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since got7 first released teenager I thought they should go with this kind of concept. yes, we already know they're amazing dancers and they can go from dark sexy angst concept to fluffy cute concept, but we don't need it to be "proven" again and again. jype had the chance to make songs like come on, page and even thursday (although I LOVE you calling my name) got7's title but they keep choosing the hard core typical boy group songs. if they want so much to make sure people know how amazing of performers got7 are, just make special performances videos like they do with some b-sides. the songs I mentioned are much more easy to listen to, its' performances are sooooo fun to watch and it truly is got7's style. if jype give a song like this the promo they gave look and lullaby, I'm sure they'd gain a lot more attention in Korea and many international kpop fans would change their minds about got7.

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Like user above me said^ for me issue with got7 is not the fact their choices in titles. Their titles in general lack identity, so much so it is impossible for me to hear a got7 song and not think of another group. It sounds a bit mean, but to me they truly dont have something signature in titles in general. 

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18 minutes ago, Golden SLY said:

not a fan of got7's comebacks since eclipse, though i love the songs and of course the boys, there's always something that i feel is lacking: identity

 

13 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

Like user above me said^ for me issue with got7 is not the fact their choices in titles. Their titles in general lack identity, so much so it is impossible for me to hear a got7 song and not think of another group. It sounds a bit mean, but to me they truly dont have something signature in titles in general. 

 

Interesting you guys say that because they've said one of their solid points in more or less words is their diversity and variety with music. I think GOT7 knows who they are and what they want, JYPE just needs to trust them more. 

NBTM is still a jam though. 

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Eh, like I get why people have such a bone to pick with JYPE especially when it comes to title tracks because some of those b-sides are certainly worthy of promotion. But I can't say I've hated what they've chosen recently. It'd be nice if they could spotlight that music more. 

23 minutes ago, Golden SLY said:

not a fan of got7's comebacks since eclipse, though i love the songs and of course the boys, there's always something that i feel is lacking: identity

I politely disagree with the last part because I feel like their more recent albums has helped really shape their musical identity, especially with the combination of the fact the boys tend to be very hands on now and the fact they have branched out a bit more with other producers.

 

This isn't necessarily directed at you but I feel like people sometimes can't let go of this stigma they have towards their music. While I get that there's certainly a certain type of concept and sound a lot of boy groups tend to gravitate towards, I feel like if some of their songs to other bgs, people would eat it up more.

 

 

 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Golden SLY said:

not a fan of got7's comebacks since eclipse, though i love the songs and of course the boys, there's always something that i feel is lacking: identity

you summarized it. and the thing is: jb himself was able to find the "got7 style" and yet the company insist in not using it as title. I seriously don't understand how such compaby was able to become a big3 

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I disagree. GOT7 has always had strong R&B influence music from their debut and now as they’ve gotten older are moving towards having a more grown vibe.

Even JB as a songwriter and producer his music is R&B influence. 
 

They’ve found their musical identity a long time ago, at this point is if fans are willing to accept it or put them in a box?

 

Do I want JYPE the company or J.Y Park to trust them a little more? Yes, but if the end result is me liking the music then idk plus GOT7 still are hands on a lot as well in other aspects. JYPE let’s them branch out and work with a lot of producers outside of JYPE.

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19 minutes ago, stell said:

 

 

Interesting you guys say that because they've said one of their solid points in more or less words is their diversity and variety with music. I think GOT7 knows who they are and what they want, JYPE just needs to trust them more. 

NBTM is still a jam though. 

Diversity/variety and identity is different. Imagine EXO, i can recognize their songs whether its most club song or ballad. They have identity. Got7 have variety, but dont have identity. 

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4 minutes ago, Moon Jellyfish said:

Eh, like I get why people have such a bone to pick with JYPE especially when it comes to title tracks because some of those b-sides are certainly worthy of promotion. But I can't say I've hated what they've chosen recently. It'd be nice if they could spotlight that music more. 

