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Why aren't oneits supporting H&D?


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They keep pushing for the X1 unit/reboot, but H&D is literally the closest to a X1 unit that there is right now and they're not supporting them. They've only sold like 6-7k albums, didn't chart in any platform and have low views. I don't get it. It's obvious they weren't gonna sell like X1 because produce groups are a combination of 11-12 fandoms, but their sales should be higher than 6-7k.

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1 hour ago, Mees Madds said:

I was an Oneit but I find hard to be interested in them separately. I like both of them but I don't want to stan n groups and soloists. And I most definitely won't buy anything from MBK. 

There's no big secret here. People wanted to stan a group that came from a successful program and supported by a big company so they would have the guarantee that they would get good content to keep them entertained. They aren't getting that now after X1 was disbanded so they are moving on.

Like I said it's obvious that the individual members or their groups aren't gonna sell like they did in X1 because not even Kang Daniel sells more than Wanna One, but considering how vocal oneits were about "companies making a mistake" when Seungwoo came back to Victon or Cravity was announced, comparatively Victon and Cravity are doing much better than H&D that's actually the closest to an official X1 unit, so more than proving a point they're doing the opposite.

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20 minutes ago, blossoms said:

People are only interested in groups, particularly when it comes to male idols - 90% of the time the successful idols are from groups

In this case it's more like they're only interested in the X1/produce brand. I find weird when people that were fans of a particular member in X1 say they can't stan that member individually or in his new group (ie: Seungwoo stans, or Minhee/Hyeongjun stans) when they're literally the same people idk.

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8 minutes ago, eternal glow said:

I feel like a lot of people support produce groups for the guaranteed success factor and bragging rights so when the success is not guaranteed, they just gravitate to one or two of their favourite members or some completely lose interest. It's kind of a chore following every single one of the members especially since there are so many of them so gotta pick and choose which to focus on. I followed the Produce X season casually and I must admit I had no idea which 'unit' from X1 this was. Turns out it's MBK's Hangyul and Dohyon so MBK is probably the problem.

It's basically this, especially the first part. Because I've legit seen people saying they biased X member when they were in the group but they aren't interested in following him in another group that's not X1, which it's weird to me, because one thing is not following every single member and another not even following your favorite member(s) just because they aren't under the X1/produce brand anymore. I've seen that with many Minhee or Hyeongjun stans for example. They liked them as X1 members but not as Cravity members when they're still the same people.

As for the "unit", oneits are pushing for a reboot or a unit with the members that aren't in groups but I don't think that's even possible anymore because even Wooseok and Seungyoun have announced solo debuts so the closest they have to a X1 unit is currently H&D.

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41 minutes ago, juu said:

i mean, i loved x1, but in the end of course i will be more interested in the groups that my bias is in. i support them all, but that doesn't mean that i will have the time/money to actively support every solo project of each member lol. i guess it's similar for a lot of people (not only for x1, but other groups)

and as someone mentioned, fans def prefer groups to duos. if they had added some cute boys, im sure they would have gotten more interest from non-fans as well lol

THAT SAID; STREAM BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY A BOP AND THEY DESERVE THE BEST

 

And I agree with that. Produce groups sell so much because they're the combination of 11-12 individual fandoms, but I was mostly referring to those people who said that they wanted to prove the companies that they made a mistake, and attacked Seungwoo for going back to Victon or Minhee/Hyeongjun for debuting in Cravity. They're even attacking the rest of DSP trainees because they don't want Dongpyo to be with them. But now a lot of them that supposedly supported all the members and were craving for ANY X1 unit are barely supporting H&D. It's like they only want OT11 and under the X1 brand.

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31 minutes ago, Hopkinz said:

Produce fans only stan for bragging rights; they're pretty much the definition of success stans (not all but a significant amount).  I mean people are arguing that it is too hard to try and follow each member.  Okay, but there were One Its literally marching in the streets demanding justice for the members.  It was trending worldwide that we need to love and support all the members.  Turns out people really don't care. They like getting likes and retweets for talking about Produce's corruption and how the boys are so innocent and deserve a second chance, but they aren't giving them the second chance. 

IDK produce fans have a history of being fake.  Going back to season 1, all these massively successful groups quickly went back to middle tier or lower tier celebrities and it really didn't help their popularity.  The only exceptions are Nuest, Chungha, Kang Daniel and maybe Ab6ix.  Even Kang Daniel went from an unstoppable force to a decently successful solo artist.

