👑 Road to Kingdom Official Thread 👑

[Pivoine]

30 minutes ago, Trashie said:

Green the REAL TOO fan wew 

 

hmm first of all the ranking its somehow what I expected not too surprised, And the boyz really deserved first 

the elimination itself sucks whoever got eliminated but that's how it is ig

back to the next round

I kinda felt bad for TOOx Verivery duo since they both have experience gap with the others 

they really went for BTS which is imo a really good choice and idt they went too far from BTS concept itself? somehow at least

altho the performance got really good moments but overall it felt all over the place and kinda messy at times

there were already too many members so using backup dancers was a really bad idea imo they were not needed really, but then I really hate backup dancers in general so its a thing

ig they period of preparing 2 stages was really TIGHT so I wonder how things will go

 

PentagonxONF I felt they would be the strongest duo imo they both give same energy and vibes ig? if that makes sense but last week preview and todays intro with KTL ballad remix was REALLY bad idea imo. last week I was like oh no not balald KTL but I hopped it won't all be like that but after watching today ig IT is and I'm not really feeling it but who knows with the full perf 

At this point I'm not really sure how tbzxoneus will do kinda scared 

ANYWAYYYY the BOYZ OUTFIT for their solo stageeeee IS AMAZING i HAD TO SAY THAT  

I'm quite confident in ONEUS capability to cover GG's (or female soloist) song though. They are  not afraid of it (especially Hwanwoong, he's already covered Sunmi's Lalalay and his cover has even been noticed by Sunmi). I don't know about tbz though. I just hope they won't try to make "heroine" looks like too "masculine". I just hope they stay "true" to themselves and are not afraid to try different kind of dances.

An example for ONEUS (and this was predebut...)

 

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Pivoine

[Pivoine]

13 minutes ago, Trashie said:

I mean if you search The Boyz on Youtube they have dozens of GG covers. not only Kpop but even covered Billie Eillish and Ariana Grande 

if we talk about The Boyz they never made a GG group look more masculine so I am good for this part, like this

this cover went viral too 

rumors says its more theatrical performance like Musical so I guess it'd be chill but the 2 sec on preview everyone looked all over the place so I am ALWAYS SHOOK SHOOK

 

We'll see ! Let's hope they both have fun with the collab and are not too awkward with each others lol

I'm saying that because tbz has regularly the first place in RTK and I'm anticipating the backlash against ONEUS if they are not first again...some fans can be really...fanatic...

Hey I'm adding another video too ! I'm promoting my group lol (sorry)

 

 

 

[Pivoine]

21 minutes ago, Bel. said:

Ohh damn it's good! 

I was wondering who came up with the song choice cause Changmin (Q) also really like Sunmi and covered her dance many time. It seems like both groups have lot of similarities, I think it will be a good match and a good performance.

Ye if you see any deobis do that i'll personally fight them  

Thank you for checking the video

Yes, I'm anticipating their performance too. I wonder how it will go. Let's trust them, I guess ?

 

 

 

 

[Pivoine]

1 minute ago, Trashie said:

there're always fans like those and I choose to ignore them if they're not that loud I am sure majority aware that this is a 2 group performance not like oneus made the stage alone nor the boyz so they both equally responsible for results. anyhow all groups are good so it's tight but we pray they slay the stage I think they go well together

woong was always good at dancing I watched pd2 and I know how capable he is so I'm hyped wewew 

 

Fortunately, they are not many...but generally, when a fandom grows, they are more problematic fans (especially on twitter)...the price of celebrity !

But all of you seem very nice here

So thank you for your kind and positive attitude !

[Pivoine]

30 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

I know you shared it as good example, but here they are doing exact same thing you are afraid TBZ to do, they made Bad Boy very masculine, and honestly degraded quality of the song while changing the song bcs song's original dance is already perfect. Just keeping few key moves from original dance could have made whole cover perfect. 

I hope Oneus wont do something like this, i would be very disappointed if they do. 

Ah, I'm sorry you didn't like it as much as I like it (and I like it very very much lol). I guess everyone has their preference 

That's one of a reason I cannot do ranking between groups. I go with my feeling. So I can be really subjective too (and perhaps it is the same for you too ?)

[Pivoine]

1 minute ago, Trashie said:

ye exactly there's def no fillers in their perf and that what makes it more special... every move had their purpose

and btw even if the looking simple moves they do it needs alooot of self control and energy to pull them off nicely I'm so proud 

 

anwwwwwwww yess I cant wait for their shangrila perf and heroine aaaaaaaaaa I THINK shangrila in 2 weeks tho not next week ripp

I'm really curious about their Shangri-la cover too ! I was a  Starlight (I don't follow Vixx anymore nowadays and N is in the army ) so I wonder how it will go !

"Error"'s cover would be great too (my favorite song from Vixx) !!!!