I politely disagree with the last part because I feel like their more recent albums has helped really shape their musical identity, especially with the combination of the fact the boys tend to be very hands on now and the fact they have branched out a bit more with other producers.

 

This isn't necessarily directed at you but I feel like people sometimes can't let go of this stigma they have towards their music. While I get that there's certainly a certain type of concept and sound a lot of boy groups tend to gravitate towards, I feel like if some of their songs to other bgs, people would eat it up more.

 

 

 

 

 

can't disagree. but my point is title tracks and how some of them really aren't helping, specially in korea. eclipse for ex was awful and the promotion was as bad. ycmn was amazing  (typical dark sexy concept but such a different sound) just the promotion was bad. the good international reception of ycmn brought them a lot of attention and we're seeing amazing international results for nbtm (which isn't a bad song at all). but the thing is, promotions are still bad and the song doesn't sound like something general public in korea would attend to. however songs like the ones I mentioned were very welcomed by international fans and sound like something korea would listen to. you can see it by crash and burn (typical bg) vs thursday (got7 style) numbers for ex. if they will keep messing promotions at least give got7 songs that are more palatable

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7 minutes ago, CandyCane23049 said:

I disagree. GOT7 has always had strong R&B influence music from their debut and now as they’ve gotten older are moving towards having a more grown vibe.

Even JB as a songwriter and producer his music is R&B influence. 
 

They’ve found their musical identity a long time ago, at this point is if fans are willing to accept it or put them in a box?

 

Do I want JYPE the company or J.Y Park to trust them a little more? Yes, but if the end result is me liking the music then idk plus GOT7 still are hands on a lot as well in other aspects. JYPE let’s them branch out and work with a lot of producers outside of JYPE.

I'm talking about title tracks not b-sides...

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4 minutes ago, geez said:

can't disagree. but my point is title tracks and how some of them really aren't helping, specially in korea. eclipse for ex was awful and the promotion was as bad. ycmn was amazing  (typical dark sexy concept but such a different sound) just the promotion was bad. the good international reception of ycmn brought them a lot of attention and we're seeing amazing international results for nbtm (which isn't a bad song at all). but the thing is, promotions are still bad and the song doesn't sound like something general public in korea would attend to. however songs like the ones I mentioned were very welcomed by international fans and sound like something korea would listen to. you can see it by crash and burn (typical bg) vs thursday (got7 style) numbers for ex. if they will keep messing promotions at least give got7 songs that are more palatable

If promotions are the same with the songs they released even if they did those other songs, we don’t know if Korea would’ve accepted it still.  Korea is just that fickle to me that I don’t know what they want sometimes. 
 

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1 minute ago, geez said:

can't disagree. but my point is title tracks and how some of them really aren't helping, specially in korea. eclipse for ex was awful and the promotion was as bad. ycmn was amazing  (typical dark sexy concept but such a different sound) just the promotion was bad. the good international reception of ycmn brought them a lot of attention and we're seeing amazing international results for nbtm (which isn't a bad song at all). but the thing is, promotions are still bad and the song doesn't sound like something general public in korea would attend to. however songs like the ones I mentioned were very welcomed by international fans and sound like something korea would listen to. you can see it by crash and burn (typical bg) vs thursday (got7 style) numbers for ex. if they will keep messing promotions at least give got7 songs that are more palatable

I actually liked Eclipse lol. Not necessarily my fave GOT7 title track, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as people say it is (I personally think some Ahgases are bit more harsh towards the song because of Page). But I do agree that promos for that album were just terrible.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with the overall point you're making either per say. Though I've still enjoyed a lot of the title tracks that the boys weren't as involved in, I do think it would be great if we got to see them have more of a role and say in their selections. And improvements in promotions in general would be wonderful. But I still feel like even if those happen, there's still going to be people upset if it's not going to reach the expectations or high standards they have. 

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24 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

Diversity/variety and identity is different. Imagine EXO, i can recognize their songs whether its most club song or ballad. They have identity. Got7 have variety, but dont have identity. 

And I'm telling you their musical variance is part of their identity. And it's not like their sound is completely random, go listen to their albums for yourself if you want to genuinely understand them more. 

