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22 minutes ago, Free Sungmin said:

Where exactly were you going with this?

I was 1 week old when I found out how Mnet scammed the audiences with low quality performances and everyone should know it too

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3 minutes ago, EXOSUS said:

I was 1 week old when I found out how Mnet scammed the audiences with low quality performances and everyone should know it too

But you're comparing live performances vs lipsyncing to an autotuned recording though? Liu Xin at 23 vs. Somi at 15? Somi had prerecorded parts too, but how can you compare apples and oranges? I mean, Liu Xin is dripping with talents regardless, but that audition is so processed that it mostly only shows off the difference in cost and production value of the shows, less her unedited talent. To me raw auditions are better than edited ones. I like auditions in auditions shows that sound real, not those that sound like they're studio recordings, because in this case they are.

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I'm not watching Youth with You, but there were other trainees in PD101 and PD48 that received an A and also ranked high. Like Sejeong for example ranked 2, or Yoojung who, even though didn't receive an A initially, was the theme center. But I guess you're choosing Somi and Sakura since they were the most popular ones, right? Sakura's grade was really controversial though and I don't think it should be used as the standard.

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Nobody cares about this though? Those shows are popularity contests and that's all that matters. It's an idol industry. And in any case there are lots of actually talented singers on Produce like Heo Yunjin or Chowon that didn't make it -- again, cause no one was reallt checking for talent. Talent was just the bonus.

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9 hours ago, Free Sungmin said:

But you're comparing live performances vs lipsyncing to an autotuned recording though? Liu Xin at 23 vs. Somi at 15? Somi had prerecorded parts too, but how can you compare apples and oranges? I mean, Liu Xin is dripping with talents regardless, but that audition is so processed that it mostly only shows off the difference in cost and production value of the shows, less her unedited talent. To me raw auditions are better than edited ones. I like auditions in auditions shows that sound real, not those that sound like they're studio recordings, because in this case they are.

They could only edit when there was actual material at the beginning.

No amount of editing can make Somi and Sakura's singing above average.

Liu Xin excels either way, live or edited.

9 hours ago, _universo said:

I'm not watching Youth with You, but there were other trainees in PD101 and PD48 that received an A and also ranked high. Like Sejeong for example ranked 2, or Yoojung who, even though didn't receive an A initially, was the theme center. But I guess you're choosing Somi and Sakura since they were the most popular ones, right? Sakura's grade was really controversial though and I don't think it should be used as the standard.

I'm choosing those who were high ranked, got an A, and did the audition alone.

8 hours ago, SM's Kunta Kinte Silence said:

Nobody cares about this though? Those shows are popularity contests and that's all that matters. It's an idol industry. And in any case there are lots of actually talented singers on Produce like Heo Yunjin or Chowon that didn't make it -- again, cause no one was reallt checking for talent. Talent was just the bonus.

Well Youth with you clearly shows that you can be both entertaining/pretty AND talented, whereas for Kpop there is a thinking that "She's the visual so it's ok if she sucks at singing and dancing" and "He's so talented that it doesn't matter if he's not good looking". 

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21 hours ago, EXOSUS said:

They could only edit when there was actual material at the beginning.

No amount of editing can make Somi and Sakura's singing above average.

Liu Xin excels either way, live or edited.

I'm choosing those who were high ranked, got an A, and did the audition alone.

Well Youth with you clearly shows that you can be both entertaining/pretty AND talented, whereas for Kpop there is a thinking that "She's the visual so it's ok if she sucks at singing and dancing" and "He's so talented that it doesn't matter if he's not good looking". 

Um, this girl you posted really isn't my style visually and I honestly don't think she would have made it to the end of the Korean version. I also don't see anything special about her but you seem to really like her and well that's something good. 

Heo Yunjin to me although she sid not make it is far superior. 

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But both Sakura and Some were criticized for their Grade A....so it's not like the results were fully accepted anyway. 

Talented trainees like Sejeong, Chungha got As too....so....

If you mean people who made it far, got As, and auditioned alone, here are some talented ones from P101 (S1) and P48: Heo Chanmi, Kim Doah, Kim Chosen, Lee Haeun.

Also, a lot of debuted girls got As after re-evaluation, or got As during group auditions. Why only focus on individual auditions

Also we can talk about rank 1 girl in youth with you....

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7 hours ago, SM's Kunta Kinte Silence said:

Um, this girl you posted really isn't my style visually and I honestly don't think she would have made it to the end of the Korean version. I also don't see anything special about her but you seem to really like her and well that's something good. 

Heo Yunjin to me although she sid not make it is far superior. 

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Of course she wouldn't make it to the end of Korean version since everyone has to look feminine.

Liu Xin is a dancer so yes you can consider Heo Yunjin "superior".

She would be shut down in the Chinese version anyways since these girls don't put up with the begging for a revote act. 

5 hours ago, YooJeong said:

But both Sakura and Some were criticized for their Grade A....so it's not like the results were fully accepted anyway. 

Talented trainees like Sejeong, Chungha got As too....so....

If you mean people who made it far, got As, and auditioned alone, here are some talented ones from P101 (S1) and P48: Heo Chanmi, Kim Doah, Kim Chosen, Lee Haeun.

Also, a lot of debuted girls got As after re-evaluation, or got As during group auditions. Why only focus on individual auditions

Also we can talk about rank 1 girl in youth with you....

I just checked and Sakura and Hitomi actually got an A after the re-evaluation lol. Did they deserve to be in the same class as Chaeyeon?

I know Korean version has some gems, but class A in the Chinese version will never lower their standard like this. 

Initial auditions is where the trainees have time to prepare and present their strongest point to the audiences. Also, individual auditions is to judge whether you can fill the stage alone or have to rely on other people to cover your weakness.

You said people who made it far yet those you listed weren't even the top 20. but it's ok since it was rigged

The #1 girl in YWY is class D through and through. 

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On 5/4/2020 at 3:06 AM, EXOSUS said:

Of course she wouldn't make it to the end of Korean version since everyone has to look feminine.

Liu Xin is a dancer so yes you can consider Heo Yunjin "superior".

She would be shut down in the Chinese version anyways since these girls don't put up with the begging for a revote act. 

I just checked and Sakura and Hitomi actually got an A after the re-evaluation lol. Did they deserve to be in the same class as Chaeyeon?

I know Korean version has some gems, but class A in the Chinese version will never lower their standard like this. 

Initial auditions is where the trainees have time to prepare and present their strongest point to the audiences. Also, individual auditions is to judge whether you can fill the stage alone or have to rely on other people to cover your weakness.

You said people who made it far yet those you listed weren't even the top 20. but it's ok since it was rigged

The #1 girl in YWY is class D through and through. 

Hitomi is a good dancer and she has good live singing. Her re-evaluation type was quite good and deserved at least a B. Again, Sakura got the MNET treatment so any grade she received in p48 is fake. She is a good performer but as much as I love her, is a D-level in talent. 

I think that P48 season is a bad example since everything about it was rigged. Original P101 is best example where Some got a B in re-evaluation and girls like Yoojung, Yeunjung, Chungha, Sejeong, etc. all got grade A andw ere able to prove themselves. 

The overall talent in P48 was pretty low though

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