EXACTLY. That's my main point. I know that people obviously have their faves and not everyone has the time/energy to support every single of the members but at least don't be fake and don't say you support all the members? Say you only care for your faves or for the produce brand. What's the point of trending H&D debut ww and say "look at the power of oneits", "look what companies missed", but they aside from that they don't stream the MV or buy the album? Even people that used to stan Seungwoo/Minhee/Hyeongjun in X1 say they don't like them in Victon/Cravity so they clearly only care for the produce brand for bragging rights indeed.

And you're right. Those are the only exception with Chungha being the only one with actual digital hits. Also the reason why NU'EST and AB6IX are the most successful of the post produce groups is because literally 4/5 of the group were top 10-20 in produce unlike groups like Gugudan, Weki Meki, DIA etc where only 1-2 members out of 7-9 were "relevant".

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54 minutes ago, BlackVelvet9 said:

considering how quickly one its dropped seungwoo hyeongjun and minhee and went hard with that ot8 agenda I expected H&D to do better than cravity tbh... especially since mbk was the only company actually vocal on the units :unsure:

same, especially considering how many oneits were like "let's show the companies the real power of oneits and the mistake the made" when H&D debut was announced.

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3 minutes ago, BlackVelvet9 said:

Now I'm curious about seungyoun and wooseok selling power now that they'll comeback/debut as solos

I think they'll do decently because their individual fanbases are bigger than Hangyul and Dohyon obviously but still, it's obvious many oneits don't really care for the members outside X1. With Cravity I think it's different because they were supported by the starshipz fandom since the beginning.

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2 hours ago, Oodles said:

X1 was short lived. Is the answer. 

If X1 stayed together and ended like wanna one did, the X1 members would've of had great solo/sub-units/group potential after the groups disbandment but it didn't end like that. As to why the lack of sales, hype and charting. Their fandom is scattered and wasn't established from the beginning. Even Cravity is doing supbar. 

Basically the  X1 members will have a hard time now and struggle even more than when they were on Produce. 

 

Anyways Soul is freakin great and Hangyul is just ugh. 

 

How is Cravity doing subpar tho? They're the only 2020 rookie group that has charted on melon and other digital sites and they've already sold nearly 60k, which it's more than what many senior groups sell after years of career. They're also the most followed rookie in twitter and instagram, have good spotify numbers in just a few days as well. It's not great compared to most post-W1 groups/artists, but W1 was also loads more popular than X1 to begin with, and not only because they lasted longer but because the impact of season 2 was huge while season 4 was probably the least hyped and most controversial season.

But I still expected H&D to have a bit of more support tbh.

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3 hours ago, Oodles said:

Let's not act like they debuted in the top 10 or 20s they debuted #90 on Melon and low on the other 3 charts you'd think they have a bit more support coming off of X1 and snagging 60k, right? 

They couldn't even last an hour. It's also the same position Monsta X placed when they debuted.  Their achievements look good to you because there hasn't been any competition as of yet nor a big rookie that debuted as of now. 

That's pretty unrealistic for majority of groups unless they're Big 3 (girl groups mostly) or produce (winning) groups. Last year only 4 groups managed to debut top 100 (ITZY, TxT, AB6IX, Rocket Punch) and CIX did it at #100 with their first comeback. Out all these groups TxT and AB6IX debuted top 30 (#29) and only ITZY debuted top 10 but they're literally a JYP girl group. This year is even worse because nobody aside from Cravity have charted at all so I don't see how that's "subpar". Coming from X1 and having a decent fandom doesn't necessarily mean the GP is gonna care when to begin with X1 was never that popular with the GP like IOI, W1 or even Iz*one are. Groups like ATEEZ or Stray Kids are considered successful without charting at all after 2 years so I don't see how a 10 days old rookie is "subpar" when at least they charted.

Also they charted for more than 1 hour actually.

Debuted #90 and fell but then rose to #96 at 12am and #95 at 1am, so it was actually 3 hours. Groups that have been around for 4-5 years like Monsta X, Astro, Pentagon or SF9 have done worse than this with majority of their title tracks, so I still fail to see how this is bad at all for a rookie boygroup with a song far from public friendly.

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