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12 minutes ago, CandyCane23049 said:

If promotions are the same with the songs they released even if they did those other songs, we don’t know if Korea would’ve accepted it still.  Korea is just that fickle to me that I don’t know what they want sometimes. 
 

thats true but I'd them to try at least once. I think chances are good because of the responses they've gotten in end year shows too

 

13 minutes ago, Moon Jellyfish said:

I actually liked Eclipse lol. Not necessarily my fave GOT7 title track, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as people say it is (I personally think some Ahgases are bit more harsh towards the song because of Page). But I do agree that promos for that album were just terrible.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with the overall point you're making either per say. Though I've still enjoyed a lot of the title tracks that the boys weren't as involved in, I do think it would be great if we got to see them have more of a role and say in their selections. And improvements in promotions in general would be wonderful. But I still feel like even if those happen, there's still going to be people upset if it's not going to reach the expectations or high standards they have. 

you've got a point lol there's also the fact that jype changed the original song so much

I'm not against titles that the members didn't get to make but I'm tired of the kind of titles jype keep insisting to give them. again, ycmn was such a good song and totally different of what they've been releasing, also different from what kpop bgs had been doing. it was truly a fresh air. I'd like them to do more of this, a change when everybody is doing the same, be it with their own songs or given ones. if they can keep the "got7 feeling", better

and yeah, we dont expect good feedback from everyone, not everyone have good taste

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30 minutes ago, stell said:

And I'm telling you their musical variance is part of their identity. And it's not like their sound is completely random, go listen to their albums for yourself if you want to genuinely understand them more. 

I do lol i listen every album that comes out of known groups if i can

Hell i even listened weird concert album thingy of blackpink

Im saying the identity you are talking about is completely different from what im talking about. Variance on its own cannot be identity. To me, identity is about showing yourself in yhe song, even when people dont know its your song. Thats not something i feel listening got7 songs

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1 hour ago, lighterxx said:

I do lol i listen every album that comes out of known groups if i can

Hell i even listened weird concert album thingy of blackpink

Im saying the identity you are talking about is completely different from what im talking about. Variance on its own cannot be identity. To me, identity is about showing yourself in yhe song, even when people dont know its your song. Thats not something i feel listening got7 songs

And they've said so as much that that's what makes up a part of who they are as a group? Their identity? Just because it's different from how you define it, doesn't mean that's not there. I'd recommend you listen to their albums more thoroughly again. Ironically I've seen people comment after watching/listening to various Got7 material and being able to distinguished what makes Got7...GOT7. 

I feel like until they hit a success with one of their promoted songs, people are going to spin this subject over again. And It's not the lack of identity (your words not mine) that's the problem here. Really, the average listener doesn't care about that. 

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YCMN was a masterpiece tbh. I think they actually fit that dark/sultry and mature concept but the title track's choice wasn't the best this time. I don't even remember how the song sounded like.

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35 minutes ago, stell said:

And they've said so as much that that's what makes up a part of who they are as a group? Their identity? Just because it's different from how you define it, doesn't mean that's not there. I'd recommend you listen to their albums more thoroughly again. Ironically I've seen people comment after watching/listening to various Got7 material and being able to distinguished what made Got7...GOT7. 

I feel like until they hit a success with one of their promoted songs, people are going to spin this subject over again. And It's not the lack of identity (your words not mine) that's the problem here. Really, the average listener doesn't care about that. 

Probably. Its something i care alot lol, bcs i listen so many groups rip

Its not that their songs are bad or anyhing, tho i admit i do dislike when they use autotune ,they had a bside, i forgot its name atm rip, but it was so good till autotune for me lmao, i have irrational hate towards any autotune. Minus that song, they are very good 🤣🤣 i guess i just want something i can notice them from their style, but it only works with consisting producer or consisting same style, or sm groups sometimes

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For me the thing that really disappointed me is that after the success of LOOK 

I thought JYP would be more confident in GOT7 and their music.