[Pivoine]

Some analysis on Oneus'performance

- Dancers making the Infinite logo

- Flowers (blue/red) have a different meaning

 

One of the reasons I like to watch and -rewatch their performances, it is because of this lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pivoine]

5 hours ago, howaboutno said:

Verivery/TOO: Kind of messy. Sometimes less is more. They already have so many members to make use of and yet they still have dancers joining them. Did the Verivery leader start like 1 millisecond faster than the others at the beginning after emphasising the importance of being in sync? Or was it supposed to be that way? It kind of distracted me and he basically proved his own point. No hate on the guy though. Someone's got to step up and take charge when they're not performing up to par. Chihoon of TOO kind of stuck out as a sore thumb to me whenever he took front and centre. The lipsyncing was off and his charisma doesn't match up to the others. He looks too soft.

Pentagon/ONF: Purely based off the team combination only I would expect their performance to be the best. But the song arrangement was just boring and I didn't find the performance captivating at all. I was just waiting for it to end asap.

The Boyz/ONEUS: I'm let down because they had some good ideas during the preparation process but the performance felt somewhat disjointed at times. The song also sounded very Disney/tween drama like which just made it amateurish.

None of the collab performances really impressed me. I think everyone is just more invested in the group performances and saving the good ideas for that. I would be too tbh. My ranking would be VV&TOO > TBZ&ONEUS > PTG&ONF

ONEUS: Loved the song arrangement. I was shocked at Leedo's singing because his rapping in that collab performance wasn't the best...

TOO: I kind of liked and didn't like the arrangement at the same time. But all that aside they definitely incorporated their own young and hip vibe into it well. I think they made good use of the 360 stage. The transitions were very natural.

ONF: Another great performance from them. Can't help but laugh at that showtime because it reminds me of Jang Geunsuk. They aren't far behind The Boyz when it comes to the stages. The Boyz are just somewhat a little more grand but I think they could be neck and neck in the final.

ONF > ONEUS > TOO

For Oneus :

Yes, Leedo's voice is really different when he sings lol You wouldn't expect that with his low voice ! I agree about his rapping in their collab. I don't think it was his best.

I like also Seoho's voice in their "Be mine" performance. He's a good singer, very emotional too ! Some examples :

Or :

 

[Pivoine]

10 hours ago, Trashie said:

Hm so I have a controversial thoughts tbh

I do think collaboration points ratio looked so odd

like 5000 - 3000 - 1000

instead of taking ratios like they usually do and the points other places than 1st get
Like the ration normally differ only some hundreds numbers And with even abigger score scale of 10000 points

pentagon got 9k-ish points as second

and oneus took 8kish points as 2nd for second round

To look at rankings overall

tbz = 1 - 1 - 3 = 3rd place overall

ptg = 2 - 5 - 1 = 2nd place

onf = 3 - 3 - 1 = 1st place 

 

Ngl I do think mnet tried to do something here round 

Anw I said what I had to say

I am curious about the 2nd part ranks

because the 2k points between ranks on first half is really big to cover in a tight ratio for the 10k it might be as unfair to those who about to be eliminated as much as how much tbz lost in just half round ranks matter

Ok, I'm going to be a little critical here ....I'm saying this but perhaps I'm wrong in some parts of my comment because I've only seen some performances on youtube (with fancams, stories, etc.) and I've not watched entirely the show. So please correct me if, in the show, it is said more clearly ?

Frankly speaking, I don't understand how the ranking works, what are exactly the criteria etc. (singing, dancing, concept, stage presence ????) This is unclear ? Also I think they should have added a jury with independent professionnals judging their performances (choreographer, singer, producer, artist, etc.)....

Why a jury ? Because fans can be biaised and competitors too...So it is better to vary the rules (with competitor's vote, fan's vote and jury's vote).

Also, each of them should explain their evaluation....it is the least you can do otherwise it would create misunderstanding and backlash from fans, of course, and unnecessary fanwars....

Though that doesn't mean a jury cannot be "influenced" too but it seems to me fairer, especially when RTK is basically a survival show...(oh I hate the elimination's part....)

Since I'm a Oneus' stan Oneus ranked 6th this round but weren't they 2nd previously ? I don't understand (?????) and for sure, I don't trust Mnet...considering the screen time they give them and the fact Mamamoo wins Queendom previously....But I'm biaised so since I'm a fan...

I'll take what I can get but that's it....

I don't blame the groups but Mnet who made the rule (and the eliminations)...Even the 2nd round with online voting can be influenced by the screen time given for each group....

Also sometimes, it seems to me, "some" performances look like a "sportive competition" too much. I'm bothered by it. You can literally see they absolutely want to stay and are desperate to stay....However, it is my impression...I can be wrong too !

But I think a performance is not only a performance you have to win (and have a medal for it)....it is also a mean to express yourself....an art...that's why I value more performances which have a "heart" (because of the story, the poetic imagery, the emotions you can feel, the original choreography, the well-balanced acting, etc.).

However, in a way I understand the huge stress those BG are experiencing in this show...it must be difficult to think about art and emotions when basically you want to win (or stay) because you want to give your group more visibility in a saturated market...

 

Edited June 6, 2020 by Pivoine

[Pivoine]

Here an analysis of the collab tbz/oneus

I find it interesting ?

