see the problem with that. an "African pop group" is pretty unheard of. I know what you're trying to do but there isn't really an active African pop group at the moment. but even if they did, I'm sure if the White people respected the African culture, then there wouldn't be an issue. 

"they dont come off to me as authentic kpop and they lack cultural integrity." 
what's "authentic" K-POP to you? I'm curious.

also these White K-POP groups ain't anything new, we've seen it with those White dudes and they flopped to the pits and I don't know why y'all are so bothered, just let them be damn 

[babushka]

37 minutes ago, YooJeong said:

Because they are Korean artists. From Korea. As in, they are citizens of the country (I use citizens loosely because I would include immigrants and refugees who have lived there for a long time) and make music in Korea. So, it's Korean music. Similar to Korean food - there are lots of different dishes but they originated in Korea so it's considered Korean food. Music created and originated in Korea is Korean and the genre can vary within that. 

It's the "K" that matters. It's about geography not about genre. "Korean" isn't a genre. POP is a genre. K-Pop is Korean pop. K-Rock is Korean rock. 

If you want to interpret it differently, the K in K-Pop could be alluding to the language.So you can interpret K-Pop as Korean pop, or as Pop in Korean. 

Edit: this isn't Kpop either way. I just heard the song. They sing like 85% in English and a few sentences in Korean. This is a pop song mainly sang in English, created by a group from London. What about it is K-Pop? At least 60% of the song should be in Korean for this to even be a debate lol, even if you think it's just about the language. 

would you consider Amerie a K-POP artist since she's mixed with Korean?