I remember how happy the boys were when LOOK was charting so high because it was a song made by JB.

I'm not saying they dislike their other title tracks in fact they also like/praise them like Hard Carry, If You Do, Fly etc.

(maybe except Eclipse because the members were pretty shady with how that song turned out lol) 

I don't understand why JYPE insists that something like "TEENAGER" is not GOT7's "colour" when GOT7 doesn't even have a definite "colour"

which is not a bad thing itself.

It's just who GOT7 are as a group

People can say that their charm is how diverse their sound is and other people instead can say that they're not cohesive with their music.

Both arguments are valid and make sense to me.

If it's the former then you can become a fan or if it's the latter then I guess they're just not for you.

Both are okay.

And right now (or at least last year) It's pretty clear that the boys "want" a different sound for their title tracks

(something like TEENAGER, PAGE, COME ON)

because they know the members love this type of music and they know that many (if not the majority) of fans also like this sound.

GOT7 are already in their 6th/7th year as a group and at this point in their career I think the boys themselves aren't trying to have a hit song in Korea.

I think they just want to make music they want whether it's something like Hard Carry, You Are or Teenager or whatever they're feeling at the moment.

so why not just give them the freedom to make music the way they want it to right? 

I guess that's where the frustration of the members and the fans come from

They already have a big stable fandom that can support them for the rest of their lives and keep the cash flowing in JYP

And I think that should be enough for JYPE to trust them and just let them do whatever type of music they want.

 

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1 hour ago, lighterxx said:

To me, identity is about showing yourself in yhe song, even when people dont know its your song. Thats not something i feel listening got7 songs

Funny you should say that about G7, as that's how I've always felt about SVT and the reason why I could never fully stan them. And I've also listened to several SVT B sides, as I make a point to check out full albums because of the type of content I make on YT. I know they've done a lot of sounds, from fresh to dark, from smooth to funky to earthy to ambient. I find them hellaciously talented in both dance and vocals, and while their songs are usually pleasant/enjoyable, that's kind of it for me. Not very distinct or memorable, sounds exactly like what's already out there (no plagiarism drag intended). I often feel the same way about SF9 and ASTRO too, despite appreciating them and acknowledging their skills.

So in conclusion, I think it's easy to say about most groups that aren't our biases. That's exactly why they're not our biases. Me being an Ahgase, I find G7's R&B identity very distinct, and their voices even more so. They definitely had to grow into it, as their early years were completely dictated by JYP/JYPE and they wore a lot of hats to try to appeal to different tastes, sometimes to their detriment. But IMO I don't know how one could listen to every album from 7 for 7 to Dye and not see the thread of commonality in sound and style. It's clear as day to me and 7 million other Ahgases. I'm curious what you'd describe SVT's identity to be, that would make a non-fan go, Oh yeah, that's definitely SVT. 

Sticking to the topic now, I'm confused what the beef is -- OP,  you really liked YCMN but NBTM is too [something] for you?  What's the something? And why do you think a certain kind of promotion would have any impact on whether or not GP would listen, because quite frankly, they won't. Unless G7 unexpectedly blow up from going viral or something equally luck/chance-based, they will always be a fanbase-driven group. And that's not an insult--it's a reassurance. 

Off topic but YES, Eclipse gets way too much hate from the fandom just because of Page. If you genuinely don't like Eclipse, fine, I myself don't love how Frankenstein it sounds because 751249902 producers worked on it, but I feel like most of the hate it gets is just bad faith venting. I feel like one of those desperate multis always trying to bring the peace, but this time between songs -- PRAISE 👏 YOUR 👏 FAVORITE 👏B SIDE 👏 WITHOUT 👏 HATING 👏 ON 👏 THE 👏 TITLE. kekekeke

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41 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

Probably. Its something i care alot lol, bcs i listen so many groups rip

Its not that their songs are bad or anyhing, tho i admit i do dislike when they use autotune ,they had a bside, i forgot its name atm rip, but it was so good till autotune for me lmao, i have irrational hate towards any autotune. Minus that song, they are very good 🤣🤣 i guess i just want something i can notice them from their style, but it only works with consisting producer or consisting same style, or sm groups sometimes

Also, funny you should mention producers when from the Flight Log trilogy they've worked with the same producers a lot until Spinning Top with only JB staying with his crew still. They only branched out to other producers for Spinning Top album and now with JB sticking with his crew for the song Crazy.