 

[Pivoine]

52 minutes ago, Trashie said:

I think you are confusing 2 rankings... round rankings and then accumulated points rank

the votes are 30% groups vote among themselves   70% fandoms (20 fan for each group)

                               First Round                          Second Round                       first half Third Round            Accumulated

ONF >                            3                                               3                                                    1                                          1

Pentagon>                    2                                               5                                                    1                                          2

The Boyz>                     1                                               1                                                    3                                          3

Verivery.>                      6                                               4                                                     2                                         4

TOO >                            4                                                6                                                     2                                         5

Oneus>                          7                                               2                                                     3                                          6

 

meanwhile I know they didn't put a clear criteria, But we're talking about Idol groups... which is all about performing having concept,  a good balance of Dancing and singing and most importantly Delivering... I do think it's mostly about delivering a story a message, as long as us as viewer get it and feel it we'd def like it 

and ofc a big part of it all depends on personal preferences because that's the whole kpop is about tbh 

for voting and fans idk tbh first ranking happened when the show was not aired yet and second ranking was when we only had 90 sec performance so idk if it influenced it much but it'll def for the Live final because as fans no matter how fair we want to be its noway no to be alittle biased

but the idea of  fans voting was balanced with the fact they just need to choose 3 performances they like instead of ranking the performances which  I find a lottt better than that 

I'd love to see a commentary judges it'd be very refreshing altho I won't trust mnet fully regardless of their way

but one thing I do agree with you alot is the screentime thing and it's kinda obv who mnet trying to push out of everyone tbh but ngl we have been knew something like this would happen anyyyywayyy 

so yeye 

huh it is still confusing for me lol. But oh well...I'll not expect anything from this show. If I compare, I largely prefer "Hit the stage" to RTK anyways. It was more fun and entertaining (but more dance-oriented though), without drama, with everyone enjoying themselves and a friendly competition. I still remember those two performances lol:  Yugyeom has such a passion for dancing and his crew was so fun to watch too ! I wish Mnet comes back to those kind of shows...

 

 

[Pivoine]

1 hour ago, choiyujins said:

I agree with most of the comments about the choreo, stage design, etc but I really don't the the clothing choices are that deep akdhfdsjk

Clothes are like a secret code

[Pivoine]

AAAh Shangri-La...My Starlight heart....Some parts of the choreo for Shangri-La's cover by tbz are very beautiful (their movements are very graceful and fluid, it is so wonderful to watch). I like it a lot. However, I have more mixed feelings about the arrangement they have made for the song : for instance, they include well-known classical music (like Moonlight Sonata by Beethoven), but it seems to me out of place in this kind of song and a little too easy. If they really want the classical approach, I think they could have chosen some less well-known classical pieces to give the song a more "fresher" approach. Because...Moonlight sonata...er...AGAIN !

Also, perhaps, some of you didn't know Shangri-La ?

Here, one of the most memorable Vixx's Shangri-La (N is a great dancer) :

 

And Oneus is not eliminated ! The show must be so stressful for them, always expecting to be eliminated, always saved by the audience (of those 20 fans per fandom who vote online if I remember correctly ?) lol. It is interesting to see how a ranking can change so much depending on the type of viewer. Another proof to not take seriously ranking....it is very subjective, in fact.

I'm going to wait for the whole songs from each group before commenting if I like it or not.

Sometimes teasers can sound good but you end up disappointed when you listen to the whole song (and the contrary can be true too).

 

 

[Pivoine]

59 minutes ago, Trashie said:

but they chose that piece for a very specific reason.... Moon is a consistent theme of their stages it was represented in all performances. it's like the main point

Well, I'll disagree on this point then.

This is a very current theme in many pieces of art, generally (and in a lot of mythology). But the problem is not the theme in itself (because many art pieces use common themes), but how it is treated.

Also many shows, advertising, songs use classical music because it is free from copyright.... lol it annoys me (like Shinhwa's use of Swan Lake in T.O.P.)...because they are making money by using music which is basically (almost) free for everyone...but it is not specific to them though : companies behind Kpop groups are not disinterested anyways....

However, at least, the producer or arranger (?) could have used less well-known pieces (since they don't want to pay too much copyright) : some pieces from Gabriel Fauré, Haydn, Saint-Saens, Schubert, Brahms (and many more) have used that theme...Not only Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata which is basically the most famous piano classical music piece...It is like using Star War's music (which is not free from copyright ) in another science-fiction movie ???? 

Some younger fans might not know those classical pieces but producers and arrangers behind know....and to use that kind of very famous pieces of music should tell you the consideration they have for the audience....They didn't even bother...

That's why I'm annoyed...and I'm thinking "Are you kidding me ?"

But it has nothing to do with tbz...I'm sure they are sweet and hardworking boys...just the people behind should have known better....

Unless those people are hardcore fans of THE Moonlight sonata and they want fans to share their passion for classical music. Oh yeah...

Or perhaps I'm too critical ?

On the other hand, it's true they don't have too much time to wrap up everything, so...but still...

 

 

[Pivoine]

6 hours ago, Shinki said:

Frankly speaking, I'm happy they won't be in Kingdom lol. At least, now, they can rest (well, I hope so!).