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16 minutes ago, SJK said:

Funny you should say that about G7, as that's how I've always felt about SVT and the reason why I could never fully stan them. And I've also listened to several SVT B sides, as I make a point to check out full albums because of the type of content I make on YT. I know they've done a lot of sounds, from fresh to dark, from smooth to funky to earthy to ambient. I find them hellaciously talented in both dance and vocals, and while their songs are usually pleasant/enjoyable, that's kind of it for me. Not very distinct or memorable, sounds exactly like what's already out there (no plagiarism drag intended). I often feel the same way about SF9 and ASTRO too, despite appreciating them and acknowledging their skills.

So in conclusion, I think it's easy to say about most groups that aren't our biases. That's exactly why they're not our biases. Me being an Ahgase, I find G7's R&B identity very distinct, and their voices even more so. They definitely had to grow into it, as their early years were completely dictated by JYP/JYPE and they wore a lot of hats to try to appeal to different tastes, sometimes to their detriment. But IMO I don't know how one could listen to every album from 7 for 7 to Dye and not see the thread of commonality in sound and style. It's clear as day to me and 7 million other Ahgases. I'm curious what you'd describe SVT's identity to be, that would make a non-fan go, Oh yeah, that's definitely SVT. 

??? We are commenting on got7 atm why are you dragging my bias group? I was especially careful to not be biased too. Thats why i cannot comment on anything, people come at me and start saying 'svt this svt that' the second i do, sigh. If you disagree with me discuss it normally, instead of trying to bring my bias group to topic. Make a topic next time about svt if you want, see if i would mention got7 there. 

In spoiler I talk about svts identity for me, feel free to read. 

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Svts most specific identity in songs are definitely use of almost accapellaish triple high notes they like using (rare for bgs use it) and lyrics in general, they are always ALWAYS consolidation, whether to themselves or fans, or anything. Even if its a song I never heard before, i recognize it from extreme falsetto use and triple highnotes. Thats also why i cannot like hh unit songs because it is missing the identity i loved to start with. 

 

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8 minutes ago, CandyCane23049 said:

Also, funny you should mention producers when from the Flight Log trilogy they've worked with the same producers a lot until Spinning Top with only JB staying with his crew still. They only branched out to other producers for Spinning Top album and now with JB sticking with his crew for the song Crazy.

We are literally talking about all albums here, why should i only talk about Flight Log.

And I have to say i do dislike JYPs songs. I usually like earattack tho i liked Q.

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2 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

??? We are commenting on got7 atm why are you dragging my bias group? I was especially careful to not be biased too. Thats why i cannot comment on anything, people come at me and start saying 'svt this svt that' the second i do, sigh. If you disagree with me discuss it normally, instead of trying to bring my bias group to topic. Make a topic next time about svt if you want, see if i would mention got7 there. 

In spoiler I talk about svts identity for me, feel free to read. 

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Svts most specific identity in songs are definitely use of almost accapellaish triple high notes they like using (rare for bgs use it) and lyrics in general, they are always ALWAYS consolidation, whether to themselves or fans, or anything. Even if its a song I never heard before, i recognize it from extreme falsetto use and triple highnotes. Thats also why i cannot like hh unit songs because it is missing the identity i loved to start with. 

 

I was not dragging SVT, or any other bg I mentioned in my first paragraph; I clearly said they're hellaciously talented and skilled in vocals and dancing. The fact that someone can feel about your bias exactly the way you feel about theirs =/= hate. I was using the analogy to illustrate your presented argument about identity, or lack thereof. I wanted to make the point that fans, due to the very fact that they're fans, always comfortably know their bias's identity even when others don't. It wasn't any deeper than that.

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